Parted with money - SLO76
With much reluctance I have finally parted with my hard earned and purchased another car. Swmbo was angling for a new model Volvo XC60 at £25k upwards but after a bit of effort I managed to find a cheaper option that satisfied her need to lord it over others on the road. I bought an approved used 2015 Volvo XC60 D5 auto with all the toys, 44,000 miles, a full Volvo history and in spotless condition inside and out. After negotiation the price wasn’t too bad compared to others nearby at £14,700 but this one had a years Volvo warranty included. With a private plate you wouldn’t know what age it is thanks to the condition too.

Fingers crossed it’s as reliable as our cars typically are but with the one owner from new having traded it in for another one with the local dealer who’d serviced it for the last few years I’d say he’s been happy with it. Yes I could’ve held out for a cheaper one privately, to be honest that’s what I was doing but this one is optimal, it’s right in every way if not exactly cheap and pickings are slim on the private sale front these days with only a very overpriced 17 plate V40 sparking any real interest but it was at retail money and needed to come down by £1500.

Edited by SLO76 on 23/09/2020 at 20:18

Parted with money - DavidGlos
Nice one SLO. Is that the latest shape one, or the previous shape?

Have you still got the Avensis and the Polo? Which one goes on account of the new arrival?

Edited by DavidGlos on 23/09/2020 at 20:55

Parted with money - SLO76
Previous shape, the new ones are all £25k upwards. The Polo is going as the Avensis is just too useful to part with. It was a good wee car but it’s starting to rust on the n/s sill and it’s more likely to go wrong than the big Toyota. With full VW and specialist history and sensible miles It’ll make someone a good car though after a dealer hits it with a bit of paint. I part exchanged it rather than prepped and sold it myself as the dealer offered decent money for it, in fact more than I was offered on a CRV almost a year ago. At best I’d’ve made maybe £400-£500 more but it would’ve meant dealing with the usual idiots and the last thing I want right now is such like turning up at my door.

Edited by SLO76 on 23/09/2020 at 21:09

Parted with money - Big John

D5 - best engine choice

Parted with money - craig-pd130

D5 - best engine choice

The 5-potters are still lovely to drive. I had two V60s back to back, the first was the D3 163bhp 2.0 5-cylinder, and the second was the D4 with the VEA twin-turbo modular 4-cylinder.

The D4 had more power on paper (181bhp vs 163) and supposedly a little more torque, but on the road the D3 was definitely the sweeter motor: smoother and with a nice cultured growl. It felt just as punchy in terms of in-gear go.

While Volvo obviously wanted to rationalise costs with the VEA modular engine, they lost a lot of character by moving from the 5-cylinder motors.

Parted with money - Zippy123
Nice, hope you enjoy it!

I looked at a new one earlier in the year when offered a silly lease deal but realised would never get the thing in to some of the 1960s car parks round here.
Parted with money - nellyjak

Nice one SLO...sounds a good car...and not a bad deal at all.

I'm sure it will give you good service ....and you still have the Avensis.!!

Parted with money - Moodyman

Good result. I'm really liking the recent Volvo lineup and along with Lexus, they would be one of two manufacturers I'd consider if I was looking for premium transport.

However, I have reservations about the Chinese connection. Not politics related, but the quality. How removed are Volvo from their parent Geely too be deemed a 'proper' Volvo?

Edited by Moodyman on 24/09/2020 at 09:14

Parted with money - mcb100

I honestly see no need to worry about Geely's involvement with Volvo. They've proved so far to be remarkably hands off (apart, obviously, from the financial injection). If anything, it has given Geely's own branded products a boost.

Parted with money - SLO76
“ However, I have reservations about the Chinese connection. Not politics related, but the quality. How removed are Volvo from their parent Geely too be deemed a 'proper' Volvo?”

I too was concerned about the Chinese takeover but it seems they simply handed Volvo a fat wad of cash and told them to crack on. They’re really on form of late regards styling and quality inside and out in my opinion. They’re certainly not following the American policy of cutting their way to profit that led to the death of Saab.
Parted with money - Engineer Andy

Wow! Spending 10x as much as you normally do. I bet that hurt. :-)

Parted with money - _ORB_

Wow! Spending 10x as much as you normally do. I bet that hurt. :-)

" Ditto",

But all the same SLO knows enough about the trade to make a good choice.

Parted with money - SLO76
“ But all the same SLO knows enough about the trade to make a good choice.”

Fingers crossed but I wouldn’t have bought this had it been down to me to be honest, I’d stick with my usual recommend 5yr plus Japanese petrol powered hatch or Estate. It was the best option to keep the boss happy at reasonable money.
Parted with money - RJ414i
“ But all the same SLO knows enough about the trade to make a good choice.” Fingers crossed but I wouldn’t have bought this had it been down to me to be honest, I’d stick with my usual recommend 5yr plus Japanese petrol powered hatch or Estate. It was the best option to keep the boss happy at reasonable money.

Would a Part Ex of the third option not have been a cheaper long term option?

Parted with money - SLO76
“ But all the same SLO knows enough about the trade to make a good choice.” Fingers crossed but I wouldn’t have bought this had it been down to me to be honest, I’d stick with my usual recommend 5yr plus Japanese petrol powered hatch or Estate. It was the best option to keep the boss happy at reasonable money.

Would a Part Ex of the third option not have been a cheaper long term option?

Very much so
Parted with money - SLO76

Wow! Spending 10x as much as you normally do. I bet that hurt. :-)

You’re not kidding!
Parted with money - Engineer Andy

Wow! Spending 10x as much as you normally do. I bet that hurt. :-)

You’re not kidding!

The old balance between a happy wife and a decent bank balance! Gone are the days when the colour of the car was enough. :-)

Parted with money - Avant

Best of luck with it SLO. That sound like just the right mileage for a 5-y-o car, and it's always a good sign if the owner has PXed it for another of the same make.

Let's hope Mrs SLO does enough miles to avoid DPF problems - but if she wanted a Volvo there was little alternative to diesel. Until quite recently Volvo were encouraging buyers to go diesel, to the extent that you couldn't get a test drive in a petrol. The D4 engine I had in my V60 was noisy and stodgy; but if your D5 is a 5-cylinder, it makes a much nicer noise and I'd imagine makes it a better car to drive.

Parted with money - John F

Looks good to me, SLO - lots of car for the money. And I always liked the 5 cylinder engines in our previous cars (Passat GL5, Audi 100) - I'm sure you will too. I'd be interested to know your eventual long term mpg.

Parted with money - SLO76

Looks good to me, SLO - lots of car for the money. And I always liked the 5 cylinder engines in our previous cars (Passat GL5, Audi 100) - I'm sure you will too. I'd be interested to know your eventual long term mpg.

Always been a fan of odd numbered cylinder motors too, from 3cyl Daihatsu and VW diesels to 20v 5cyl Audi turbo and Volvo T5’s I’ve always liked that offbeat engine note. I imagine it’ll be fairly juicy though as a large AWD SUV auto with 215bhp. If it gets close to 40mpg on a run I’ll be impressed.

Edited by SLO76 on 24/09/2020 at 14:01

Parted with money - SLO76
“ Best of luck with it SLO.“

Thanks Avant. She’ll get a regular run often enough to keep the DPF happy hopefully. I’ve always liked a car with an odd number of cylinders, I just like that offbeat sound. The Polo had 3 and sounded quite characterful for a wee diesel. I’ll give honest reviews of how it gets on, hopefully it proves as robust as it looks.

Edited by SLO76 on 24/09/2020 at 18:57

Parted with money - drd63

Strange choice given your normal advice SLO. I’m assuming the XC60 fares better than the XC90 2015 onWard model which was found to be the UK’s leas reliable car in a recent Which survey and Volvo generally sit well in the bottom half of brand reliability. Agree with you about odd number of cylinders though, triples especially sound great.

Parted with money - SLO76

Strange choice given your normal advice SLO. I’m assuming the XC60 fares better than the XC90 2015 onWard model which was found to be the UK’s leas reliable car in a recent Which survey and Volvo generally sit well in the bottom half of brand reliability. Agree with you about odd number of cylinders though, triples especially sound great.

Yes, another reason (aside from Scots misery) that I wanted an older D5. The later 4cyl Volvo diesels have been proving quite troublesome with regards to EGR and DPF related woe. I also wanted to avoid the Powershift gearbox that certain Volvo’s use too. The previous gen D5’s are regarded as robust but gearbox problems aren’t unheard of as they age so fingers crossed. I opted for the auto despite this as it really suits the nature of the car. Had I bought a newer model I would probably have tried to go petrol.

Edited by SLO76 on 25/09/2020 at 14:15

Parted with money - SLO76
Well that’s (Venus) the Volvo sat on the drive. Initial impressions are very favourable. Condition is excellent, drives without fault, no rattles or squeaks and buying experience was largely pleasant, though I was disappointed that it hadn’t as promised been through the valet shop again before delivery, there were a few bird droppings and a there was a wee later of dust.

First drive as a passenger was pleasant. The seats are excellent and the interior quality is high. The only mild disappointment is the ride quality which is slightly on the choppy side at low speeds, worse I’d say than the CRV we had before and the decade old Avensis I have also but then it’s pretty normal for an SUV, the big Honda was very soft for its type.

On the return trip as driver however I was more impressed. The slightly firm ride at low speeds is offset by excellent high speed stability, loads of grip and little roll on corners for an SUV. The 215bhp D5 motor shoves it down the road at a fair lick when required and the slightly grumbly engine note this engine is often criticised for is to me quite pleasant with that old school diesel note softened slightly by the 5cyl warble. I like it.

It feels like it’ll outlast the next ice age but only time will tell. It’s certainly spacious, comfortable, safe, well made, lusty and has class without the image issues of rival German brands. I’ve always liked Volvo’s, I grew up being flung around the back seats of 340’s and 240’s in the 80’s. They always feel a bit dated to drive but also they feel like home.
Parted with money - misar

Did you study the HJ review Good/Bad page and the owner reviews before making the purchase?

Parted with money - SLO76

Did you study the HJ review Good/Bad page and the owner reviews before making the purchase?

Sure did, they’re always very helpful and thus the reason why I initially wanted to go for a Honda CRV 1.6 Twin turbo EX or a Mazda CX-5 2.0 Skyactiv but neither particularly appealed to swmbo and I also found the Mazda hard to locate in petrol form and every Honda we looked at had been neglected by owners who treated them like appliances, even the approved used examples at our nearby main dealer. The XC60 is far from vice free but the best of them seems to be the older D5’s with much of the complaints being made against the newer 4cyl diesels but they do need full dealer history and you need to verify all updates and recalls have been carried out. It’s more of a risk than a simple petrol engined hatch or estate but when buying a large(ish) SUV there will always be some risk involved. I’ve removed as much of it as possible with this sort of vehicle for the money I was willing to spend and I know a few people who own them and one with an elderly 2005 XC90 2.4d auto and none report anything other than praise though the XC90 owner does moan about the lack of power and fuel consumption but then I did tell him not to buy a large SUV on a baked bean budget. Time will tell but it’s covered by a Volvo warranty for the next year which gives me a good opportunity to gauge how reliable it’s going to be and I’ve bought it well enough that it wouldn’t be a disaster if I have to move it on. Hopefully this won’t happen though as the gaffer rather likes it and would only demand a newer one on a horrid never-ending PCP or lease. Plus me buying (or rather renting) a new car wouldn’t make for very interesting reviews would it? I like hunting for and buying good used cars on a budget and this is a car that would’ve had a list price in excess of £35k just over 5 1/2 years ago that I bought for less than £15,000. Aside from one minor stone chip it looks like new inside and out. It’ll be interesting to see how ownership of a premium diesel SUV pans out.
Parted with money - pd

If it has been main dealer serviced then it will have had any software updates automatically although to be honest by 2015 the XC60 was a very well sorted car with few generic issues.

Any Volvo serviced at a main dealer gets 12 months breakdown cover as well included (called "SARA" regardless of any used warranty provision.

Parted with money - SLO76
Well, I’ve not had much opportunity to drive it so far which is in itself not a bad thing as it suggests that swmbo is very happy with Venus the Volvo. The fleeting drives I’ve had to date have revealed hugely comfortable seats, excellent interior quality, surprising capability on corners and very lusty performance but the biggest negative is very choppy ride at low speeds. I’m still very pleased with it though and I rate it well ahead of the CRV we had previously. With new and used car prices continuing Northwards I’ll be trying to keep the gaffer parked on this drivers seat for many a year to come hopefully.
Parted with money - KBB

Hi SLO, you commented earlier on issues with the more recent engines:

"The later 4cyl Volvo diesels have been proving quite troublesome with regards to EGR and DPF related woe."

and I wondered if you could elaborate on that.

I've recently bought a 2018 V60 D4 (2.0L 4cyl) and before buying I did a bit of looking around forums etc to see if there were significant issues. I found some threads on the Volvo forum about rising oil levels due to dilution with diesel from failed regens, but not enough that it looked like it was a widespread issue.

I am currently WFH every day and thus, a higher proportion of journeys are short. I realise this is not great for the DPF, but from what I had read, the Volvo implementation doesn't have too many problems. I'd like to be forewarned and forearmed, esp if there is something I can do to prevent. Thanks.

Parted with money - SLO76
Best thing to do is to read the review sections on Volvo’s equipped with this engine, you’ll find mention to it. Owner reviews often mention engine related issues too but I suspect later cars will be sorted by now. Volvo generally has a good reputation. But as with anything I tend to avoid the first of any new generation engine until it has proven itself, almost all designs go through a teething problem or two. The old D5 is well known but not entirely vice free either.
Parted with money - KBB

Problem is the D4 has been used as an engine identifier for years across multiple models, so it's impossible to tell from a review if it's actually the same engine.

What I do know is that the EGR problems are from an engine version that did not use Adblue. The engine I have definitely DOES use Adblue so hopefully should not suffer that issue.

I suppose I will just keep an eye on it and cross fingers. Unfortunately, there is no dipstick to measure the oil level. The electronic dipstick currently shows the oil is full, so theoretically if it starts getting diesel added to it I should get a warning fairly quickly.

Parted with money - Avant

You should be fine, KBB. The issues with the D4 were on pre-2016 models.

Parted with money - KBB

OK, thanks.

 

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