BMW - Rod Bearings - Lrac

Why is it there is loads of information available showing rod bearing replacement yet at the same time the main bearings are ignored as if they don't exist? I would never ignore the mains without at least taking the accessable caps off for a look.

I do not own a BMW and I can appreciate how much extra work this makes. Is this the reason the mains get ignored?

BMW - Rod Bearings - focussed

Having been inside more engines than I care to remember, both professionally and my own, main bearings do not, as a general rule, have such a hard life as conrod big end bearings. Big ends are usually narrower than mains to keep the reciprocating weight down so consequently the loading is higher.

Unless of course the engine has suffered abuse, lack of oil pressure, wrong oil grade, oil not changed regularly, overheated oil, slack bore/piston clearance or bad design on the first place as in some Renault units which have a habit of the main shells turning in the block and cap.

BMW - Rod Bearings - skidpan

Spares are more difficult to get these days simply because they are less likely to be required. Back in the 60's it was common to replace bearings under 50,000 miles, I stripped and Mondeo 2 litre that had done well over 100,000 miles and they were perfect. Oils, materials and manufacturing methods/tolerances have all improved immeasurably.

But if you visit the catalogues of the specialist manufacturers you will find the parts listed that manufacturers cannot be bothered with due to such low volume sales.

BMW - Rod Bearings - Lrac

I do agree with you 100% but I am of the opinion that BMW M series engines are manufactured with tighter tolerances and on these engines big end shells are regarded as a service item from 60,000 miles upwards. I tend to think of them as almost a race engine that is being used as a daily driver with the addition of 1 or 2 turbo's to help cook the oil.

BMW - Rod Bearings - skidpan

I do agree with you 100% but I am of the opinion that BMW M series engines are manufactured with tighter tolerances and on these engines big end shells are regarded as a service item from 60,000 miles upwards. I tend to think of them as almost a race engine that is being used as a daily driver with the addition of 1 or 2 turbo's to help cook the oil.

BMW M engines will not need this type of maintenance unless neglected and thrashed unmercifully.

For your info race engines are actually built to slightly looser tolerances to avoid the bedding in process road engines benefit from, 500 miles of "drive normally with no full throttle" is not an option on race day is it.

Contractor friend of mine had a M5 with the N/A V8 and after 4 years and 80,000 miles of "enthusiastic" use it was passed down to his wife as her daily drive and he continued to use it for fun on the weekend (his replacement was a Merc diesel which was no fun apparently).

They kept it for another 4 years before selling it to a BMW M brand specialist and had no troubles at all, think it had done into the 150,000 mile bracket by then.

BMW - Rod Bearings - edlithgow

Again with the "tolerances"" thing.

Tolerance reflects precision, or the allowable (tolerable) variation in the dimensions.

Yáll are apparently using it to mean ""clearance". Many people do, but that is not what it means.

Stop it..

Its seems quite likely race engines have wider clearances (perhaps to reduce frictional losses) but it does not seem very likely they are deliberately made less accurately.

BMW - Rod Bearings - skidpan

Its seems quite likely race engines have wider clearances (perhaps to reduce frictional losses) but it does not seem very likely they are deliberately made less accurately.

Indeed the clearances are slightly greater not only to reduce frictional losses but to speed up the bedding in process, same applies to the bores. They will be worn out earlier but its irrelevant since race engines are rebuilt far more frequently, well before the wear becomes an issue.

BMW - Rod Bearings - Lrac

Oh well thats Youtube for you. Totlly littered with videos showing no existent promlems with rod bearings. Silly me I believed they were genuine. Thank you for enlightening me.

I appreciate its clearly not a race engine just attempting to differentiate between a run of the mill shopping car engine. I oviously over shot the mark.

So its a fact that big end shell "clearance / tolerance" on a race engine is actully greater than on a run of the mill shopping car. and this allows the engine to rev higher.That also comes as a great surprise to me..

Can't see a problem using tolerance. When its new the shells are within tolerance when they are worn they are out of tolerance. I simply stated that these engineswere built to tighter tolerances..

Oh sorry just realised clearance comments were not aimed at me.

Edited by Lrac on 06/04/2021 at 08:39

BMW - Rod Bearings - Lrac

Typing without glasses so sorry for previous spelling errors.

Clearance v tolerance. So can I say I have adjusted my valve clearances to be within the manufactures tolerance ?

BMW - Rod Bearings - edlithgow

Typing without glasses so sorry for previous spelling errors.

Clearance v tolerance. So can I say I have adjusted my valve clearances to be within the manufactures tolerance ?

You just did.

And I think that would be correct use of the two terms in a single short, illustrative sentence.

Perhaps you should consider a career in teaching.

(er Its "manufacturers" not "manufactures").

Tsk! I always have to go and spoil it.

BMW - Rod Bearings - galileo

Typing without glasses so sorry for previous spelling errors.

Clearance v tolerance. So can I say I have adjusted my valve clearances to be within the manufactures tolerance ?

You just did.

And I think that would be correct use of the two terms in a single short, illustrative sentence.

Perhaps you should consider a career in teaching.

(er Its "manufacturers" not "manufactures").

Tsk! I always have to go and spoil it.

Ed, you remind me of some of the slightly eccentric teachers I had in my Sixth Form days about 1960. They were all very knowledgeable, among their number were former paratroopers, commandos and bomber navigators, they brought a dry and sometimes black sense of humour to our education.

Sadly the present teaching profession here seems to have been corrupted by 'wokery' and extreme unions.

BMW - Rod Bearings - edlithgow

Sadly the present teaching profession here seems to have been corrupted by 'wokery' and extreme unions.

Dunno about "wokery" but re extreme unions, fat chance would be a fine thing in Taiwan.