If somebody wants to overtake me then I will gladly oblige happy in the knowledge that if Mr Plod is further up the road I wont be the one who is stopped.
The Freelanders driving could be classed as dangerous and in some cases would probably lead to the kind of road rage incidents we hear about.
Like others have said its him with the problem so its not worth risking yourself for the sake of saving time off your journey.
Having said that, such incidents can raise the stress levels !
(Steve - Number 3)
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Simple solution to all this. If you're struggling to overtake a Freelander diesel on a straight, then get a faster car.
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The Freelander driver was clearly behaving like a child (with apologies to children).
It\'s this sort of selfish driving that you don\'t seem to see in other countries.
It shouldn\'t matter what the speed is at the time of the incident, if someone wishes to pass you, then try to let them do so (at least try not to stop them). The roads are crowded enough as it is without this sort of pettyness.
What does it gain anyone to irritate like this? I would have to assume that such a person works for a local authority (highways department) or some such department with a \"bit\" of power, often used to frustrate the driver (or maybe someone with no other type of power at all in their life).
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If I can chip in here, as the owner of a very powerful car I have experienced this many, many times. It seems certain people would prefer to witness a head-on collision (fatal) then be overtaken by a sports car on a long and safe straight.
What these people need to understand, before they deliberately speed up to prevent me overtaking, is that faced with a potential head-on, its far safer for me to just side swipe them off the road. At least I get to survive, even if they don't.
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In all the posts supporting SteveB there is the usual assertion of a divine right by the person behind (who is perceiving themselves as the more *important* driver) to make a certain manoeuvre, perhaps at the expense of the Freelander's progress.
A FL turbo diesel has this excellent mid range torque such that the FL driver may have been simply pulling away normally and been unaware he was giving a 150bhp car such trouble.
But the real point of the problem here is how would the Freelander driver know you were going to drive faster than him for the rest of the journey anyway? He could have deferred to your overtake only to find you held him up on the straights.
No stick me in a corner with Cyd and TrevP here, let the folks who hassle you at the end of a 30 limit pass after you have both settled to the open road speed limit. If they don't have the power to safely do so then tough.
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I think a lot depends on the situation. In general someone who is prepared to try and overtake isn't going to then potter along holding you up. If they are prepared to try and get past then it's safest to let them do so.
If you are honestly making a decent effort to make progress and are obviously holding up a car behind you, then what you do is down to your personality really - you can either do them a favour and make it easy for them to pass where safe, or you can ignore them and get on with that you are doing. TBH, IMO as long as you are making a decent attempt then it's up to you.
However, if you are either unsure of the road or where you want to be, or are simply pottering then it's a bit b*****-minded to actively prevent people passing.
Whether you make room for them to pass or just let them find an opportunity is up to you - actively making it hard is not really on.
What I find probably most annoying are the 'roaring 40's' type drivers who cruise up behind you in a 30 limit, pass because they want to do 40 rather than the limit, then once it opens out to 60 only accelerate up to about 45 so you catch them and get held up more...
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>>What I find probably most annoying are the 'roaring 40's' type drivers who cruise up behind you in a 30 limit, pass because they want to do 40 rather than the limit, then once it opens out to 60 only accelerate up to about 45 so you catch them and get held up more...
Absolutely Steve and this behaviour can be extended to those who *force* past in the last few yard of the 30 limit, or while you're gaining speed on the exit, assuming because you *only* did 30 in a village then you'll poodle on the open road.
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SteveB,
Without being there it is hard to say but I think that you might be in the wrong (I'm not trying to be antagonistic or anything)
Basically you were putting yourself in danger by trying to overtake an accelerating car, who was driving in a manner that I do. I obey the speed limits in town and then open up a bit when the NSL signs appear.
If you were going to overtake the Freelander surely it would have been better to do it when he wasn't trying to legally double his speed, but wait until he had slowed his acceleration.
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Sounds like a typical Freelander driver. Big chip on shoulder because they can't afford a proper 4x4. Out-gunned by a TD4 what on earth were you driving?
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I agree with CM, he was perfectly within his rights to accelerate out of the NSL and under no obligation to let you by. Why should he? He had the intention of driving at NSL (as you mentioned) and slowing for corners (I usually do that too) so your move probably looked and felt intentionally and unnecessarily aggressive to him.
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btw I can be cruel with my torque too - there is a one way, two lane road here which splits into a T at the end, each side of a bollard. So if you are filtering right you use the right lane and for filtering left use the left lane. The main flow of traffic is going right.
The exception is the Saxo boys who tear up the left (30 mph limit) intending to turn right, then force themselves in at the last minute. Well, not in front of me they don't. One stopped within about an inch of the bollard with huge squeal of tyres, and another two have had to take the left turn which they didn't really want to. The wonders of torque...
I've also caused people to miss their turn off motorways slip roads (notably M3 to Bagshot) when they carve in at the last minute expecting me to drop back and let them in front (and I MEAN the LAST minute - after the slip road has already started, they are still in lane2, yes, THOSE ones).
Yes I'm proud of these little bits of recklessness. Oh, and generally I am a very considerate driver and will allow people out/in/whatever where I believe they have made a genuine mistake or misjudgement. Feel free to point out the error of my ways, I already know them!!! :-)
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Sad to say, smokie, but I'd subscribe that chain of thought. I don't like people who try and get away with thing and while I won't actively oppose them or create a dangerous situation, neither will I sit around and just let them take the mick.
Even then it can get you in some dangerous situations - like when some idiot in a Mondeo almost drove me in to a line of parked cars when trying to exit a roundabout in a second lane that wasn't there. I can only assume he was expecting me to have seen him almost alongside me indicating to come off and slammed the anchors on so me could get off before me. As it was, he exited part alongside me and then accelerated hard, mirrors almost touching so I couldn't move out as I needed to.
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Goodness gracious: don't you people have jobs? Why on earth are you spending so long on the internet discussing something as banal as overtaking? Haven't you heard of reading a book, going for a walk in the country or watching an intellectually stimulating film?
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Glad you found us Ex.
I was just thinking along similar lines...every time I intend leaving, someone updates a post. Just can't tear myself away today...
(Are there any intellectually stimulating films? I've virtually given up all screen "entertainment" in recent years, except the computer screen of course...)
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Ah but now you're one of us Exsanguinator...don't hate yourself too much
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Ah but now you're one of us Exsanguinator...don't hate yourself too much
Lol, he wll grow to hate himself for this, over time.
Exsangwhatever - welcome, and give us a chance before dismissing us?
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Absolutely spot on Smokie. The trick is to predict the ones who are going to pull a fast one at the last minute. It doesn't half put the anticipation and observation skills to the test.
Very satisfying to give a nutjob something to think about and add a bit on to their journey as well. :)
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Hmm. There might soon be some Russian tanks going cheap. One careful owner, Iraqi markings on side, one or two recently added ventilation holes. One of those'd teach a boy racer a lesson.
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" Hmm. There might soon be some Russian tanks going cheap. One
careful owner, Iraqi markings on side, one or two recently added
ventilation holes. One of those'd teach a boy racer a lesson."
But they just might be in desert camouflage, one version of which is (or at least used to be) pink. Bring back any memories?
Sitting firmly in the unpopular corner here with Cyd, TrevP and DWR
The only exception to that is that when the vehicle starts its overtake if
a) I'm pre acceleration point or
b)mid acceleration mode, ie up to about 50, then I hold exactly whatever speed I've reached at that point in time.
i.e. let em get past until it becomes clear that a change in speed down (or even up) is necessary as required by the circumstances.
The principle being that starting or continuing to accelerate hard could be seen as a spoiling manoeuvre. Better the enemy in front than behind.
However, and this might just be an observation on the segment of driving population who do this it's more often that I'm subsequently held up in the NSL following as they eventually settle down and bumble on at their own comfort speed. ho hum
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I think there are two different driving factors that can contribute to this problem. Firstly, many people simply aren't happy to stick to low speed limits. I think less than 5% of drives around here are happy to stick to 30 and I've been ribbed at work a few times for doing so myself. The drivers that want to speed usually assume that as you'll stick to 30 then you'll bumble along once the limit increases. As I noted above, many of them will not do the full limit themselves, but will pass because they perceive you to be slower.
The other problem is that some drivers (such as myself) are more prepared to take risks on NSL roads - after all, technically you should take corners slowly enough to avoid obstacles around them which in most cases is a lot slower than they can be comfortably taken in a modern car. It's satisfying and does allow you to make good progress though.
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