Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Many thanks to all of you who took the time to give your comments and advice to me in my search for a small car for my young daughter to drive.

AFter all the homework, I took Mr H out shopping today and a purchase has been secured, to both my satisfaction and that of Mr H and daughter.

All that remains is to take delivery (1/9/03) and for her to successfully pass her test. At present, she is floating on air and quite beside herself!

(I know I'm being a tease now, not saying what it is, but dinner's ready and I have to leave you)

;)
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - sean
I hope you got a lovely reliable Fiat, Hootie.

If so, you'll be a regular here and we'll all have lots to write about.

Just take a look in the technical forum here.

Funny thing is, most comments there are not praiseworthy, but asking how to fix their cars.

They must just be unlucky though.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - clariman
I hope you got a lovely reliable Fiat, Hootie.
If so, you'll be a regular here and we'll all have
lots to write about.
Just take a look in the technical forum here.
Funny thing is, most comments there are not praiseworthy, but asking
how to fix their cars.
They must just be unlucky though.


Hmmm "lovely reliable Fiat". There's a word for such a statement. Sadly that word escapes me for the moment.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - clariman
Antonym ?
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - DavidHM
Oxymoron.

But a Fiat owner is NOT an oxymoron without the oxy, before anyone says anything.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - clariman
Oxymoron.


That's the one!
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - Mark (RLBS)
We've got the idea on your thoughts about Fiats, Sean; could you now back off a bit please.

Thanks.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - smokie
So that'll be the Yaris then?
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - eMBe {P}
hootie, you are a naughty girl. ;-)

For your own good, now I hope you won't abuse the hospitality of the all the helpers on this site by keeping them suspended too long.

Or else, I will tell the school playground joke about difference between a bad marksmen and a constipated owl. Its a real hoot.

Only joking. ;-)

I hope your daughter has many miles of pleasant safe driving in her new car. Best of luck in her test, although I am confident that she won't need luck - with your perfectly structured approach to buying a car, the same approach will result in a first time pass for her.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - Hugo {P}
I bet you after all this she's bought a Lada!

H
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Go on then H - how much? ;)
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Ooooh yes, I am a naughty girl.....I didn't get where I am ...... blah blah blah!!!!

;)

Would you miss me then Sean, now that we've met? or are you hoping for a long and entertaining acquaintance?

eMBe - not even going to let her put in for her test yet and she's had about 16 lessons. She thinks it's a bit of a race with some of her mates, but I reckon that you might as well keep learning and have a better chance passing first time. I'll let you know what happens there then, but she's off to Portugal for a while on Tuesday, so sun'll stop play for a little while.

Tell you what... so as to avoid the forfeit of the dreaded playground joke (don't sound like I know it) I'll tell you tomorrow - and when I know you better I'll try and explain how I came by my nick (not a RL nick, just used for internet anonymity)

Talk about keeping you in suspense ...LOL

Anyone opened a book????
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - DavidHM
Kia Pride, definitely.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
You been drinking David? :-D

Although .............. there is an agent locally for Kia and they have a lovely shade of lilac on their metallic choices.

Do you know, that would have swung it, if I'd only seen it earlier.


;)
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - HF
My extraordinarily helpful comment for tonight is that, all of a sudden, no thread would seem quite complete unless Sean managed to get there to slag off Fiats!! ;)

Feel an HF waffle coming on so I'd best go.

Night thread. maybe night BR, but cannot promise - sorry ;)
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - Observer
Oh, for goodness sake let us know soon; this must be about the most researched car purchase ever, and the outcome should be promulgated for the public good!

Best regards
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Gosh Observer you must be a really decisive person. I've taken longer to decide what to book for a family holiday, when I even knew what resort we wanted! Let alone choose between second hand and brand new cars with so much choice on the market, and so little knowledge of the products.

It only took from last Sunday afternoon to yesterday lunchtime.

The original budget got blown out of the water and on 1st September we will be taking delivery of a brand new silver Yaris T3.

Mr H is well satisfied with his deal which took all of about 20 minutes of entering the second main dealer's showroom we visited yesterday - thanks for all your help in the BR he only had to visit two dealers in the quest to part with the £££'s.
(big difference in attitudes there - big difference in price too)

Princess is floating on cloud 9.

And I have peace of mind that no stone was left unturned, no question left unanswered.

If she wants to look as stylish as she would have done in the Fiat Punto Active Sporting, then I guess she'll just have to get some designer shades and a new handbag!

In the meantime if anyone needs to know anything from the Punto, Charade, Corsa, Polo, Lupo, Honda, Micra or Yaris brochures, let me know quick before I chuck 'em.

Cheers to all interested parties. Happy Sunday.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - Observer
"Gosh Observer you must be a really decisive person."

Not at all; impulsive on occasion. But what I really had in mind was the breadth of advice available on this decision, compared with the fallible notions of so many in showrooms.

Anyway, I'd hoped it would be a Yaris; my wife had only Toyotas over many years, and no problems at all; but I felt that we lacked enough direct experience of other things to offer advice on this occasion.

Must now resume under cook and chief bottlewasher duties.

Cheers!

Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - Andrew-T
Wouldn't argue about your choice, hootie. But a little worried about buying brand-new instead of lightly-used. Is it daughter's first car?
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
I know - the answer to your question is yes, she's not yet passed her test either. To clarify, we have stipulated that the car is a car for her to have the use of, as opposed to being *her* car - i.e. ownership is ours.

The choice of brand new rested with Mr H, and is not what I would have done personally, I had to bow to his preference in this instance.

He was determined to buy locally in the end, and preferred from a garage - local prices for second hand were particularly buoyant, and first garage seemed to be doing their sums with a silly calculator.

He thinks he's had a good deal now, so he's happy, and more than happy that he feels he has peace of mind (as much as you can have) in what she'll ultimately be driving around in.

I am insisting on more and more professional lessons before agreeing to supervise learner driving (delivery in September gives us more time too) and after her test she will be doing Pass Plus.

Generally speaking she's not a reckless personality anyway.....but we all know the statistics about young drivers.
At least we feel we've more than played our part in her welfare and safety, she's just one very, very, lucky girl!

I'm lucky too, cos I have an assistant just like Observer, currently on pot duty ;) (I'm meant to be looking for insurance quotes) Oooops!
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - SteveH42
May have missed thi in the thread, but dare I press you as to how much? I'm considering a T3 and would be interested to know what they are going for elsewhere. My only problem may be that I'd be tempted to go for an MMT one which may make getting a discount harder.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Steve I haven't said, cos I really don't want to know if anyone could've got EXACTLY the same thing cheaper.

We are in the south - and preferred to buy locally if possible, being able to return to the same main dealer for after sales.

The Tunbridge Wells dealer would not budge below £8,450 (metallic T3 with alloys + locking wheel nuts) - that's brand new for 1st Sept. with 12 months (low) tax and the roadside assistance etc. (subject to terms Toyota are doing a free year's insurance on brand new too)

He would be losing money to go any lower (I nearly wept) instead we walked.

Just the other side of Sevenoaks, the dealer (having been told we wanted a 'good deal' started at £8,150.

I'll be back in a minute when I've got the papers to tell you more....
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - SteveH42
Fair enough! Not sure now much the alloys would add, but as the base price of the T3 + Metallic is £8500, the first dealer didn't seem that interested in your business. The roadside assistance and stuff is standard on all Toyotas BTW, and seems like a very good deal to carry on.

If you'd prefer to tell me off-board how much you paid, you could mail me, otherwise, a rough figure would be good enough. (i.e. <£8k)
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Sorry Steve had to go earlier due to spouse's hunger pains.

Looked for your addy on profile, but nothing available, so I have to 'go public' :-D

JUST DON'T ANYONE TELL ME I WAS ROBBED!

Down here Toyota price list gives £8246.05 as base price + £300 (some say £274.50) for metallic.

Not sure of alloy pricing exactly - we are getting something standard but with locking wheel nuts, and are paying £7,850.

Heard on Top Gear that although discounts as such were not 'outed' - Toyota have big stocks to shift.

Hope this helps?

(first dealer wanted £7,795 for a metallic Colour Collection which is same spec but not such nice upholstery, not remote c/l and had been pre-registed in April or May with all that entails. They seemed keen enough for new business, just not keen enough on price to get it - perhaps they like finance customers better?)

Mr H is happy anyway - I'd only thought of spending £4-5k for The Princess. I hope she looks after us in our old age!!!!
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - SteveH42
You're not going to get a Yaris much less than you paid - TBH, about £700 off list isn't bad at all. I think some of the brokers HJ has listed might have saved you an extra couple of hundred, but there is the hassle of buying from one of them.

I think the list on the Toyota website is a straight £8200 with £300 for the paint, but no price for alloys. At one point there was no chance of a discount on the Yaris such was its popularity and lack of availability. Not sure if building them in France rather than Japan increase the available import quota any though. (This was the reason for lack of discounts - demand was much greater than supply)

I think your Princess will have to keep an eye on the thing though as I suspect you'll start using it to nip around town soon enough as they are really well suited and pleasant to drive.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - Clanger
I am astonished that anyone would buy a car for their child to use, especially when they haven't passed their test. Both Mrs H and I saved up for our first cars and probably appreciate them more than if we were just handed the keys to a vehicle.

There's no way I would dip into the pension fund to buy a car for my lot. Anyway it's a costly precendent to set when there are 4 children ...

Still, each to his/her own.
H.

Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - HF
Hawkeye,

I have to agree with you 100%. To me, the thought that my parents would have spent a huge amount on a brand new car woul dhave been unacceptable to me, especially as they were/are not well off. My first car was a £600 Astra that I paid for myself. I am not for a minute suggesting that if you can afford it, you should not buy your off-spring a safe, reliable car. But I know what I would rather a young, inexperienced driver pranged. And it ain't a Yaris.... ;-)

Cheers

Rob
"I'm very intelligent really, just got good at hiding it."
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - Rob the Bus {P}
Erm....baaa, baaa, baaaa

That's me being sheepish.

Ok, I admit it - I am a doofus. Many many apologies for not taking better care over my log-in. I can (almost) guarantee that it won't happen again.

I will now go and bang my head against a brick wall.

Cheers

(It really is) Rob
"Bucket o'lard"
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
The way the pension fund's looking the Yaris'll be worth more, even by that time!

Have loast shed loads more than the car's costing already!!!!
Now those funds really *were* a stupid buy.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
loast= lost - I know I corrected that typo! :(
Must be more tired than I thought!!!

Incidentally, am going to post this elsewhere also, but ... it's a thought

Have managed to get an insurance quote for daughter as policy holder, with me as registered owner and keeper (cos she doesn't get to keep the car) and with Mr H and I as named drivers for £1000.65 - considering that a lot of people we know have teenagers who are paying double that for insurance, that's a grand towards the cost of the car already!
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - smokie
Fully comp? Not bad...
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Fully comp yeah - new car, can't risk anything else.

Does not bad = good then?
(quote came down from £1025 something by adding Mr H too)
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - waterboy
Hootie!

Don't worry, you have done the right thing. We bought a new car for our daughter (a Suzuki SC100, that's giving us away a bit) and were happy to know she would not be breaking dowm in unfortunate places or at unfortunate times, and had decent brakes and handling for the time. It gave years of service until written off (tears!) while still in good condition, but little valued by the insurers, after a no-fault accident.

I used to try for a shot in it!
Tomo as was!
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Hi Waterboy - nah I'm not worried. One of the things that I specifically said when I was asking about small cars, is that neither Mr H nor I know the first thing of what to look for to get a second hand gem, he didn't want the hassle either of selling on in a year or so (his choice) add the overwhelming priority of her personal safety (whether driving or breaking down. We think like you) - the fact that we don't know what we are doing with our own cars in the next 10 months or so (so may want a decent second car ourselves) and also that we have daughter number 2 (15) coming up in 2 or 3 years - we thought this would be a good investment for what *we* need.

I'm quite happy to drive the Yaris for a while if we either sell mine, or he loses his company car (if that happens then we will def sell mine and buy a main family car for the two of us to use, and just keep the Yaris in the family) If she leaves home in 2004 to go to a far flung Uni, then I will certainly be inheriting it, as she'll only get the use of during the holidays.


Steve: like I said we were pleased enough. Everything's pricey down in the south east, hard to get any bargains, and even though I did try the brokers, nothing was just exactly the same, and in Mr H's opinion the bit extra was well spent (see Natasha's Daddy's 'Help Needed' thread)
Let us know if you buy?
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - CM
I am astonished that anyone would buy a car for their
child to use, especially when they haven't passed their test. Both
Mrs H and I saved up for our first cars and
probably appreciate them more than if we were just handed the
keys to a vehicle.
There's no way I would dip into the pension fund to
buy a car for my lot. Anyway it's a costly precendent
to set when there are 4 children ...
Still, each to his/her own.
H.


I'm not and totally understand why parents might want to buy a car for their children. What would you prefer - your kid driving around all hours in some clapped up rust bucket that should have been condemned or something a little safer? If they can afford I am sure that you would agree that the latter is better. To me, spending a few thousand that ultimately might save your kids life is a small price to pay. As for having four kids..........!
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Can I just add a particularly personal note?

a) where we live is very rural, we definitely didnt't want any chance of her breaking down, rescue cover or not, so we wanted to minimise the chances of that happening (hence choice of car)
and
b) although it *does* seem quite extravagant I agree, the "Princess" is actually very appreciative of her circumstances (95% of the time) but is looking forward to the first car she actually OWNS by her own efforts, which I am sure will be equally exciting for her. She's not a freeloading, take it for granted kind of kid, and we'd rather see her safe now than leave her the value of the car less 40% tax in our estate (hopefully many years off, when it'll be worth zilch)
Appearances can be Deceptive
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - Clanger
Understood, and good luck. My circumstances are different; on a bus route, children have mobiles and I have time on my hands to rescue them in case of breakdown, and am also a half-decent amateur mechanic. As for crashing a modern car or a banger ... I've no doubt the driver would be safer in an accident with a modern car, but in some circumstances would be less likely to get into trouble in a car bought with their own dosh.

Let us know how you get on when you ask for the keys back ...
H.

Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Let us know how you get on when you ask for
the keys back ...
H



H - the law has already been laid down, one set of keys remain in my possession, the other hangs up in the cupboard AT ALL TIMES when not in use.


(errrr......I'll let you know though!) ;)
H






"Appearances can be Deceptive"
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - SteveH42
What would you prefer - your
kid driving around all hours in some clapped up rust bucket
that should have been condemned or something a little safer?


While it is of course up to those spending the cash, I must admit I do find it hard to fathom spending £8k on a new Yaris when you can get a 3 year old one for about half that. It'll still last you 4 or 5 years no trouble but won't be as much of a loss if dinged, scraped or stolen. And for the amount of miles it'll be convering (by the sounds of it) you'd likely be better off using taxis everywhere!

I don't think anyone on here was advocating getting a right shed, simply pointing out that an older car makes a bit of sense in these circumstances. Also, while it doesn't apply here as we are talking about a car for a woman and the police are slightly (and probably fairly) biassed, but someone of this age in a new car would be forever being stopped in some areas.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
LOLOL - I'm going to cause outrage now - and confess,
that if it was a son we were talking about, Mr H would not have
had his way! by hook or crook I'd have had to make an over rule.

(don't know how I have the nerve to say that to a site 95% full of men! mind you statistics back me up I think)







"Appearances can be Deceptive"
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - eMBe {P}
hootie: You did what is right for your family in your circumstances (taking account of all factors, including what you can afford for your peace of mind for safety as well as the comfort of buying new gives you).

So whether anyone else would do the same as you or not is irrelevant. Be happy - with your decision, you made the right choice after proper research, and paid a reasonable price for the car, and found a very good insurance package. Your family, your needs, your money, your choice. Well done on all counts.

P.S. On one occasion I posted about the experience of a friend who bought a brand new top-of-the-range Merc. The number of replies that were bordering on "politics of envy" were unbelievable.
Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - RichardW
When I was at school (ahem, just realised that was 10 years ago now..!) my parents bought us a car - 1982 Brown Citroen Visa Special (what was special about it? Only 2 cylinders and 35 BHP - can't do much damage in that!). Only cost £600 and I had to look after - you broke it, you fix it type thing (which I did after I rearranged the front end - twice!). Funny thing was all the lads at school had bangers and all the girls had shiny cars (except my sister as she was the first driver of said brown car!). I think in fact it is a very good idea for new drivers to get a lot of access to a car as it improves their driving with experience (especially bending them...!). Turned out to be a good car as we put 60,000 miles on it over the 8 years we had it, and it only broke down about twice (and sported a white bonnet and red off side front wing at the end!).


RichardW

Relax ... a car has been purchased now! - hootie
Thanks for your comments eMBe - I always knew that there were going to be people who thought it was madness. Like you say though, the decision was based on all prevailing factors for *our* family, and if people actually consider all of those, given that we can afford it, they might see where we\'re coming from.

I\'m very happy, anyway it\'s costing less than our last family holiday, and we\'re not going on one this year.

Incidentally, locally the main dealer\'s second hand price list examples go like this

Year 00 Reg 02 llitre GS with 11,000 miles £6,995 (no alloys or remote c/l) Same with 14,000 miles same price

I could pick out more similar, and frankly, for what you could knock down from that price, the sums didn\'t add up.

You might aswell be the one to enjoy the car new if it\'s going to cost you the same in real terms to buy an older one!

I think I\'ve exhausted the topic fully now, but it might come in useful for someone in the same position to read through later.

Thanks everyone.


\"Appearances can be Deceptive\"

 

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