No fun. - SLO76
As a salesman in the 90’s and as the son of a parent who loved buying cars I remember the feeling of picking up and delivering cars when we had an annual plate change. I was against it when the twice a year change was first suggested but the trade were in support as they believed it would spread sales throughout the year helping with cash flow. Fair enough but where the fun? I loved car spotting on the 1st of August and always enjoyed my Dad picking up a new car.

It took the joy out of buying a new car which you picked up your brand new registration on August 1st and had a new car for a full year. Today no one cares what age your plate reflects and as I predicted at the time pre-registration and mass discounting along with this double plate change would accelerate depreciation and I was right.

We can trace the decline produced family sized cars back to this point with larger blue collar models like the Omega, Vectra, Mondeo etc etc plummeting in demand as fleets sought to avoid the painful depreciation they suffered from.

It’s also when we seen the decline in advertising spending. In the 80’s and 90’s we had a UK car show and smaller shows like the Scottish car show at the SECC along with small regional shows but today there’s nothing promoted by the manufacturers. Another dose of fun removed.

Buyers increasingly weren’t interested in the new stock we were flogging and wanted nearly new instead. First our Proton dealerships sales plummeted and it was canned in favour of used cars only and then they binned the Mitsubishi franchise too. The multi-site dealership now sells used only which is a shame but fewer and fewer people wanted to buy new.

The advent of PCP’s and personal leasing did revive sales (but not profit margins for dealers) but again where’s the fun in picking up a car you’ll never own? I’ve only done it once with a Honda CRV and it was like picking up a new appliance. I’ll stick to used from now on.

Edited by SLO76 on 04/01/2019 at 14:00

No fun. - oldroverboy.

To me, Cars are "white goods" now.

Too complex to fix, expensive (so some say) to service and outdated in 12 months time anyways..

No fun. - Engineer Andy

...all requiring regular software updates like Windows 10 to fix problems caused by them being rushed out to get to market with the latest gizmo (that most people don't actually want or use much) before the competition.

No fun. - Ian_SW

I think I went through the whole of September last year without seeing a 68 reg car. The only 68 reg vehicle I remember seeing was a bin lorry!

Registration change on 1st Aug certainly seemed much more of an occasion to me in my youth. My father usually bought cars new, but we only ever drove around in a new registration letter car for a short time. He reckoned the best discounts to be had were in July ... I still remember him picking up a brand new H reg Volvo in late July from a dealership full to the rafters with J reg models lined up ready to go to their owners a few days later!

My other abiding memory of August 1st back in the 80s was seeing an absolutely brand new BMW 5 series with the new registration (E I think it was) being pulled from the sea by a tractor. The owners must have pretty much driven it from the dealership to the beach, parked it there and the tide came in.... The owners must have been devastated, but as a young boy I thought it quite funny.

No fun. - Engineer Andy

I used to love it when my Dad got a new company car, even if it was a naff Ford Escort. I got first dibs on the manual and was given the task to program the radio and other ICE settings, all the while taking in all those lovely new car smell 'fumes' (that probably didn't help my asthma, but hey, I loved that new car smell). Great when we got our first family car changing from the dreaded vinyl seats to cloth, playing with the electric windows or the sunroof.

Pity the cars drove like pants (especially the last one Dad had - the horrible 1.4 petrol [lean burn] with all of 75bhp).

Back in the day loads of people looked forward to the Aug 1st reg changeover day - all trying to keep up with the Joneses buying their car to be displayed on day one of the new reg year.

No fun. - Manatee

I used to love it when my Dad got a new company car, even if it was a naff Ford Escort.

Pity the cars drove like pants (especially the last one Dad had - the horrible 1.4 petrol [lean burn] with all of 75bhp).

I had a new 1984 Escort 1.3L, 68bhp. It went very well. Weighing 810Kg. helped. 0-60 in 12s wasn't bad in 1984. And quicker to accelerate than a 2018 Focus 1.0 ecoboost with 85bhp, weighing an incredible 1247Kg.

The Escort was however slow compared with the Orion 1.6L I had in '87. What a rocket ship that was, even if it did fold like a paper bag when somebody rammed it up the chuff.

I digress. I have no doubt the bonkers registration changes, both annual and 6-monthly, has played a big part in the British obsession with new cars. Crackers really.

No fun. - bathtub tom
Today no one cares what age your plate reflects

I dispute that. Look at the number of 'prat plates' that have little discernible meaning, other than to hide the age of the car. I've two neighbours with these type of plates.

No fun. - Alby Back
Back in the early 80s the company I worked for used to renew its car fleet every March, we didn't get a choice of car, but every March you'd get a new one, which was kind of nice.

But, funnily enough, I was only yesterday talking to a friend about this, we both have '16 plate cars at the moment, and he was saying he thought he probably ought to change his car soon as it was getting on for 3 years old.

I said that on the contrary, I wish my car was capable of running pretty much forever as it does everything I want and I like it. Couldn't care less what the plate "says" to be truthful. I'm nearly up to 100,000 miles on it now and if it could be relied upon to do that 5 times over I'd be happy enough to keep it that long. As it stands, I'll probably change it in a couple of years or before it gets to 200,000, but I'm still not entirely sure why.
No fun. - craig-pd130
The advent of PCP’s and personal leasing did revive sales (but not profit margins for dealers) but again where’s the fun in picking up a car you’ll never own? I’ve only done it once with a Honda CRV and it was like picking up a new appliance. I’ll stick to used from now on.

I'd have to disagree - all "my" cars for the past 20 years have been company vehicles, and I really enjoy the choosing, test-driving, picking them up brand-spanking-new from the dealer and then exploring their performance.

No fun. - RT
We can trace the decline produced family sized cars back to this point with larger blue collar models like the Omega, Vectra, Mondeo etc etc plummeting in demand as fleets sought to avoid the painful depreciation they suffered from.

Customers have switched in droves from large mainstream cars, like Omega, Scorpio and bought mid-sized premium cars like A4, 3-series and C-class - that switching carried on from Escort/Astra mainstream models to small premium cars.

The "secret" was short-supply, which increases residual values making the purchase of a more expensive premium car more viable, regardless of financing method.

While Ford, Vauxhall, etc chase volume they'll continue to be contracting brands.

No fun. - Steveieb
Remember one of my work colleagues taking delivery of his new Focus every two years.
The pleasure was short lived as he then was off sick for a couple of days as he reacted so badly to the plastic fumes given off by the car interior.

Some sort of fun ?
No fun. - Andrew-T
.... as I predicted at the time pre-registration and mass discounting along with this double plate change would accelerate depreciation and I was right.

I think there are several causes for faster depreciation, which in itself just indicates how the market values each model. That depends on (a) whether it is still seen as desirable or reliable, (b) whether everyone who wants one has one and (c) how well-off buyers feel; (d) following from those, whether supply exceeds demand, both for that model and its replacement. I'm not sure how much the plate change can affect those except for a month or two when it happens.

I sometimes wonder whether the car industry exists to provide vehicles for the public, or the reverse - the public exists to keep the industry and its ancillaries rolling. And let's face it, like the banks, it may be too big to fail.

I also wonder about the depreciation of iPhones, a market which works in a similar way but faster. It's not long since fanatics were rushing out to buy the latest model for a grand. What are they worth now, with the next model eagerly awaited?

No fun. - concrete

Like most experiences in life, their 'wow' factor tends to wane as you get older, wiser and probably more cynical. I still do enjoy picking up a new vehicle, new to me sometimes, sometimes brand new but the pleasure is always tempered by other factors too myriad to mention but relevant to you at the time. Like most on the forum I pick vehicles I like to drive but also with great consideration as to their use and cost. That will always dampen the fun.

C'est la vie ( for focused)

Cheers Concrete

No fun. - corax
I also wonder about the depreciation of iPhones, a market which works in a similar way but faster. It's not long since fanatics were rushing out to buy the latest model for a grand. What are they worth now, with the next model eagerly awaited?

Apple are discovering that people aren't upgrading like they used to and are losing sales. It had to happen at some point. Overpriced, and improvements over the previous model only slight, the Android phones have caught up and offering better value to boot. Plenty of help out there to change a battery in a 'sealed' phone too.

No fun. - Bolt

Apple are discovering that people aren't upgrading like they used to and are losing sales.

Not enough to worry about

and I doubt people would like a car being treated like an iPhone in that they are gradually forcing repairs to be made by their own repairs techs and no one else, so if it goes wrong they are the only ones allowed to repair it- or scrap it, imagine car firms doing that here...?

No fun. - Steveieb
A car broker that I dealt with came to a very sensible economic business model.
Which was 8 out of 10 people given the option would choose a Golf.
So he tried to deal in nothing else .
Not much fun but always a sensible choice !
No fun. - groaver

Reading some of the forum threads here makes me think that a Samaritan's helpline number might be a good idea... ;)

No fun. - John F
I think there are several causes for faster depreciation, which in itself just indicates how the market values each model. ......

One rarely mentioned cause are the tax rules which allow a 'write off' of 25% per annum against tax if the car is used solely for business. This means that after four years a £40,000 car is 'worth' only £12656. If you get any more than this for it, you or the company will have to forgo some of the tax relief! The result is lots of bargains for low mileage drivers like myself, e.g. my 1998 Audi A6 2.8SE tiptronic bought in 2003 at 77,000m for a mere £8000, lasted until 2014 and 133,000m - utterly reliable and always a pleasure to be in - still going strong when sold.

No fun. - Engineer Andy
I think there are several causes for faster depreciation, which in itself just indicates how the market values each model. ......

One rarely mentioned cause are the tax rules which allow a 'write off' of 25% per annum against tax if the car is used solely for business. This means that after four years a £40,000 car is 'worth' only £12656. If you get any more than this for it, you or the company will have to forgo some of the tax relief! The result is lots of bargains for low mileage drivers like myself, e.g. my 1998 Audi A6 2.8SE tiptronic bought in 2003 at 77,000m for a mere £8000, lasted until 2014 and 133,000m - utterly reliable and always a pleasure to be in - still going strong when sold.

I suppose that's also a bit like the BIK being only related to the new price, not the discounted price you actually paid, which surely encourages people to buy/lease new and cars from the executive end of the spectrum, which attract less generous discounts but which hold their value well. Probably why so many (who don't do spaceship mileages for work) people buy Audis, Beemers and Mercs for work that, a couple of decades ago would've had Fords and Vauxhalls.

No fun. - expat
"Today no one cares what age your plate reflects and as I predicted at the time pre-registration and mass discounting along with this double plate change would accelerate depreciation and I was right. We can trace the decline produced family sized cars back to this point with larger blue collar models like the Omega, Vectra, Mondeo etc etc plummeting in demand as fleets sought to avoid the painful depreciation they suffered from."



The same thing is happening to large cars in both Australia and the US. Lack of demand and the fleets no longer buy them. We don't have age related number plates so that isn't a factor. I am sorry to see the big cars go. Second hand it was great to be able to buy a big car 18 months old for half the new value. They were great to drive also and, if looked after, you could get 15 or more years out of them. This made for really cheap motoring and offset the higher fuel consumption.
No fun. - davecooper

I always wonder why people have a problem with cars they don't own. No one knows, or cares come to that, whether you own your car or have it on a finance deal. I regularly drive hire cars for business. None of these are mine but I still enjoy driving them. Unless you are going to customise it as soon as you get it, what does it matter?

No fun. - SLO76

I always wonder why people have a problem with cars they don't own. No one knows, or cares come to that, whether you own your car or have it on a finance deal. I regularly drive hire cars for business. None of these are mine but I still enjoy driving them. Unless you are going to customise it as soon as you get it, what does it matter?

Doesn’t bother me whether others know my car is bought or leased but it does bother me that I know. I get pleasure from buying wisely and then cleaning and maintaining my car correctly then selling for the best price possible. Leasing it means it becomes white goods. There’s no need to care for it the same or any pleasure from buying or selling it right. You pick one you like, you pay a monthly fee and the warranty covers any repairs. Zzzzzz
No fun. - Engineer Andy

I always wonder why people have a problem with cars they don't own. No one knows, or cares come to that, whether you own your car or have it on a finance deal. I regularly drive hire cars for business. None of these are mine but I still enjoy driving them. Unless you are going to customise it as soon as you get it, what does it matter?

Doesn’t bother me whether others know my car is bought or leased but it does bother me that I know. I get pleasure from buying wisely and then cleaning and maintaining my car correctly then selling for the best price possible. Leasing it means it becomes white goods. There’s no need to care for it the same or any pleasure from buying or selling it right. You pick one you like, you pay a monthly fee and the warranty covers any repairs. Zzzzzz

Armchair on wheels. I thought we would've done away with running these on lease with the demise of Radio Rentals with home entertainment equipment - my parents used (only 5 years ago) to pay about £500pa for the 'priviledge' of owning a 26in SD CRT TV and VCR; the only other 'benefit' being that if it could be fixed, they'd get a replacement there are then for free.

They ended the agreement after I pointed out that they could buy a 32in 1080p LCD flatscreen TV, HD freeview PVR and very nice glass TV unit/stand for about £650 - £700 from John Lewis, and the TV came with a free 5yr warranty and free replacement if it can't be fixed on-site. I think it also helped that my flatscreen TV (still going strong today) was 7 years old at the time and no faults. I suspect they could buy the same sort of thing today for less than half that.

I can fully understand people not paying the RRP/sticker price on new cars (especially if they go via a broker or an unwanted new car via a supersite), but for a LONG term buy, then there's something to be said if it ticks all the boxes for a car that will be guaranteed to only be run and looked after by you and yours. Second hand buying is a craft to learn, and many people don't have the ability, time or patience to do so and to put in the effort when sourcing a decent older run-around that does the basic A to B job and nothing more.

A question of taste and mind-set I suppose.