Is motoring cheaper now? - barney100

I got my first car about 1971, Viva HB in peacock blue. Petrol was under 50p a gallon unless my memory has failed. Car cast £400 or so and I reckon I must have been on £25 a week so it cost me a quarter of what I earned I guess. I would be really interested if someone with more accurate info than me gave some figures.

Is motoring cheaper now? - craig-pd130

The answer is: probably more expensive if buying new, but if buying used, cheaper overall.

In 1971, 4-star fuel was 35p / gal at the pump, which is about £3.50 / gallon today. The equivalent gallon of today's super unleaded is over £6.

I couldn't find the price of a new Viva HB is 1971, but a 1971 Viva 1800 SL was £1,121.16p new, or about £11,000 today (road test is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/triggerscarstuff/sets/72157624652726554/with/4860529324/)

I reckon a mid-range Astra is the closest equivalent in the Vx range (although even a Corsa would have more interior space than the 70s Viva, and much better performance). A mid-range Astra 1.4 petrol is about £20K depending on trim, which is much more expensive in relative terms than the Viva. But if you went for a new mid-range Corsa, prices are much closer relatively.

And of course the used car market is completely different these days. 70s cars were utter rotboxes so buying used back then was a real lottery. In contrast, a manufacturer-approved used car will come with the balance of the warranty, etc,

The average wage for a “full-time manual worker” in 1971 was £29 per week, equivalent to about £15,000 today (interestingly, a little below today’s adult minimum wage).

Is motoring cheaper now? - Bromptonaut

The average wage for a “full-time manual worker” in 1971 was £29 per week, equivalent to about £15,000 today (interestingly, a little below today’s adult minimum wage).

That's the key I think. At least until last 10yrs wages rose faster than prices. The 'real terms' cash cost of a gallon of fuel is one thing the number of hours of work required to buy it is another.

Our comparator year of 1971 was before the fuel crisis in 73/4 ended cheap crude. What was price of a gallon in say 1975 and how does it compare to today.

I'd guess that if you buy wisely and spread depreciation by making full use of modern cars' longevity then motoring is as cheap as it's ever been.

Is motoring cheaper now? - craig-pd130

Our comparator year of 1971 was before the fuel crisis in 73/4 ended cheap crude. What was price of a gallon in say 1975 and how does it compare to today.

By '75, 4 star had increased to 73p - effectively double what it was in 1971, and equivalent to about £6 today.

The AA has a handy list here: www.theaa.com/public_affairs/reports/Petrol_Prices...f

Is motoring cheaper now? - SteveLee
That's the key I think. At least until last 10yrs wages rose faster than prices. The 'real terms' cash cost of a gallon of fuel is one thing the number of hours of work required to buy it is another.

I think you'll find wage rises in real terms stopped in the early 2000s when a certain one-eyed Scottish idiot gave the banksters control of interest rates, the rest, as they say - is history.

Motoring was cheaper in one way and is now cheaper in another. In the 80s you could easily pick up a car that needed work for a fiver, spend £30-40 quite fixing it up and enjoy six months to a year motoring for next to nothing. As cars become more sophisticated simple electronic faults means there's no way of getting them past an MOT test. But if you buy a two year old car at the budget end of the spectrum now and look after it - it way well give 15 years relatively trouble-free motoring - that's how motoring can be cheaper now.

Is motoring cheaper now? - Andrew-T

<< I'd guess that if you buy wisely and spread depreciation by making full use of modern cars' longevity then motoring is as cheap as it's ever been. >>

... which is borne out by the number of people who consider it as their only sensible method of transport. Food is also as cheap in real terms as it has ever been, without considering the vastly greater choice available. To counteract all that, housing is a lot dearer, especially in the south-east, where nearly everyone is forced to commute (assuming they would not prefer that anyway). If/when interest rates finally rise, everyone with a huge mortgage could be in deep trouble.

Is motoring cheaper now? - John F

Of course it is. Or can be. When I was young, pensioners, most unmarried young men and women, and most housewives couldn't afford a car. Or if they did, they went without lots of other things. In 1975 fewer than 50% of households had a car. What has changed is the inequality of expenditure, reflecting the inequality of wealth after seventy years of post-war peace and prosperity. E.g. a nearby house has three Mercedes in the drive, one of which, an S class coupe, will depreciate more in two years than my personal cars have cost over nearly forty years. Another has a V reg Astra - nuff said!

Is motoring cheaper now? - Engineer Andy

Additionally, what cars are today cannot be compared to that from the 1970s - I remember as a young kid when it was a big thing when my Dad's new company car (a Ford Escort) came with wing mirror on 'both sides' or later on the 1980s with 'cloth seats' instead of the horrible vinyl, never mind a radio/cassette player or modern ICE/gizmos like safety systems or better reliability.

Whilst improvements in cars haven't been as great as say computers (coming from a much lower base in earlier stages of their development), we still get far more for our money than we used to, which is probably why very few makes now (e.g. Dacia) offer basic 'poverty spec' cars in the richer industrialised nations, only in the Third World.

An equivalent to the old Viva (even the latest one is way over-specced in comparison) could likely be produced and marketed for about £5k - £6k, maybe less if it came without all the modern equipment like electric windows, the most modern safety systems, etc. Would we buy it in great numbers - probably not, as we expect far more (even with the Dacias) nowadays, though I think makes now deliberately add more features, even on lower end models just to justify price increases when they production costs are falling due to implementation of new tech/materials/methods of production etc.

Is motoring cheaper now? - SLO76
Proof is in the pudding. In the 70’s many families didn’t have a car at all and those who did had one at best while a quick drive through any housing estate today and every drive and road is cluttered with second and often third cars. I have an ordinary job as a bus driver and our car park at work is full of expensive metal including new Golf R’s and high spec BMW’s which ordinary Joes could only dream of in the 70’s. The availability of cheap finance is a big part of making this affordable but running a car has become much cheaper as a share of family income today.
Is motoring cheaper now? - carl233

drive through any housing estate today and every drive and road is cluttered with second and often third cars. I have an ordinary job as a bus driver and our car park at work is full of expensive metal including new Golf R’s and high spec BMW’s

As I have said in many threads before something does not add up when people which are low earners are driving very expensive motors. People seem to think it is some kind of status symbol to drive a high spec BMW for £xx per month and then hand it back after three years and keep nothing! Not sure how we ended up in a society in which that in some way increases a persons status.

To me an increase in financial status is being mortgage free of a real freehold asset and having a solid plan to retire.

Is motoring cheaper now? - sandy56

Providing you dont drive a high performance/ high maintenance car then owning and using a car can be cheapish.

Assuming you have not bought an unreliable car, and there is plenty of those about.

In the bad old days rust killed cars, now it seems to be a lack of expertise in garages,even main dealers, dealing with overly complicated cars, and parts no longer available.

Is motoring cheaper now? - thunderbird

Bought my first car as a 17 year old in 1974 earning about £20 a week (less deductions). It cost me £100 for what would be considered an un-roadworthy 10 year old wreck these days. Petrol was about 35 pence a gallon but I remember it going up to 50 pence a gallon late in the year, that was quite a shock, imagine petrol going for £1.20 a litre today to £1.71 a litre by the new year.

The National Minimum wage for a 17 year old today is £4.20 an hour, £168 for a 40 hour week (less deductions of course). Petrol is £5.45 a gallon.

So my car cost 5 weeks wages and 5 gallons of petrol cost me 9% of a weeks wage.

5 weeks wages would get todays 17 year old a £840 and from what I have seen for sale locally that would be a far better car (but older) than the one I bought back in 74. 5 gallons of petrol would cost them 16% of their wages thus they are worse off in that respect.

Overall I think that todays 17 year old is getting far more for their money than I did, probably why more 17 year olds drive these days.

Also had a think about dad. He bought his first new car in 1972, a 2 litre Mk 3 Cortina, cost about £1200 (probably because it was the "L" spec and had absolutely no kit whatsoever. He was earning about £30 a week (before deductions), £1560 a year. Simple sums suggest that he would have worked 40 weeks to buy the car. I seem to remember he normally would buy £1 of petrol a time which was 3 gallons.

He's retired now but based on his pension he would currently be earning about £25,000 a year. 40 weeks wage would get you a £19500 car which looking for a car a similar size and power would probably be a Ford Focus and £19500 would get you a very nice one which is way better kitted out than a 1972 Cortina, if you want something similar sized but really basic probably the only suggestion I would make would be a Dacia Logan MCV which with the better engine (to get similar power) and trim is £10,095.

40 weeks wage would get him a similar main stream car but if he wanted to go bargain basement he could spend 21 weeks wage on a Dacia. Going bargain basement in 1972 was also possible of course, that would have been a Skoda or Lada, but whereas the Dacia is acceptable the 1972 Skoda and Lada were rubbish.

As with me petrol is going to cost a greater percentage of his wage now.

As far as servicing goes no idea what 1972 rates were but they did need doing every 6,000 miles, some had an oil change every 3,000 miles. Cannot see the overall being much different to be honest.

Insurance in 1974 as a 17 year old cost me £40 a year, 2 weeks wage. Today prices are terrifying from what apprentices at work pay so I think it definitely was better for us. Dad was paying £20 a year back in the early 70's (1/2 what I was paying 3rd party for a rusty wreck) which was about 66% of a weeks wage. I pay just under £200 a year currently which would be 40% of dads projected earnings.

Good

17 year olds get more car for their money than I did.

Insurance for mature drivers is cheaper.

Similar sized car cost a similar percentage but is better equipped.

Cheaper but still good cars are available.

Bad

Petrol is more expensive.

Insurance for young drivers is far more expensive.

But lets not forget that today there are a large number of pre-reg and nearly new cars available at huge savings plus there are brokers out there that will save you large sums. Using those sources would either save you money or mean you could get more for your money.

I personally think its far better these days.

Is motoring cheaper now? - FoxyJukebox

Excellent inflation comparisons!

In 1971 most households "did" with one car. Nowdays, apart from in congested metropolitan areas where actual car ownership is low, every driver in the household who has a licence owns their own car, hence the 4 vehicles for 4 people outside the house syndrome.

Is motoring cheaper now? - Andrew-T

In 1971 most households "did" with one car. Nowadays, apart from in congested metropolitan areas where actual car ownership is low, every driver in the household who has a licence owns their own car, hence the 4 vehicles for 4 people outside the house syndrome.

So any available space in front of a house is paved over for parking, usually without allowing for lost drainage potential. Faster runoff, flooding, and we all know the results.

Is motoring cheaper now? - madf

In 1971 most households "did" with one car. Nowadays, apart from in congested metropolitan areas where actual car ownership is low, every driver in the household who has a licence owns their own car, hence the 4 vehicles for 4 people outside the house syndrome.

So any available space in front of a house is paved over for parking, usually without allowing for lost drainage potential. Faster runoff, flooding, and we all know the results.

I can't afford enough cars to fill my parking space... :-)

Is motoring cheaper now? - Bolt

In 1971 most households "did" with one car. Nowadays, apart from in congested metropolitan areas where actual car ownership is low, every driver in the household who has a licence owns their own car, hence the 4 vehicles for 4 people outside the house syndrome.

So any available space in front of a house is paved over for parking, usually without allowing for lost drainage potential. Faster runoff, flooding, and we all know the results.

Trouble is a lot don't use their space on the drive, they still park on the road because half the family would need to move their cars for one to get out, and as a fair few are unable to manoeuvre a car, some of the family park on the road

considering the general idea is to get parked cars off the road to make traffic flow easier in certain roads, it hasn't worked and traffic flow is still terrible....so that worked well lol

Is motoring cheaper now? - Alby Back
It may well be to do with affordability, but it may also be to do with lifestyle. My parents were what used to be described as "comfortably off", but they only ever had one car between them. My father used it most of the time even though my mother had a driving licence.

She maintained that she preferred to walk or cycle as it kept her fit, and only rarely used the car. Most of our neighbours seemed to be the same. Now, a common sight is overweight mothers dropping their equally well padded children at school gates from their oversized SUV.
Is motoring cheaper now? - Andrew-T

<< Trouble is a lot don't use their space on the drive, they still park on the road because half the family would need to move their cars for one to get out, and as a fair few are unable to manoeuvre a car, some of the family park on the road >>

Many oldies on here may remember the TV sitcom Butterflies, where that happened at least once per episode, usually involving a Mini with a Union Jack roof.