MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

Hi all

My Mum has just inherited a classic icon from her uncle a lovely 1962 300sl roadster. It has been in a garage coverd up since before I was born I think the year was 1982 from what my mum told me. My mum can't drive but I think her uncle left it to her as she used to enjoy being driven in it as a child so I've Been asked to move it to secure storage for her.

I'm inclined to get the car taxd and tested and drive it but have reservations on its ability to start and how being sat up for 34 years might have affectedit. Body wise it's in superb condition.

Should I get it on a low loader and then assess the car what do backroomers suggest. My mum has told me I can use the car on weekends (she won't let me use it as a daily driver) as long as I insure and tax the car and maintain it.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Edited by dan86 on 12/09/2016 at 20:23

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - Happy Blue!

In a word....don't.

34 years not driven will mean in all likelihood lots of perished rubber, including tyres and hoses, fluids that are well out of date and brakes untested. You need a very good mechanic who will trailer the car away and spend some time giving it a good once over before even thinking about an MOT. You want a mechanic who understands classic cars, not just your regular back street Joe who may be wonderful on a ten year old Golf.

It sounds lovely but this is a costly hobby. ...

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - madf

I agree with Happy Blue above.

There WILL be rust in the petrol tank - that means if you put petrol in it and the fuel pump works, teh fuel filter will block with rust and you may clog up the injectors.

ALL the rubber components will have to be replaced. The cooling system will need to be cleaned out.The braking sytem will need to be stripped and rebuilt.

You need a mechanic with prctical experience of these cars, who knows what will need doing and where to acquire spares.

This will NOT be cheap... £10,000s +

The car when restored will be worth well into the £100k ++ range depnding upon its history. NOT a car to be driven without great care..

And not cheap to insure either.

You will need a locked and alarmed garage as it could be a thief magnet..

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - bathtub tom

A lovely car to own, but I suspect a money-pit. Depends if its been dry stored in a rodent free environment and why was it laid up in the first place?

These rust just like any other car of that age.

As others have suggested, unless you've got bottomless pockets, walk away.

The best option may be for it to be auctioned as it is.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

The car has been in a dry heated garage under a cover le. It was parked up because the owner had an accident that meant he could no longer drive but couldn't bear to part with the car. All the paperwork with the car shows services up until September 1981 ando was taken off the road in march 1982.

Edited by dan86 on 12/09/2016 at 20:59

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

I am very tempted to get everything sorted on the car and use it as a summer weekend car. In my opinion it is one of the most beautiful cars ever made.

I do need someone to convince me that it is a bad idea.

Edited by dan86 on 12/09/2016 at 21:05

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - oldroverboy.

If this is a real proposition,

YOU MUST NOT LET ANY TOM DICK OR HARRY NEAR IT.

This is from someone who helped a lot of now classic jaguar owners to locate bits and get them fixed .

This will cost you absolutely silly money to restore to a safe driving condition.

Find a specialist and they will give you a starting quote for a mechanical restoration and be prepared to have deep pockets. AND before you move it, get agreed value classic car insurance.

I sincerely hope for you that you will take the above advice

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

Thank you for the advice. I've got a couple of properties and have been looking to sell one to release some capital for home improvements just need to convince SWMBO that some of that capital should be used to restore the car. I can do a lot of the work myself but as people have said getting parts will be the hard part. If I get it transported to the secure storage I can spend weekends working on the car. The engine and gearbox would go off to a specialist for any work but all the other bits I could tackle.

The body and roof are in excellent condition. It's just do I keep it, would probably ruin me or do I get my mum to sell it?

Does any one know of a classic car restorer on south London Bromley area?

How much do backroomers think it would be worth as is and fully restored?

Sorry for all the questions.

Edited by dan86 on 12/09/2016 at 23:01

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - John F

How much do backroomers think it would be worth as is ........

I wonder what its valuation for the grant of probate for your great uncle's estate was? If auctioned and the price gained was in excess, there might be IHT issues!

Edited by John F on 15/09/2016 at 09:50

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - focussed

Reading up on the 300 SL here:-

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercedes-Benz_300_SL

It has an unusual Bosch mechanical high pressure direct petrol injection fuel system.

I wouldn't advise attempting to start it-get it to an expert first.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - Wackyracer

Probably not what you want to hear but, the most sensible thing to do would be to auction it.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - Avant

Indeed that would be sensible.... but whoever said that classic car ownership was sensible?!

As others have said, you do need to put the car into the hands of an expert - preferably someone recommended by people who have had work done on Mercedes. Get quotes and work out whether you and/or your mum can afford it. If not, then sadly flogging it is the only option. If you can, good luck!

Edited by Avant on 13/09/2016 at 13:07

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - Wackyracer

Actually, I know just the people for this. O'keefe coach trimming services in Warlingham, Surrey. They specialise in restoring these old Mercs. I used to go to a business in the same building as them and remember seeing a Gullwing in there at the time.

Might be worth a phone call and a chat, they should be able to give you a ball park figure of what it might cost to get it on the road.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

Actually, I know just the people for this. O'keefe coach trimming services in Warlingham, Surrey. They specialise in restoring these old Mercs. I used to go to a business in the same building as them and remember seeing a Gullwing in there at the time.

Might be worth a phone call and a chat, they should be able to give you a ball park figure of what it might cost to get it on the road.

Thanks I'll Google them and give them a call.

As mentioned above Classic car ownership isn't sensible. The main reason I really want to get the car running is ultimately the car will be mine on day if mum hangs on to the car.

Edited by dan86 on 13/09/2016 at 05:48

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - Paulsxf

If you want an idea of what is involved on an old Mercedes that has been stood then check out this YouTube series

https://youtu.be/zaIylfUj5z8

Not all applicable but a lot is (especially fuel system).

It aint an afternoons work!

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

Thanks I'll take a look. I've had the car moved on a low loader handbrake wasn't seized it was winched on to the back of the truck and moved to its new location. I'm going to phone around and get a few quotes and then we will decide weather to keep or sell as is.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - oldroverboy.

Do please let us know what happens, if you want you can give some details to HJ on the ask a question bit (he won't tell anyone where the car is) (or indeed anything that you don't want published)

and it will be nice for all of us if it gets you back on the road.

Mercedes have their own place in germany to refresh and refurbish these cars, won't be cheap, (but the very least the car deserves)

Good luck!

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - brum

From wikipedia

"Today, the 300 SL with its gull wing doors, technological firsts, and low production numbers is considered one of the most collectible Mercedes-Benz models, with prices generally in the US$1,000,000–2,500,000 range. [6] Sports Car International magazine ranked the 300 SL as the number 5 sports car of all time."

The OP needs to take great care of it. Its worth its weight in gold. I just hate to think what IHT implication may be, you may be forced to sell it just to pay the tax man. Good luck!

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - John F

The OP needs to take great care of it. Its worth its weight in gold. I just hate to think what IHT implication may be, you may be forced to sell it just to pay the tax man. Good luck!

Not quite - current gold price £32,000,000 per 1000Kg, if I've got my decimal points right.

Hopefully the uncle had the foresight to gift it to his niece at least 7yrs before he died.....but somehow I doubt it.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - SteVee

While it's doubtless expensive to put back on the road - and keep roadworthy, I always like to see classics like this with a long history in one family, rather than just the latest bling for some overpaid 'sleb (or similar).
I would also like to hear what you decide.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

Over the weekend I've had a chanceto have a proper goole inspection of the car and as it sits the bodywork is immaculate not a single scratch or blemish in the paint work (It needs a polish). Underneath is completely solid no rust anywhere. The interior is spotless the leather will need a good condition to bring it up to its best and the roof fits nicely no rips anywhere.

The engine turns over by hand with a wrench so it's not seized up so that's a good sign. I have drain the cooling system and the oil out of the engine the oil wasnt that dirty but old obviously but the coolant was awful so if I do decide to have the car restored the whole cooling system will probably need replacing.

My next step us to contact a specialist about what thelse cost are involved. If my mI'm and I decided to get the car running and back on the road I'll probably both a lot of the work myself like the breaks and suspension and replacing fuel lines ect (I'm competent with the spanners) but I'd have the engine, transmission and differential rebuilt by a specialist.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - John F

.....but I'd have the engine, transmission and differential rebuilt by a specialist.

Why? If it's been well looked after during a mere 20yrs on the road the mechanicals should be in near perfect condition unless the mileage is unduly high. I would just pour a little thin oil into each cylinder, turn it over a few times and then pressure test it in case the head gasket has corroded.

If it works, don't mend it!

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

You're very right John F if a compression test comes up good then like you say if it work's don't mend.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - madf

IF the car is original, then you may be betetr off doing minimal restoration.

An original car in excellent bodily condition with good mechanics is far more appealing to many collectors than a restored one.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

Have done a compression test and the compression is good so I've ordered new filters, oil, spark plugs and breaks and have flushed the entire cooling system and replaced all the rubber hoses in anticipation of trying to start the engine.

Will update you all later.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

I've got the car running changed all the filters sparkplugs ect overhauled the entire breaking system, cooling system and suspension . Cleaned the fuel system and new tyres all round, gearbox oil flushed as well.

All I've to do now is get ithe MOT'd.

It runs beautifully and on the private road where the lockup is it drove exceptionally well for a car of its age. Thanks for advice from everyone.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - John F

Well done, thanks for updating us. How old are the tyres?

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

The car has been off the road since 1982 so over 34 yeas old. They didn't look like that had seen much wear but I didn't want to risk the car on rubber that old.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - Happy Blue!

Correct. Likely to have suffered oxidisation (i.e. perished somewhat and the tread will have become friable), so quite unsafe at high speeds.

MERCEDES-BENZ 300sl roadster - Long time since started - dan86

The car passed it's MOT without a single advisory but I'm thinking to maybe keep it off the road until spring next year.