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Choose one with a reputation for unreliability and high service and repair costs. This will help the British garage industry.
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Lol.
Edited by Metropolis. on 23/06/2020 at 08:43
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My money would be on a car at least assembled in the UK where the maker offers a standard 5 year (extendable) warranty and has a reputation for standing by their reliable product and the customer too, that narrows the field down considerably.
A bit late in the day for this by the way, i was one of many who found ourselves increasingly ridiculed and alone when we insisted decades ago in buying British only, my final straw was when i wished to buy a new microwave oven, searched high and low for a Brit made and finally found a Belling with Union Flag sticker prominent on the front, only to find the inevitable made in China label on the back....that and Rover/BL whatever they were called at the trime sticking the Union Flag on the back of the dreadful Indian made City Rover, a car that was falling apart as we delivered the things...compounding that treachery by dumping Honda arguably the best thing ever to happen to our national car maker.
Respect to you for trying to do your bit despite all that has happened in the intervening years, i long ago gave up and now it's Japanese only for me hence why i'd do both you and the Burnaston factory a favour by buying a Brit made ( with Japanese reliability and attention to build quality) Toyota.
I drove car transporters for many years, and can assure you that the attention to QC at both Toyota and Honda factories and import sites is in a different class to some others past and present, i never worked out of Nissan so cannot comment.
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I drove car transporters for many years, and can assure you that the attention to QC at both Toyota and Honda factories and import sites is in a different class to some others past and present, i never worked out of Nissan so cannot comment.
I don't know if you have told of this before on the forum GB, but I'd love to know which manufacturers were not good. Obviously there's no need to identify them directly. :-)
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I don't know if you have told of this before on the forum GB, but I'd love to know which manufacturers were not good. Obviously there's no need to identify them directly. :-)
Without naming makers, one factory, now gone, i used to load out of every day, sometimes 3 x 11 car loads a day for transfer to RDC, not BL.
At least twice a week one of the cars from factory would fail completely to run, regular issues with ECU's, these would be left off for rework, damage often found on the bodies, just get it signed for and the dealer it eventually ended up at would get it fixed and presumably bill the maker, one memorable day a door was bashed in badly (brand new cars), i presumed this would be left off, not a bit of it, i actually delivered this very car to a Nth Wales dealer who really didn't want to receive it but had no choice.
Contrast with Toyota, every single vehicle collected from there (and any Toyota/Lexus import centre) would be absolutely perfect in every way or it wouldn't go, over many years i maybe found 2 slight chips or scratches on a car in my load lane, after reporting a chap in a white coat would appear from QC to inspect and the car would disapper to be rectified plus full inquiry how it happened so it didn't happen again, and i don't mean a dab of touch up paint or smart rub on stuff either, never once had a non starter or poor runner from any Toyota centre, everything was about quality standards.
A colleague caught a wheeltrim on a lorry deck at Honda, went in and reported and asked if they could supply a new wheeltrim, no was the answer because the car would have to be inspected and alignments etc rechecked to ensure only the trim itself was affected.
Edited by gordonbennet on 23/06/2020 at 11:47
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You will not find much patriotism on here I am afraid. Most buy Japanese or german with the excuse that British companies are foreign owned anyway and will take every opportunity to have a pop at British manufacturers with the idea they will break down permanently. It depends on your budget and what you want, but mainstream models all that is left is Jaguar and Land Rover.
Plenty of people here recommend the Honda and Toyota's built here so not sure what you mean?
Jaguar and Landrover are all that are left? Do you think they are British owned? They are owned bu the India Tata company.
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The other comments had not loaded on my screen when I posted that. However those posting still have not bought British, albeit they are going further than I expected in mentioning British brands.
I am aware it is Indian owned. My point is that this is the usual excuse from people who did not buy British in the first place. All well and good recommending Japanese brands with factories here, but when **** hits the fan, the factories here are the ones that will close, not their home market.
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You will not find much patriotism on here I am afraid. Most buy Japanese or german with the excuse that British companies are foreign owned anyway and will take every opportunity to have a pop at British manufacturers with the idea they will break down permanently. It depends on your budget and what you want, but mainstream models all that is left is Jaguar and Land Rover.
JLR are owned by an Indian firm. They aren't British.
Besides, both makes are premium on price and not on engineering quality, especially Land Rover. I cannot afford a car from range that start at 50 - 100% more than I can afford.
British car companies disappeared when Rover went. I don't count the little makes producing expensive sports cars.
Buying a Japanese or Korean car is because we want an affordable, reliable, long-lasting car.
People used to 'buy British' cars in the 1960s and 70s, and look what it got us - cr@p, poor quality cars that fell to bits, endless strikes and that allowed foreign brands to move in and take over because they produced far better cars for the same/less money and didn't treat us like idiots at the showroom.
I am patriotic, but I'm not daft or naive. I can't afford to be. I'd gladly buy British if a British-owned firm produced high quality, realiable, value for money cars and treated customers with respect and had good labour relations/a highly motivated workforce.
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They are British, it’s the ownership that is foreign. Just as Volvo is still Swedish, Chrysler American, Nissan and Mitsubishi Japanese, if Ferrari were bought by an Indian investor and retained their italian headquarters, engineers, entire workforce and left to run more or less autonomously except for injections of cash, would you look at Ferrari and say ‘that’s an Indian supercar’ ? it’s nonsense. When is the last time you bought a british car? The failure in the 70s was complex, joining the EEC and abandoning kith and kin in captive markets was the death knell, but to argue buying British back then caused the demise, even if you think this could have bred complacency, is just too small a part of the question. Patriot my foot.
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They are British, it’s the ownership that is foreign. Just as Volvo is still Swedish, Chrysler American, Nissan and Mitsubishi Japanese, if Ferrari were bought by an Indian investor and retained their italian headquarters, engineers, entire workforce and left to run more or less autonomously except for injections of cash, would you look at Ferrari and say ‘that’s an Indian supercar’ ? it’s nonsense. When is the last time you bought a british car? The failure in the 70s was complex, joining the EEC and abandoning kith and kin in captive markets was the death knell, but to argue buying British back then caused the demise, even if you think this could have bred complacency, is just too small a part of the question. Patriot my foot.
By your definition, my last (not current) car was British - a Nissan K11 Micra built in Sunderland. I have never been able to afford a new or under three years old JLR, and nor will I buy one because of the many inherrant design flaws, never mind the price.
Besides, I am not in the market for a serious offroader or a large luxury saloon costing £40k+ new. I certainly do not want one that is much older that needs a LOT of (expensive) TLC on a regular basis and that drinks fuel/costs a fortune to insure/tax and is too big in comparison to a Focus sized car.
Besides, you're insulting the wrong person here - as many Backroomers will know, I am not some Europhile or some left wing agitator. You're looking for arguments that just aren't there.
On the other hand, I won't buy rubbish or products that are inappropriate for my needs just because it's British designed or made. I would if they were appropriate and met all my requirements on quality and value. JLRs do not.
My next car (not on the horizon, give the current climate, but you never know) will likely be either:
- Another Mazda3 or CX-30 (made in Japan);
- A Toyota Corolla (made in the UK);
- A KIA Ceed/X-Ceed / Hyundai i30 (make in Slovakia?).
I buy on engineering quality (which includes reliability/longevity), being at least reasonable to drive, good value for money, size/space requirements, running costs and the ownership experience (servicing etc).
Unless a car meets those needs, and the make/its onwers are not really dodgy or support a corrupt or dictatorial regime, then they are on my list. Pure and simple.
I don't see JLR making a car that meets those requirements any time soon. If it weren't for my local Mazda dealership having a reasonable reputation, I would never have bought a Mazda, because their dealership quality varies as much as the likes of Ford and Vauxhall.
The difference was (the Ford Focus was on my list back in 2005/6 because it was a well-regarded car back then) that my Mazda is a petrol and thus has not suffered any of the issues the Ford-PSA-derived diesels have.
Being a patriot doen't need me to compromise other principles or have Union Jack tattoos.
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They are British, it’s the ownership that is foreign. Just as Volvo is still Swedish, Chrysler American, Nissan and Mitsubishi Japanese, if Ferrari were bought by an Indian investor and retained their italian headquarters, engineers, entire workforce and left to run more or less autonomously except for injections of cash, would you look at Ferrari and say ‘that’s an Indian supercar’ ? it’s nonsense. When is the last time you bought a british car? The failure in the 70s was complex, joining the EEC and abandoning kith and kin in captive markets was the death knell, but to argue buying British back then caused the demise, even if you think this could have bred complacency, is just too small a part of the question. Patriot my foot.
So is Mini British or German? Made here, owned by BMW but only got thrights for the Mini after purchasing Rover.
At the end of the day I don't care where the manufactuerer is from - if a car that I like is made in the UK then that's good.
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Besides, both makes are premium on price and not on engineering quality, especially Land Rover. I cannot afford a car from range that start at 50 - 100% more than I can afford.
I don't see why not. A lot of people don't seem to let that little thing bother them. ;-)
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