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Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Trilogy.

IMO, this is over designed car.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/new-cars/2021-06/reveale.../

The current one, like ORB's has always looked bang on to me, and more classy than an Eyoke. Where has simple good design gone to? Mazda seem to get it right, although the 3's C-pillar is on the slab/van thickness side.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - _ORB_

I actually liked the front of the hyundai more, when I was choosing, (the sportage is fine) but the price difference was a LOT more. I got £4500 dealer and Kia contribution on the sportage, not available on the hyundai, so not in budget.

I liked the front of the 2010-2015 sportage.

The new sportage is a bit too "fussy" for me.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - badbusdriver

My theory about current car design is that, because potential buyers entire lives are spent staring at smartphones/tablets/computers etc, new cars have to look ridiculous with exaggerated features (extra large grill, highly 'stylised' led lights and enormous wheels are a couple of examples) just to attract the attention of these potential buyers who are very easily distracted and have a very short attention span.

I feel the same way about most current TV programmes with their exessive amounts of violence and/or sex. The programme makers feel they have to shock, just to get folk to watch. I watched (and enjoyed) an episode of "Boon" the other day and I found myself wondering what my two sons (19 and 24) would make of it. I reckoned they'd be bored senseless after a few minutes!.

But getting back on track, while the new Sportage is not really my cup of tea, it certainly doesn't look as bad (offensive?) as some new cars.

Edited by badbusdriver on 12/06/2021 at 10:48

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Terry W

I'm not sure whether all the swoops, curves, creases, chrome etc are to improve rigidity (up to a point) or create what Kia regard as a winning design.

UK views of what constitutes "classy", "premium", "exclusive" or "attractive" are likely to be different to other parts of the world in which I assume the same design is sold.

Personally I find the balanced "less is more" approach typically used by Alfa to be a far more refined "quality" message. They seem to rely on fundamentally sound design to largely eliminate visual clutter.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - groaver

I think it's due to the law of diminishing returns.

If most cars are based on a two box design on stilts, there is only so much you can do to make it look 'special' and different to the other boxes.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Lee Power

Looks like someone has just stuck a Kia front end on to a Renault SUV.

It doesn't look anything special, its just another suv.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - movilogo

It looks hideous to me.

However, manufactures must have done their research and confirmed that their target market like this design. Which means we fall in a segment who are no longer target segment for car makers.

Wonder why no car maker sees this as an opportunity and design something which look like old fashioned?

Surely a new car looked like 1990s or 2000s design would look more exclusive and elegant compared to all modern cars? It will be far easier to stand out from the crowd in such cars.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - alan1302

However, manufactures must have done their research and confirmed that their target market like this design. Which means we fall in a segment who are no longer target segment for car makers.

Wonder why no car maker sees this as an opportunity and design something which look like old fashioned?

I expect Kia want to sell more than 20 cars a year to a very niche market! LOL

This particular car to me does not look good or bad - just seems quite bland with nothing distinctive.

I think Peugeot is producing a lot of good looking cars at the moment and that's with all the restrictions that designers have when making new vehicles.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Andrew-T

Wonder why no car maker sees this as an opportunity and design something which look like old fashioned?

You mean like a Beetle or a Mini ?

I have always wondered about SUVs - it's a chicken/egg question: was that new concept based on widespread market research suggesting that the public wanted it, or did a desperate manufacturer invent one and flog it hard ?

I have always preferred cars which satisfy both form and function. By about the 1980s most visual aspects of a car had been optimised with wind-tunnel testing etc, and we got simple elegant shapes like the 205 and the Fiesta. Now we get mostly tarted-up exaggerated versions of those which a nutty designer has tried to modify with parts from a Dan Dare spaceship.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Heidfirst

I'm fine with it apart from the front lights, grill etc. below the bonnet line. Why does it appear to have 2 "nostrils"?

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - John F

Perhaps it's a trick of the light, but it looks as though someone's just reversed into the driver's door and stoved the side of the car in.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Trilogy.

I'm fine with it apart from the front lights, grill etc. below the bonnet line. Why does it appear to have 2 "nostrils"?

Tiger.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Heidfirst

I am fine with the Tiger nose as used on the current Ceed, Stinger, Sportage etc. but not with this - the nostrils look extraneous rather than part of the whole.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Engineer Andy

IMO, this is over designed car.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/news/new-cars/2021-06/reveale.../

The current one, like ORB's has always looked bang on to me, and more classy than an Eyoke. Where has simple good design gone to? Mazda seem to get it right, although the 3's C-pillar is on the slab/van thickness side.

Indeed, and KIA were going so well of late, easily beating stablemate (parent company) Hyundai on the styling front, and to me coming a good second to Mazda on the syling front from East Asia.

This is a big step back, inside and out, at least in terms of styling. Something that I'd expect from the American makes, or Lexus, who are renouned for over doing it on the styling when simplicity works 99% of the time.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Sofa Spud

The last but one version of the Sportage was a styling masterpiece. I suppose I mean the pre-facelift version of the outgoing model, before it got the so-called "tiger grille".

With recent downward trend in car styling, with the "split seam" look, at least there's not much point in worrying about tight and even shut-lines any more!

I can just imagine going to collect one of these current bad-styling-day cars from the garage after minor bodywork repair and saying: "That bit you filled ... It wasn't a dent! It was designed like that. Mind you, it does look better like that!"

Edited by Sofa Spud on 12/06/2021 at 16:04

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - edlithgow

Its due to a global 2-way marketing deal with the Transformers franchise.

Every 10.000 car has an egg hidden in the ECM software that turns it into an autonomous intergalactic battle robot from Alpha Centauri, which you wont be able to get parts for, either.

I thought everyone knew that.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Engineer Andy

Its due to a global 2-way marketing deal with the Transformers franchise.

Every 10.000 car has an egg hidden in the ECM software that turns it into an autonomous intergalactic battle robot from Alpha Centauri, which you wont be able to get parts for, either.

I thought everyone knew that.

Given how that franchise has (pardon the pun) crashed and burned (the last two Transformers films probably not even making a profit after marketing costs were added in, given that a large percentage of the box office was from the Chinese market, that keeps 80% of receipts, not around 40% for the rest of the world [average]), it's not a good idea to pair up with a failure like that, whether you're joking or not.

Kia's parent company Hyundai didn't have much success either when making a Kona 'special' (which was hardly the type of car Tony Stark would drive) that was an 'Iron Man' themed car, especially when he only drove Audis as part of their sponsorship deal.

Not a good time to be partnering with the film industry, and especially 'superhero' type films, as they appear to be well past their peak in terms of popularity, as well as now being infected by wokeness.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - alan1302

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Not a good time to be partnering with the film industry, and especially 'superhero' type films, as they appear to be well past their peak in terms of popularity, as well as now being infected by wokeness.

Superhero films and tv is where the money is at the moment - Disney + has built there streaming platform on it and new series like Loki are a bi deal. You seem to be delusional if you think partnering with popular film/tv like that is a bad thing.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Engineer Andy

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Not a good time to be partnering with the film industry, and especially 'superhero' type films, as they appear to be well past their peak in terms of popularity, as well as now being infected by wokeness.

Superhero films and tv is where the money is at the moment - Disney + has built there streaming platform on it and new series like Loki are a bi deal. You seem to be delusional if you think partnering with popular film/tv like that is a bad thing.

Perhaps you haven't heard but the reviews (from genuine non-shill reviewers) and viewing figures for them have been terrible. Not one Disney film over the last year made a profit, and some lost well over $100M. Superhero and action/thriller films cost a fortune to make, so they have to be shown at mass audience cinema to stand a chance in makiing any money at all.

That many are now poorly written, generic, woke and often badly acted means that they can effectively say adios to any profits.

The day of such films ended, well, with Avengers: Endgame. The pandemic (if it continues as it is at the moment) will end the blockbuster film, at least for the next few years. Car firms should not be spending loads of money subsidising film-makers' losses and getting precious little in return.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - edlithgow

Its due to a global 2-way marketing deal with the Transformers franchise.

Every 10.000 car has an egg hidden in the ECM software that turns it into an autonomous intergalactic battle robot from Alpha Centauri, which you wont be able to get parts for, either.

I thought everyone knew that.

Given how that franchise has (pardon the pun) crashed and burned (the last two Transformers films probably not even making a profit after marketing costs were added in, given that a large percentage of the box office was from the Chinese market, that keeps 80% of receipts, not around 40% for the rest of the world [average]), it's not a good idea to pair up with a failure like that.

Its not usually a good idea to have much to do with China

I thought by now everyone knew that too

Edited by edlithgow on 14/06/2021 at 22:49

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Engineer Andy

Its due to a global 2-way marketing deal with the Transformers franchise.

Every 10.000 car has an egg hidden in the ECM software that turns it into an autonomous intergalactic battle robot from Alpha Centauri, which you wont be able to get parts for, either.

I thought everyone knew that.

Given how that franchise has (pardon the pun) crashed and burned (the last two Transformers films probably not even making a profit after marketing costs were added in, given that a large percentage of the box office was from the Chinese market, that keeps 80% of receipts, not around 40% for the rest of the world [average]), it's not a good idea to pair up with a failure like that.

Its not usually a good idea to have much to do with China

I thought by now everyone knew that too

Especially as their car makers (as much of their industry does) has a bad habit of literally churning out low-rent copies of other nations/firms' products for their domestic market.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - NowWheels

I agree with Trology. Too much design going on, and the result is hideous.

I blame CAD, which makes it far to easy for designers to play with weird shapes.

And I also blame Chris Bangle, who started he whole mangled-shape trip. In hindsight, his designs look less extreme than what followed, but he was the man who kicked off all the hollows-and-creases.

Recent Lexus models are pretty manged too. Toyota has also caught some of the disease; e.g, the latest Yaris has its interior space compromised by over-design.

Recent Honda look they were assembled with random body parts from unrelate vehicles.

Kia and Hyundai were some of the last bastions of relatively sane design. But it seems that's over.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Manatee

I can't but agree. Trying too hard, but at least trying and no worse than other manufacturer's attempts at origami which seems to be the latest thing.

I certainly didn't buy my Outlander for its looks either. It's so bad, it's good!

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - SkodaIan

It doesn't look over-designed to me, more just of the kind of out of proportion mess that we're more used to see from Ssyangong rather than Kia. Over designed cars like the Honda Civic are still generally in proportion and even the BMW huge grills line up with the lines on the rest of the car.

I wonder whether its part of the plan to push people into the dedicated EVs, by making the petrol cars less desirable. The Kia EV6 is a genuinely good looking modern design in my view. That's an example where they've pulled out all the stops to do something different to the current trend that works, so perhaps it's more a case that the best designers were working on that, so weren't available for the Sportage.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - sammy1

If the powers to be are serious about climate change then surely the whole design of brick shaped cars and SUVs needs looking at. In the not too distant past the low drag co-efficient vehicle was what car makers were striving for to Improve MPG. The shape of some EVs is already heading this way as demonstrated by Teslas. I do not rate them personally on design as they look too bland but obviously doing a job on low drag. The only other design I can see on some EVs is more streamlined wheels.

It still holds that if you put your foot down in an EV you reduce range and use more energy so why are manufactures still making cars that will do just this with performance times of 0-60 in 3 seconds it seems a bit hypocritical to me.

While some are striving to maybe do our bit you have one of the richest men on the planet wanting to blast paying tourist to the edge of space in his rockets Just does not seem right.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - alan1302

It still holds that if you put your foot down in an EV you reduce range and use more energy so why are manufactures still making cars that will do just this with performance times of 0-60 in 3 seconds it seems a bit hypocritical to me.

They want to sell cars, fast cars help sales - therefore they make them fast. They make EV's as that is what the future demands, not because they want to.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Engineer Andy

It still holds that if you put your foot down in an EV you reduce range and use more energy so why are manufactures still making cars that will do just this with performance times of 0-60 in 3 seconds it seems a bit hypocritical to me.

They want to sell cars, fast cars help sales - therefore they make them fast. They make EV's as that is what the future demands, not because they want to.

I wasn't aware that 'the future' was a physical thing or person with wants and needs. :-)

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - alan1302

It still holds that if you put your foot down in an EV you reduce range and use more energy so why are manufactures still making cars that will do just this with performance times of 0-60 in 3 seconds it seems a bit hypocritical to me.

They want to sell cars, fast cars help sales - therefore they make them fast. They make EV's as that is what the future demands, not because they want to.

I wasn't aware that 'the future' was a physical thing or person with wants and needs. :-)

You've learnt something today then! ;-)

As you know the UK governemnt is banning the sale of ICE cars as other countries have and will start doing - so the car brands have to build electrci and other alternative fuelled vehicles.

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Sofa Spud

It still holds that if you put your foot down in an EV you reduce range and use more energy so why are manufactures still making cars that will do just this with performance times of 0-60 in 3 seconds it seems a bit hypocritical to me.

They want to sell cars, fast cars help sales - therefore they make them fast. They make EV's as that is what the future demands, not because they want to.

That's why I think the Tesla Model S has been so successful. They aimed for the executive saloon market, where owners mostly want a swift, quiet car and automatic gearbox. OK, to be pedantic, the Tesla has a single gear that is permanently engaged, not an auto box, but the effect is the same.

Before Tesla came along, most people, including myself, believed that the starting point for the move to EVs would be small cars and vans for local use. But we were wrong!

Kia Sportage - Another over designed car. Where's good design? - Engineer Andy

It still holds that if you put your foot down in an EV you reduce range and use more energy so why are manufactures still making cars that will do just this with performance times of 0-60 in 3 seconds it seems a bit hypocritical to me.

They want to sell cars, fast cars help sales - therefore they make them fast. They make EV's as that is what the future demands, not because they want to.

That's why I think the Tesla Model S has been so successful. They aimed for the executive saloon market, where owners mostly want a swift, quiet car and automatic gearbox. OK, to be pedantic, the Tesla has a single gear that is permanently engaged, not an auto box, but the effect is the same.

Before Tesla came along, most people, including myself, believed that the starting point for the move to EVs would be small cars and vans for local use. But we were wrong!

Not everyone. Given how expensive they have been, and how quickly they accelerate, I wasn't surprised at why they have been the plaything of the well-heeled and the virtue-signaller greenie brigade for a number of years.

 

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