Audi S3 - Imports - Billsboy

Have just purchased an ex demo car from a main dealer, about 6 months old.

When entering in the reg number to pay for the Dartford crossing, it came up with the suffix "S-A" after the model type.

This made me suspicious that it may be an import and I now notice that the car came via Paragon Automotive who seem to specialise in perparing imports for the UK market.

Am I being paranoid and even if it was imported, is that detrimental to its value?

It is not too late for me to return the car under the purchase terms if I have reasonable cause, so any comments would be welcome.

Audi S3 - Imports - RobJP

Why don't you ask them, straight out, if it was an import or not.

The obvious first step, before you start stressing over the "what if" scenarios.

Audi S3 - Imports - gordonbennet

Paragon took over many of Autologic's PDI centres when Stobart took over the transporters (now sold it on as most in the game expected).

All cars coming into the country go through some sort of PDI centre usually but not always Subaru/Izusu used to be processed at Gloucester, at ports where some parts and special orders can be fitted to the car, Paragon is one of the big players in this (that huge Portbury site one such), at the moment anyway, if your A3 was 3 years old or so it would probably have been through Autologic's PDI, doesn't necessarily mean it was a parallel or grey import.

Your Audi main dealer should be able to put your mind at rest here.

Edited by gordonbennet on 10/05/2016 at 10:30

Audi S3 - Imports - RT

Going through an outsourced import/PDI service shouldn't show on DVLA's records as they're doing it on behalf of the franchised UK dealer.

My VW Touareg was PDI'd at a multi-group outsourcing unit near Rugby, and then delivered by truck to my home without going anywhere near the dealer - the same outsourcing company provides local PDI services around the country so if there's any issues, they despatch a valeter locally to sort it.

Audi S3 - Imports - Billsboy

Many thanks. I intend to ask them but I was more concerned as to what my reaction should be if it turns out to be imported. Is it detrimental to depreciation values and was the date of manufacture the same as the registration document?

It is my own fault as I assumed that it was an ex demostrator but as this is the third ex demo I have purchased from this Dealer, I consider they should have told me.

I will let yoiu know the outcome.

Audi S3 - Imports - catsdad
You can check approx date of manufacture by dates in seat belt labels and plastic components such as ashtrays.
Audi S3 - Imports - RobJP

Many thanks. I intend to ask them but I was more concerned as to what my reaction should be if it turns out to be imported. Is it detrimental to depreciation values and was the date of manufacture the same as the registration document?

It is my own fault as I assumed that it was an ex demostrator but as this is the third ex demo I have purchased from this Dealer, I consider they should have told me.

I will let yoiu know the outcome.

As I've said, first find out if there's something to be concerned about, before borrowing trouble, and worrying about possibilities.

I've no idea if the same holds true for Audi, but for BMWs there are websites where you can type in your VIN and get date of manufacture, and other details.

For example, for my BMW, it states that it was manufactured on 8th April 2013 (registered on 20th May 2013), and it is specified on the codes as '812', which means it was destined for the UK market.

But as I say, no idea if that's the case for Audi or not.

Audi S3 - Imports - slkfanboy

All Audi's are imports the question was it imported by Audi UK or not. A grey import from spain may well have a signicantly differant spec to the UK and therefore value would be lower.

Grey import BMWs have issues when you ask BMW uk for warranty repair as they always ask orginal Invoice which the importer has not you. This maybe the same with Audi Uk.

Audi S3 - Imports - RobJP

Grey import BMWs have issues when you ask BMW uk for warranty repair as they always ask orginal Invoice which the importer has not you. This maybe the same with Audi Uk.

Absolute nonsense. Are you really trying to say that a secondhand (but still under warranty) BMW would expect to see the original invoice for the car before accepting a warranty claim ?

A number of years ago I bought a Range Rover, brand new, from Gibraltar. When it first went in to LR for a service they checked it over, confirmed the date of first registration (and that the car was new on that date, and had not been previously registered), and confirmed that the warranty ran for 3 years from that date.

Audi S3 - Imports - skidpan

I bought an imported Ford Puma many years ago. People at work scoffed saying there would be no warranty, no one would service it, no one would buy it etc etc.

When it went in for its first service at the local Ford dealer I explained it was a grey import but he appeared unconcerned. I took the servive book which was all in German and stamped by the dealer who did the PDI (think they were near Hamburg). One fault needed sorting, the boot release button on the remote did not work.

Collected car later that day. Paid price as quoted (same as UK car), key reprogrammed to sort boot release and they even replaced the German service book with an English one.

When I came to sell the car almost 6 trouble free years later not a single dealer was bothered it was an import. They all offered pretty much the same price based on the usual trade guides. One dealer (Honda) was quite upfront about it being an import, basically he would take anything except a Renault in PX.

So the only difference between a UK car and the import was the £3500 I saved when I bought it.

Audi S3 - Imports - Engineer Andy

My current Mazda3 was an EU import (RHD), originally that went to Cyprus and ended up on Motorpoint's books as many unsold EU RHD cars do (recently they've had many delivery miles VW Golfs with EU specs on sale, actually with a higher spec than the UK standard models [GTs with climate control instead of the standard A/C]).

Mine was a 1.6 TS2 saloon, with metalic paint, which had only a radio instead of the uk version's single-slot CD/radio (fortunately Motorpoint wrongly stated it had a CD player so I was refunded the price to install one at my local dealership), and front fog lamps in lieu of the traction and stability control systems (actually quite lucky to not have them, as these were systems which experienced problems [also across many cars of various makes using the same parts]). Other than them changing over the speedo to read mph, the car is exactly the same as the UK models in all other respects. No problems with servicing at dealerships and has (touch wood) been nearly faultless over ten years.

I suppose mine was a 'TS1.75', though I paid only £10,300 (actually less if the refund was taken into account) for a brand new car when the TS2 model's list price was of the order of the low-mid £14ks and even the lower spec TS was about £13-13.5k. Even if mine was worth less than the 'standard' UK spec model, the optional extras I added (I added a Mazda CD player [with MP3 capability], cassette player, boot liner, mud flaps and matching floor mats and still had a £3.5k saving to bank!) due to the great deal I'd got (the brokers' best price on a new UK-spec TS [not TS2] was £11.4k), so any reduction in value was more than negated by the extra kit I added and the huge saving (25%+) I was lucky enough to get over UK-sourced cars.

Any car designed to be sold anywhere in the EU (one of the few decent benefits of being a member) means that they must have transferable waranties across all the EU nations - I suspect only if the spec differs substantially or on an item of significance does it really impact on residual values to the owner, as with mine, an 'import' of this kind often attracts a decent discount over UK-sourced variants and thus just gets passed down the chain of owners over the years, probably more so when its newer when it matters more. With older cars like mine, condition is far more important than where the car was originally sold (as long as it has the EU CoC certificate and isn't a proper 'gery imprt' from outside the EU).

Edited by Engineer Andy on 11/05/2016 at 01:52

Audi S3 - Imports - RT

The EU-wide transferable warranty isn't always as long as we get in the UK - it used to be 12 months but AFAIK it's now 3 years - so any brand with more than 3 years in the UK may lose out.

Cars aren't "designed" to be sold anywhere in the EU, they're "Type Approved" to be sold throughout the EU - not the same thing.

There can be, and are, variations in specification - including cooling/heating (between northern and southern Europe) which can extend to engine/transmission heating/cooling and a myriad of other things.