Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind.

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Sat 5 May 2018 00:48
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - pullgees

I was clocked for speeding but there was another vehicle between myself and the patrol car. I'm sure with the state of th art cameras this is possible once your in view say on a bend, but is this correct police procedure?

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Sat 5 May 2018 07:20
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - RobJP

If they can prove you were speeding 'to the satisfaction of the court' then that is all that matters.

And even on a bend, the laser systems (assuming that is what in use) completely ignore other vehicles and 'track' the car they are focussed on

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Sat 5 May 2018 08:49
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - KenC

you have given so little information its hard to imagine what may have happened

Do you know how your speed was calculated ? were you show the device that was used ?

or was it two police officers together estimating your speed from watching/following you over a long distance and at a high speed, maybe you were were travelling faster than the second car and that was why you were stopped

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Sat 5 May 2018 09:45
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - pullgees

I was doing 35mph approaching a 50mph stretch of road. As the patrol car was behind another vehicle I didn't even notice it and was not stopped. Judging by the photo it got a clear view of me as I went round a rh bend. it looks like the patrol car pulled out into the middle of the road to clock me but was unable to overtake the vehicle iin front. According to the info on my case file viewable online. an LTI 20.20 ultra light 1000 camera was used

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Sat 5 May 2018 10:02
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - Leif
Whilst I don’t have any sympathy for you - for one thing you should have seen him in your rear view mirror - I wonder if the camera is calibrated for clocking someone going round a bend? Is the offence baed on a measurement taken while you were cornering, or is that just recording your plate, and he was satisfied you were speeding by for example following you for a wee while?
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Sat 5 May 2018 10:44
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - KenC

From the information you have given and my understanding of it ( I may be wrong)

I am thinking that the police car was following you ( eg moving at about the same speed) if correct the device must have been used whilst the police vehicle was moving and by a passenger.

I have no idea what the local guidelines are for use of this device in the area where you were stopped, i suggest you do your own research and look for potential "breaches of the operating guidelines".

eg study the manufacturers operating instructions, imagine how these might apply to your circumstances.

www.northants.police.uk/sites/default/files/Operat...f

eg is a moving detection permitted ? or ONLY at a roadside check ?

eg do the airwave radio systems HAVE to be turned off during the use of this device ? ( to prevent false readings etc) remember there maybe more than one radio system in play a vehicle system and one for each officer. If they should have been turned off there should be proof of this somewhere in the case file eg a sentence in the evidence statement that says " The device was used in accordance with the manufacturers instructions"

Edited by KenC on 05/05/2018 at 10:45

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Sat 5 May 2018 11:58
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - pullgees

Thank you that was useful. These cameras ae designed to be hand held or tripod mounted and in my area they are used by mobile units, which I take to understand are stationary camera vans or motor cycles parked up in laybys. Yet the photo shows that the picture was taken from the middle of the road. Maybe there wsn't a patrol car, yet what is the operator doing in the middle of the road? I can't understand it. Maybe I should write to the Speed Enforcement Unit Bristol and get some clarification.

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Sat 5 May 2018 15:07
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - Middleman

Maybe I should write to the Speed Enforcement Unit Bristol and get some clarification.

I assume that since you were not stopped at the time of the incident you have received a "Notice of Intended Prosecution" and request for driver's details. So before you make any enquiries you need to respond to that request naming yourself as the driver within the 28 days allowed. Failure to do so will result in a more serious charge of "Failing to provide driver's details" which means a court appearance and, if convicted, a hefty fine, six points and insurance grief for up to five years.

Any enquiries you make does not stop the 28 day clock but they may result in you not being offered a speed awareness course or fixed penalty if appropriate. The police may take the view that you are challenging the allegation and refer the matter to court.

Challenging a speeding allegation in court on a technical basis such as you describe is not easy and you will almost certainly need to enlist expert help. The cost of failure is high. The prosecution will ask for around £600 in costs (or more if they have to enlist expert help themselves) and this will be in addition to your fine.

Edited by Middleman on 05/05/2018 at 15:52

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Sat 5 May 2018 17:07
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - Steveieb
Surprised to see a Mobile speed camera operating at 2045 hrs

A retired Chief Inspector told me to not to worry as the teams only operate 9 to 5 Monday to Friday.
How wrong was he !
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Tue 8 May 2018 13:33
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - Gibbo_Wirral
Surprised to see a Mobile speed camera operating at 2045 hrs

They were out until 9pm in my area last week.

www.otsnews.co.uk/93-motorists-captured-speeding-f.../

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Sat 5 May 2018 17:14
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - pullgees

I've filled up the form and sent it off.

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Sat 5 May 2018 20:03
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - focussed

I don't know what they think they are playing at - the LTI 20.20 ultra light 1000 camera that was used is type approved for static operation, not from a following car.

The only device that is approved for use from a following car is the Vascar-type kit - essentially a fancy expensive stop-watch.

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Sat 5 May 2018 22:15
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - catsdad
Is the OP sure it was a patrol car that took the picture? Couldn't it have been a static camera location either at the roadside or on a bridge. From whats been said so far there didnt seem to be a clear sight of any police car.
And even if a police car were there it could be coincidental and I doubt they'd be interested in a car doing a speedo indicated 35 in a 30 zone.
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Sun 6 May 2018 00:40
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - Middleman

…I doubt they'd be interested in a car doing a speedo indicated 35 in a 30 zone.

Well they were obviously interested in something because he’s got a NIP and a S172 request to provide the driver’s details.

The choice for the OP is straightforward. He can either accept the Speed Awareness (SAC) course or Fixed Penalty Offer (FPO), one or both of which is almost certain to be offered provided he is eligible or he can decline them and take the matter to court. Only then will he be provided with the evidence the police intend to rely on to secure a conviction against him. He has to decide now because he will not see the evidence until the opportunity for the SAC or FPO is lost.

Edited by Middleman on 06/05/2018 at 00:41

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Sun 6 May 2018 08:03
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - catsdad
True middleman. But of course we still don't know what speed limit applied, what speed he's being done for and what his speedo reading was.

My money is still on a static camera at the roadside with any police car being coincidental.
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Sun 6 May 2018 10:00
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - Leif
Is the OP sure it was a patrol car that took the picture? Couldn't it have been a static camera location either at the roadside or on a bridge. From whats been said so far there didnt seem to be a clear sight of any police car. And even if a police car were there it could be coincidental and I doubt they'd be interested in a car doing a speedo indicated 35 in a 30 zone.

The OP has seen the photo and that would make it clear if it was taken from a bridge. You could still tell if it was taken from a stationary van or a moving patrol car. A van is much higher up, so the view will be different albeit less obvious than from a bridge. It could have been a hand held camera at the road side though.

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Sun 6 May 2018 11:19
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - Middleman

It makes no difference because his options are still the same. It is unlikely he was travelling too fast for a SAC or FP ("I was doing 35...") but if he was the only difference it would make is that the matter will go straight to court. Then he will see the evidence to enable him to make his plea. He won't see that before deciding whether to accept a SAC or FP.

Edited by Middleman on 06/05/2018 at 11:20

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Sun 6 May 2018 11:32
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - Manatee

The OP has seen the photo and that would make it clear if it was taken from a bridge. You could still tell if it was taken from a stationary van or a moving patrol car. A van is much higher up, so the view will be different albeit less obvious than from a bridge.

I don't think that follows at all, given that this type of camera can work from well over 1/4 mile away.

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Mon 7 May 2018 17:54
Speeding. Patrol car two vehicles behind. - hillman

If the photograph was taken from the police car or from a bridge, surely the photograph, if taken from the police car, would show the car between. I wonder if they charged the car between.

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