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Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Avant

My Q2 after 23,000 miles has about 4.5 mm on all four tyres: as it's a quattro, they all wear more or less evenly.

When they get down to 3 mm I'll replace them with all-season tyres. I think it has enough traction not to need full winter tyres, and the all-seasons can stay on permanently.

There isn't much choice in the rather odd size (215/50/18) so it's between Vredestein Quatrac and Michelin Cross-Climate. I've seen a test report where the Michelins didn't perform all that well in snow; and the Vredesteins are cheaper.

Does anyone think that the Michelins are worth the extra?

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - paul 1963

I know HJ would say Michelin every time but I have continental's on my car (same size as yours coincidently) and there really very good, that said with 4.5mm of tread yours will see the winter out, have another look next year.

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Ian D
Where do you live Avant? If you are the south of England where snow is infrequent the Cross Climates should be fine, more Scotland and maybe choose all season tyres with more of a snow bias. I had Cross Climates on my S-Max and live in deepest darkest Dorset, with the snow last year they only failed to get me up one rather steep hill, but otherwise good. Now have tried Goodyear Vector 4 seasons as the inner edge of the Cross Climates seemed more prone to wear from speed bumps than I expected
Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - paul 1963

oops! just looked, mine are 225 not 215, near enough I guess?

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - catsdad
I have limited trust in reviews if it's just one test especially when it comes to snow. Snow can vary so much that a proper test would need to over a range of conditions, depth, temp etc. As both these tyres are rated as meeting the required winter standards I would prefer to rely on that.

I had Michelin CC on my departed Civic. They never saw snow in 2.5 years as I left in the drive when the snow came. In wider use they do wear well at nearly 30k miles and still 4-5mm. Kudos to you and Audi for getting similar life out of your current tyres. Michelin rate them right down to the legal limit but I would still change at 3mm for winter. The CCs are also quiet in the cabin if that's important to you.

You mention cost and a quick check on Blackcircles gives an eye watering £250 per tyre for CCs in that size. They don't seem to list the V's in that size but they are considerably cheaper in close sizes. Maybe I miskeyed something but if there is a big premium on the CCs then that would be a factor. Especially if you get a puncture when they tyres are half worn and the 4wd demands a whole set?

Edited by catsdad on 07/11/2019 at 08:28

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Engineer Andy
Where do you live Avant? If you are the south of England where snow is infrequent the Cross Climates should be fine, more Scotland and maybe choose all season tyres with more of a snow bias. I had Cross Climates on my S-Max and live in deepest darkest Dorset, with the snow last year they only failed to get me up one rather steep hill, but otherwise good. Now have tried Goodyear Vector 4 seasons as the inner edge of the Cross Climates seemed more prone to wear from speed bumps than I expected

I agree for the most part, but the car and specific model/sub-model they are fitted to makes as much difference as the tyre itself, as does where you are (not just weather related) and how you drive the car - when I was looking to replace my car's tyres last year, I came across many reviews that completely contradicted eachother concerning the performance and longevity of essentially identical tyres, even sometime actual identical tyres in terms of size.

For many, there appears to be a large difference between how they perform bewteen FWD, RWD and 4WD, between standard models of car and even warm hatch cars (including diesels with a lot of torque), between those using the same moidel of tyre but in different combinations of width, diameter and sidewall height.

The same goes if you live in an area with roads which are in very poor condition or have lots of speed humps on your normal usage routes, or if you are a 'spirited driver' who is heavy on the accelerator and brakes.

Best to get a wide range of views and reviews (the test reviews are often too subjective and are often on cars and surfaces quite different to your own experience), hence why I recommend reading both all the test reviews and those (not just the scores or overall ones) from end-users like us on the TyreReviews website and elsewhere. I try and look at those user reviews by taking particualr note of people who to seem as close to my car/driving style etc as possible - not always possible, but it can give a closer approximation than just the overall data or just random/latest reviews.

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Glaikit Wee Scunner {P}

Yup, the CC are £250 each. The Vredesteins "only" £132. Both fitted.

I'm sad enough to check tyre prices and availabity before I buy a car.

My current vehicle has the very popular 205/55 -16 size and I use Vredestein Quatrac5.

Edited by Glaikit Wee Scunner {P} on 07/11/2019 at 11:23

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - madf

I have CCs on the Jazz 1mm wear in 12k miles..

Superb on mud and in large - 30cms deep - puddles.. Great on wet greasy grass on slopes (4x4s ith normal tyres could not get up!)

Bad:

on some surfaces - (A50 outside Stoke on Trent going South) - with regualr road ridges about 20-50cms apart - a very unpleasant jarring - much worse than The Michelin Enery Savres I had before.. Horrible - teeth jarring.. Either 40 mph or 70mph to avoid it.. (May be Jazz interaction as well)

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - daveyjp

Audi seem to like unusual sized tyres, my A2 was the same - only two brands when I needed replacements. Dunlop and Vredestein!, I went for Vredestein.

I'd go for the Vredestein again and if they are anything like Yokohama all season tyres they will last for 40k+ miles.

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Avant

"Where do you live Avant? If you are the south of England where snow is infrequent the Cross Climates should be fine...."

Also in deepest Dorset, Ian: Buckhorn Weston, which sounds like a West Indian fast bowler but is actually a north Dorset village on the Somerset border, between Gillingham and Wincanton.

We're on the side of a steep hill so snow and ice are the main concern, as the 4WD Q2 is very sure-footed in the wet. The OEM Bridgestones have indeed worn well, but there's too much road noise. It wasn't an issue this year as the only snow we had was for two days and then another two days, so we didn't go out.

I'm sure the Cross-Climates would be fine, but I'm not convinced that they're worth almost twice as much as the Vredesteins. The excellent local tyre place - DCM of Shaftesbury - is happy to recommend either.

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Theophilus

Also in deepest Dorset, Ian: Buckhorn Weston, which sounds like a West Indian fast bowler but is actually a north Dorset village on the Somerset border, between Gillingham and Wincanton.

Avant, I think you must have been reading the article in today's Times ... "And so on we go, past those West Country villages that always sound to me like West Indies cricketers — Steeple Langford, Fonthill Gifford, Monkton Deverill — until we reach Charlton Horethorne, not a Jamaican bowler but the village where I meet ...."

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Avant

Yes, I saw Patrick Kidd's piece, but I've been saying that ever since we moved here five years ago.

It also sounds a bit like one of those Victorian arrangers of other people's music....Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy, arranged for tuba solo and full brass band by H. Buckhorn Weston.

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - KB.

As we've strayed off topic for a moment, Avant, I had a look and spotted a grand pile halfway up the hill, on the same side as the pub ... the old rectory was it? Looks like it's holiday apartments now, but, my word, what a grand residence for the rector of a smallish parish.

When I first spotted it I assumed it was yours - but then saw it was taken, but noticed a number of pleasant gaffs in the vicinity in which to wile away the day :-)

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Engineer Andy

My Q2 after 23,000 miles has about 4.5 mm on all four tyres: as it's a quattro, they all wear more or less evenly.

When they get down to 3 mm I'll replace them with all-season tyres. I think it has enough traction not to need full winter tyres, and the all-seasons can stay on permanently.

There isn't much choice in the rather odd size (215/50/18) so it's between Vredestein Quatrac and Michelin Cross-Climate. I've seen a test report where the Michelins didn't perform all that well in snow; and the Vredesteins are cheaper.

Does anyone think that the Michelins are worth the extra?

Is there a chance you can stick with 18in tyres but go with a different combo of width and sidewall ratio to get the same overall diameter that is more common? Not sure of course whether the car manufacturer would even allow this as a standard 'change' and the implications to insurance.

A quick check on Oponeo revealed an alternative in the 235/45 R18 tyre, with Blackcircles offering the standard CC+ (for example) in that size for £172 fitted and the GY Vector 4S for about £5 less. Ironically the Qutrac was more expensive then the other size, though still cheaper at about £148 and of a newer type that was 'C' rated for mpg, but C rated instead of B for wet grip. Not really many other choices.

www.oponeo.co.uk/advice-and-tips/tyre-size-calcula...l

You may just be unlucky that (as an increasing number of new cars are) you car is fitted with unusual sized tyres and even changing wheel and tyre sizes might not make a difference. I'm sure this is yet another money-making wheeze by the motor industry.

I save myself £15 on my insurance (about 5%) when I changed my wheels and tyres (both needed changing anyway) from 205/55 R16 to 195/65 R15, but the big saving was changing of the wheels and tyres themselves (the entire set), costing £300 less (essentially I got the tyres for free).

Probably not a cost-effective option for you this time (way too early in the life of the car), but worth a look down the line if and when the alloys start to corrode (assuming you keep the car that long). I've been lucky my car has (all combos allowable) very standard (common) sized tyres, so I pay a lot less than most people for tyres. The new version of my car sees the price go up by between 25% and 50% depending on which tyres I go for, just because the tyre sidewall ratio on the OEMs went from 205/55 R16 to 205/60 R16.

Note that the Vredesteins you appeared to fin originally are I think only 'E' rated for fuel economy (on Blackcircles anyway) whereas the Michelin CC SUV are 'C' rated. I suspect they are more expensive partly because of this, that they are of a newer design and are specifically designed for SUVs. The Q2 whilst an SUV in name, isn't really one in the truest sense, so you're probably paying way over the odds for a tyre you don't really need.

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - Avant

Thank you so much, Andy and others, for your helpful responses and for the time taken. I'm inclining towards Vredestein but there's at least 2,000 miles worth left on the ones I've got.

Glad you liked the look of the village, KB: the Old Rectory was built by the Victorians for the sort of rector who was the third or fourth son of the manor and had about 19 children. It did become flats but was bought abut 20 years ago by a hard-working, succesful builder who has 9 children. He converted it back, and they still live in the whole house.

We are slightly further up the hill from there on the opposite side, in one of those houses that look like bungalows but aren't.

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - KB.

All rcvd. Ta.

I think I'm confused. I spotted that big, imposing old place with twenty front facing windows and big double metal gates and pillars and then saw current adverts for, what look like, self catering type holiday breaks ...I think maybe called Rectory Coach House? But I suspect that's different from The Old Rectory ?

Have to say it's a pretty corner of the world. I do reflect on your saying how you noticed a difference in where you are and the area of South Devon where you visited - and, I recall, found it a good bit busier and with lanes even narrower than yours :-) - after 15 years here I've mastered the narrow lanes (they get even narrower if you venture into parts of deepest Dartmoor) but am still amazed at the amount of traffic in the likes of Newton Abbot and Totnes ... however I've just returned from North East London and Essex and am reminded that all things in life are relative.

EDIT. I think I spotted the house(s) ? that look like bungalows at first glance.

Edit by Avant - Rectory Coach House is a cottage in the Old Rectory grounds which is a self-catering let.

Edited by Avant on 07/11/2019 at 19:09

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - catsdad
As you have time on your side Avant you may find that the CC/CC+ prices come down by Spring.

When I got my CCs, the CC+ was just coming in and they were about 30% dearer than CCs. As of today the CC+ are actually a couple of quid cheaper. So on that basis the price for your uncommon size may reduce, especially once winter is over. I can't see how they can sustain the current premium.

Edited by catsdad on 07/11/2019 at 17:14

Audi Q2 - new tyres soon - gordonbennet

Coo, that is an expensive size.

I could not pay the ridiculous price of those Mich's, but stop press, Camskill have got those Vred Quatracs you fancy @ just under £100 each, IIRC it'll cost a tenner to post 4 to you.

 

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