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Just to say that I'd agree with GB, now that you know the service history (annual / 20k miles)
Walk away.
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Some have said about timing belts, but these are not a servicable part in the 1.0t engine, i understand.
As with many ford engine 12,500 service intervals is good new and if have been all done (important with any turbo engine) no reason to worry.
Clutch could be near the end of life depending on the car was driven and like to have some items like brakes pads and so on needing doing.
I don't see 85k has a big milage and would not worry to much, but understand some ware items are going to need doing.
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Thanks for your advice I'm going to walk away but with a heavy heart I really want to buy it but common sense has won the day cheers
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I'm going to walk away but with a heavy heart I really want to buy it but common sense has won the day
I think you are right to do so, had there been a bunch of receipts stapled to the service book showing fred blogs had slipped an oil change in between the annual services i'd have been quite happy to have considered the car in favourable light, not just for the extra oil changes but proof that the previous owner had mechanical sympathy.
No shortage of used cars, another will be along in a minute.
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Some have said about timing belts, but these are not a servicable part in the 1.0t engine, i understand.
According to Ford, the timing belt 'should' last the life of the engine. I wonder if they might retract that statement at some point?
I'm very suspicious of 3 cylinder engines. Many cars with 3 cylinder engines have shown the engines lives to be quite short.
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'Car buying is a bit like overtaking - if in doubt, don't.'
Can the techies provide a like button ?
Pilquin good to see someone who has posted and been open minded about responses.
Hope you find a good one.
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>>85000 miles the high miles is putting me off it has full service history and is >>£5500 do you think I should stay clear
Much has said above above service history & longevity of a new engine design.
Nobody has said that it is over priced - you can get a 6 mth old ex rental for well under £10k with only 7 to10K on the clock - a 3.5 yr old with 85K @ £5,500 seems really dear.
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I'm very suspicious of 3 cylinder engines. Many cars with 3 cylinder engines have shown the engines lives to be quite short.
Really? Which ones? They've come a long way since the AutoUnion 2 stroke of 50yrs ago. Rational evidence, not suspicion, please.
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Some of you will have read elsewhere on this forum that I know of a Focus 1.0 ecoboost owner who had engine failure at 40,000 miles as a result of coolant loss. He had his car serviced annually and was only doing about 10,000 miles a year.
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Known fault due to a brittle plastic hose which fractures and dumps the coolant. Hot turbo, no coolant = fail. Ford have now updated the hose from 2014 and swap the hose FOC on next service for older cars. Engine itself is solid, should have spent a few more pennies on the hose.
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Known fault due to a brittle plastic hose which fractures and dumps the coolant. Hot turbo, no coolant = fail. Ford have now updated the hose from 2014 and swap the hose FOC on next service for older cars. Engine itself is solid, should have spent a few more pennies on the hose.
Hose was replaced before failure. Coolant loss location was not found.
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I'm very suspicious of 3 cylinder engines. Many cars with 3 cylinder engines have shown the engines lives to be quite short.
Really? Which ones? They've come a long way since the AutoUnion 2 stroke of 50yrs ago. Rational evidence, not suspicion, please.
VW Polo's with 3 cylinder engines - notorious for burning out exhaust valves in cylinder 2.
Vauxhall Corsa 3 cylinder engines - very short engine life.
Rational evidence? JohnF ? you do make me laugh.
Edited by Wackyracer on 17/04/2016 at 22:00
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What is supposed to be the great advantage of having three cylinders?
It's not economy (unless you drive very sedately), and for the above it doesn't seem to be longevity either.
I can't help feeling that car engines have mostly had an even number of cylinders for a good reason all these years.
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Torque size and weight i suspect Avant, 330 cc per cyl has got to be a better bet than 250 and if its 50lbs lighter and shorter to boot, it makes design easier.
Some of them sound superb, indeed one of the NA one goes like hell, that being the 2 stroke fitted to Wartburgs, which would give a Jag of its a day a run for its money.
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Torque size and weight i suspect Avant, 330 cc per cyl has got to be a better bet than 250 and if its 50lbs lighter and shorter to boot, it makes design easier.
Some of them sound superb, indeed one of the NA one goes like hell, that being the 2 stroke fitted to Wartburgs, which would give a Jag of its a day a run for its money.
IIRC it was to do with balance problems using just 3 cylinders, but was overcome by using balance shafts rotating in the opposite direction to balance the engine out
Now I think they have improved the machining and materials of the engine to make a smoother more powerfull unit
their are a lot of sceptics regarding how long they last in cars but I reckon that will go away once theyve been proved
Edited by bolt on 18/04/2016 at 01:41
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IIRC it was to do with balance problems using just 3 cylinders, but was overcome by using balance shafts rotating in the opposite direction to balance the engine out
The Ford Ecoboost doesn't have a balance shaft, they purposely unbalanced the flywheel and crankshaft pulley to counteract the balance of the engine.
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IIRC it was to do with balance problems using just 3 cylinders, but was overcome by using balance shafts rotating in the opposite direction to balance the engine out
The Ford Ecoboost doesn't have a balance shaft, they purposely unbalanced the flywheel and crankshaft pulley to counteract the balance of the engine.
The combo of odly balanced flywheel and the unbalanced shaft provide the smoothness.
Ford like everyone is try to make an engine that meets the needs and has a low CO2 output.
Simply to meet claimed CO2 the engine uses the least turbo boost posiable. The small engine at idlie produces little CO2 and the modern elec controlled Turbo can be very precisely controlled to give balanced performance/CO2 figures.
So basically on paper and in the labs looks greats, On the road not so cleaver.
Until the lab testing get more like real use conditions engines are going to be produced this way.
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Some of them sound superb, indeed one of the NA one goes like hell, that being the 2 stroke fitted to Wartburgs, which would give a Jag of its a day a run for its money.
Well, GB, the Jag would certainly disappear in the Wartburg's rear view mirror, but I feel that would be down to the clouds of filthy blue smoke rather than any real performance advantage! :-)
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What is supposed to be the great advantage of having three cylinders?
According to the information I read from one of the manufacturers of the 2 new engines (Ford or PSA I can't remember which) they said the advantage was it is easier to get the turbo working at lower revs due to less pulsing on the exhaust compared to 4 cylinders. Other benefits are less friction (25% less friction from piston rings, piston to cylinder wall, valve train etc.) Small lighter engine size. There was also mention of it's easier to get it to working temperature and keep it at working temperature.
Edited by Wackyracer on 18/04/2016 at 11:01
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What is supposed to be the great advantage of having three cylinders?
It's not economy (unless you drive very sedately), and for the above it doesn't seem to be longevity either.
I can't help feeling that car engines have mostly had an even number of cylinders for a good reason all these years.
The cynic in me says it's largely down to claimed emissions and the EU fuel consumption figures that can be achieved, rather than any consumer benefit.
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The cynic in me says it's largely down to claimed emissions and the EU fuel consumption figures that can be achieved, rather than any consumer benefit.
I would say your pretty close to the point there. A friend of ours has a Bmax with the ecoboost, it seems ok as a passenger but, I've never driven it to find out how it feels from a drivers impression.
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I'm very suspicious of 3 cylinder engines. Many cars with 3 cylinder engines have shown the engines lives to be quite short.
Really? Which ones? They've come a long way since the AutoUnion 2 stroke of 50yrs ago. Rational evidence, not suspicion, please.
VW Polo's with 3 cylinder engines - notorious for burning out exhaust valves in cylinder 2.
Vauxhall Corsa 3 cylinder engines - very short engine life.
Rational evidence? JohnF ? you do make me laugh.
Glad to know I amuse. But these are just observations - one could also mention some 4, 6 and even 8 cylinder engines which had problems likely to surface before the psychological 100k mark.
Unfortunately there is little comparative data for engine life, especially during the early years of a production run. So brand reputation often relies on the presence or absence of publicity from the unrepresentative few that have problems, e.g. 30yrs ago a few inept drivers of auto Audis in the US who insisted their cars had accelerated when they braked caused a staggering unmerited loss of confidence in the brand which persisted for years. So far it seems there is nothing like the subsequent justification of suspicions there were about the dreadful K series engine which was made in nothing like the vast numbers of 3pots there are now around, most of which seem to be accruing higher and higher troublefree mileages. One day I might buy one.
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A friend of ours has a Bmax with the ecoboost, it seems ok as a passenger but, I've never driven it to find out how it feels from a drivers impression.......
My parents have a 1.0 Fiesta Ecoboost. It is a fine car, although it has taken a bit of getting used to. There is no torque at all below approx 1500 to 2000 rpm, basically until the turbo spools up. It's also rougher, in typical 3 cylinder fashion. Once moving it's pretty quick but not as smooth as a 4, particularly at lower revs. So moving off in it requires a different approach if one is used to bigger, torquey engines, even their previous Fiesta a 1.4 petrol was noticeably easier to launch. It explains why this engine in a heavier car is causing clutch problems, after driving it for myself and therein lies the problem I feel, it's fine in a small light car but struggles to overcome initial inertia in a heavier car. It is a technically interesting engine but doesn't really offer any significant benefits in the real world over a bigger atmo engine. I suspect that they will not stand abuse, missed oil changes and poor servicing very well in the hands of owners with no knowledge or interest in what they're driving.
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A friend of ours has a Bmax with the ecoboost, it seems ok as a passenger but, I've never driven it to find out how it feels from a drivers impression.......
My parents have a 1.0 Fiesta Ecoboost. It is a fine car, although it has taken a bit of getting used to. There is no torque at all below approx 1500 to 2000 rpm, basically until the turbo spools up. It's also rougher, in typical 3 cylinder fashion. Once moving it's pretty quick but not as smooth as a 4, particularly at lower revs. So moving off in it requires a different approach if one is used to bigger, torquey engines, even their previous Fiesta a 1.4 petrol was noticeably easier to launch. It explains why this engine in a heavier car is causing clutch problems, after driving it for myself and therein lies the problem I feel, it's fine in a small light car but struggles to overcome initial inertia in a heavier car. It is a technically interesting engine but doesn't really offer any significant benefits in the real world over a bigger atmo engine. I suspect that they will not stand abuse, missed oil changes and poor servicing very well in the hands of owners with no knowledge or interest in what they're driving.
The 1.0 should have good low down torque with most of the torgue in the mid range.
Turbo lag there should be none, small modern direct bolted to the engine turbos have very little lag. Its for sure nothing like my old saab 99 which you wait a couple of seconds before anything at all happen, then launched like appollo 13 into the back of your seat.
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