Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Joe tuzzer

Hello, my fiesta has been making this noise ever since I bought it back in 2019. Its a rattly noise that occurs between idle and 2000rpm. It goes up with rpm and sounds like it's definitely coming from the engine. If I rev the car up you can't hear it but if I keep the revs steady at that rpm range you can hear the rattle/ticking. It's worse when driving past parked cars and built up areas as I can hear it bouncing of which makes it sound louder.

The engine is running really well and pulls fine with no problem except for this noise. The car has been serviced by me every 6 months since owning it and I don't rag it around other than a few b Road blasts when the oil is up too temperature.

Any ideas what this noise could be? Is it something I should be worried about?

Cheers for any help, I'm quite worried about it.

Here is a video of the noise youtu.be/rldLRLP2_R8

It seems to be a bit louder in person than on video

Edited by Joe tuzzer on 05/04/2021 at 11:21

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - skidpan

It really needs a trained ear to listen, diagnosis form a video is pointless.

A tap that increases with revs is normally a valve clearance issue. Pretty sure the ones on the 1.6 Fiesta are done with shims and are very time consuming to sort.

It can also a be a fuel injector some of them get a bit noisy with age and are more noticeable when cold (they have to work harder with fuel enrichment. But I seem to remember the Fiesta ones are the disc type and not the pintle type that make this noise.

I suggest you visit a Ford specialist.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Joe tuzzer

Hello, cheers for the reply. If it was something too do with the shims could I just leave them be as it's been doing it since I got the car and the engine runs fine?

Edited by Joe tuzzer on 06/04/2021 at 10:48

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - craig-pd130

As Skidpan mentioned, the Yamaha-developed 1.6 engine requires camshaft removal to make adjustments.

As a general rule, the valve clearances on engines with bucket & shim adjustment reduce over time, because the valve seats in the cylinder head gradually wear. Ultimately this leads to the engine taking longer to start, and reduced performance because the valves eventually stop closing properly.

However, the tapping could also be from a worn cam bearing or perhaps a worn cam lobe & bucket top.

You could get a price from a trusted independent garage for checking / adjusting the clearances, then weigh up what the car's worth to you. If you like it and intend to keep it, and the job is not too costly, I'd be tempted to get it done. If you're not that bothered and / or the job is expensive, then leave it.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Joe tuzzer

Hello, thank you for the reply. I'm tempted too just leave it as the engine seems to run good and starts first time no problem. I intend in keeping the car for atleast a mother 2 years but I only do around 6000 miles a year so the mileage won't really go up much. Will it be really bad if I just leave it or will it be alright? I'm more tempted too just leave it

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - craig-pd130

Will it be really bad if I just leave it or will it be alright? I'm more tempted too just leave it

It certainly doesn't sound excessively noisy etc in the video. Worst case, it might begin to lose a bit of power and be harder to start.

But if it's running well at the moment and you're only doing 6K miles a year, I think you'd be fine leaving it and saving the money for consumables like tyres and brake discs / pads etc.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - John F

Sounds fine to me. If it works, don't mend it. You should have heard the old OHV engine in my son's Peugeot 309 before I fettled it. You could get a florin (sorry, 10p) between some of the rockers and valve stems. Imagine nuts and bolts in a Kenwood mixer.....

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - skidpan

As Skidpan mentioned, the Yamaha-developed 1.6 engine requires camshaft removal to make adjustments.

Not sure about that. Never done one but on the 1.8 and 2.0 litre Ford Zetecs used on the late Mk 1 Mondeo's and all Mk 1 Focus models there is a special tool that allows you to remove the shims without removing the camshafts. Its very time consuming, measure the clearances of all 16 tappets, remove the shims, calculate what shims are required to give the correct clearance, re-fit the shims and then check the clearances again hoping its within the limits quoted.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - craig-pd130

Not sure about that. Never done one but on the 1.8 and 2.0 litre Ford Zetecs used on the late Mk 1 Mondeo's and all Mk 1 Focus models there is a special tool that allows you to remove the shims without removing the camshafts. Its very time consuming, measure the clearances of all 16 tappets, remove the shims, calculate what shims are required to give the correct clearance, re-fit the shims and then check the clearances again hoping its within the limits quoted.

Unfortunately, cam removal is necessary on the Yamaha/Ford 1.6 motor. Possibly because of Yamaha's motorcycle engine development experience: the majority of DOHC bike engines from the mid-80s onward have shim-under-bucket adjustment.

On a tangent, we had two 1.8 Mondeo Mk1s (a '93 and a '95) with the alloy cam covers and both had hydraulic tappets. Wonder why Ford changed to conventional bucket & shim for the later 'black top' Zetec engines?

Even more of a tangent: my daughter's Aygo's valve clearances are adjusted not by changing shims, but by changing the bucket. The buckets come in a range of different, precisely machined base thicknesses, so if the clearances are just under the specified limit, you install a bucket with a 2 thou' thicker base.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Bolt

You should have heard the old OHV engine

the Ford OHV engines sound worse than that by a long way and they drove fine, sometimes correcting the clearances on those made them run rough, so unless it has to be done I would leave it, imo.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Joe tuzzer

Thank you for all of the replies. I was just worried because doing a quick Google search was saying that if I leave the adjustment it will cause serious damage and all of this stuff but my car has been like that for atleast a year and it runs fine. I don't want too have too spend loads of money too get it done when there isn't a need too and the engine will still run without doing it.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Bolt

Thank you for all of the replies. I was just worried because doing a quick Google search was saying that if I leave the adjustment it will cause serious damage and all of this stuff but my car has been like that for atleast a year and it runs fine. I don't want too have too spend loads of money too get it done when there isn't a need too and the engine will still run without doing it.

Just make sure the oil and filter are regularly changed, some people leave these too long before changing.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Joe tuzzer

I do a service every 6 months myself. I know its overkill but for how much it costs too do it I may aswell.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Xileno

What mileage is it on? I have the same engine in a Focus and it's as quiet as a mouse at idle (83000 miles), especially when warmed up.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Joe tuzzer

My car is on 54000 miles. At idle when it's warm it's really quiet but it's when you drive past parked cars or walls you can hear the ticking at low rpms

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - skidpan

Unfortunately, cam removal is necessary on the Yamaha/Ford 1.6 motor. Possibly because of Yamaha's motorcycle engine development experience: the majority of DOHC bike engines from the mid-80s onward have shim-under-bucket adjustment.

Just checked in the manual and for the Yamaha Zetec shim removal is possible with Ford Tool 303-563, the same tool used on the 1.8 and 2.0 Black top Zetecs.

On a tangent, we had two 1.8 Mondeo Mk1s (a '93 and a '95) with the alloy cam covers and both had hydraulic tappets. Wonder why Ford changed to conventional bucket & shim for the later 'black top' Zetec engines?

I used a couple of the earlier Silvertop Zetecs with the hydraulic tappets in the Caterham on the track and road with a rally cams and did not have an issue even using 7500 rpm. Made changing cams a simple 1 hour job instead of a days work setting up shims. Now have a Black Top Focus 2.0 Zetec in the car and since its not used on the track any longer it has standard cams.

When I changed to the later engine I spoke to a Zetec specialist who agreed that for road cars and sensibly tuned track cars hydraulics were fine but as always there are limits. His race cams used solid lifters of a larger diameter which required extensive head work before fitting, not cheap.

There seemed to be 2 opinions as to why Ford changed to solids, which is true no idea, probably a combination of both. By the mid 90's the Silvertop was the only "modern" Ford UK petrol engine using hydraulic tappets. The Yamaha Zetec and V6 Duratec used solid lifters and the i4 engine already on the drawing board used from 2001 in the Mondeo and 2005 in the Focus (Mazda design) also used solid lifters thus the Sivertop was the odd one out. More likely was emissions, hydraulics place limits on cam lobe shapes and on factory engines the opening phase of the solid lifter engines is more aggressive and overall lift greater probably as part as the need to keep emissions down. Its all guess work.

A totally standard 2 litre Silvertop on throttle bodies, aftermarket ECU and a nice exhaust gives about 165 bhp when set up. A totally standard Focus Blacktop with the same ancillaries gives about 175 bhp when set up. Ford quoted virtually the same figure for both engines but its clear that the Blacktop was being strangled by the extra emissions kit. The blacktop has a stronger midrange.

Edited by skidpan on 07/04/2021 at 09:49

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Galaxy

The 2.0L Zetec Black Top engine on my previous Mondeo did just over 200,000 miles. I never had the tappet clearances checked and/or adjusted and it ran just fine.

Unless the engine is being rebuilt after a major overhaul I've never heard of this work being done.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - skidpan

The 2.0L Zetec Black Top engine on my previous Mondeo did just over 200,000 miles. I never had the tappet clearances checked and/or adjusted and it ran just fine.

Unless the engine is being rebuilt after a major overhaul I've never heard of this work being done.

Every 8 years or 100,000 miles is the official interval but if they are quiet its fair to ask why on earth would you even bother to check them. On the other hand if the clearances close up due to the valve seat wearing away they would not get noisy and eventually you would start to loose compression and performance.

Ford fiesta 1.6 petrol 2007 - Engine tapping noise - Joe tuzzer

Will this eventually happen too my engine. I don't k ow how long it has been ticking like that on my car but its done it the whole time I have owned it which is around 18 months. I change the oil regularly and really look after my car. I was just worried that this is a serious problem and needs sorting but everyone seems to say just leave it so that has put my mind at rest