VAG cars do get a bit of a bashing - sometimes deserved but I personally have had great reliability out of my recent VAG cars covering over 600k miles in the ownership of Mr & Mrs Big John
VAG list :-1984 VW Polo 1.0, 1990 Passat 1.6td, 2001 Skoda Octavia 1.4, 2003 Skoda Superb 1.9pd, 2104 Skoda Superb 1.4 tsi
Very regular servicing may have something to do with this though - never extended intervals
Edited by Big John on 25/03/2016 at 13:04
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Very regular servicing may have something to do with this though - never extended intervals
Isn't that true of all cars? My Astra had a 20,000 mile oil change interval - I changed it every 6,000 miles - at 100,000 it was still running sweeter than new
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Yep - following HJ's sage advice and keep your car well oiled = less problems and a longer life for the car's engine. On the other side of the coin, long service intervals and chain cam engines don't mix, for example. That leads to engine failures and huge repair bills. VAG have only recently started to realise this. All for saving £30-50 every other year on oil changes.
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Quite right...I recall somebody saying they were thinking of buying a year old Audi with 15,000 on the clock and asked if the car would be serviced before delivery. The salesman said it would be subjected to a special 100 point check( ha ha ha!?) ...Did that include an oil change? "no" came the reply, because the car is on long life service intervals and an oil change is not due.
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If VAG have only just realised the problems associated with cam chains or other important components made of cheese, and lack of good lubrication helping early failure along, then there needs to be a serious culling of ineffective staff.
More likely their marketing staff might have finally realised that the motoring public in places like this have seen the light and the game's up (you'd think in the age of t'internet this would have been forseen), what will be interesting is to see how they manage the fall out, will they go down their usual denial route or do the right thing, huge goodwill operation and long extended warranties put in place for known issues.
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I wonder, given the likely huge fine and lawsuits in the US and possibly elsewhere (to a lesser extent), VAG may not have the funds to be able to keep up with the opposition in terms of R&D, and may have to consider reducing their ranges and substantial options list considerably to reduce costs.
It seems to have worked for Mazda after their 'divorce' from Ford a few years ago, for example, on the current Mazda3, you get the choice of 'any trim/colour as long as its black cloth' on every model except the Sport Nav, which you get the option of black or two-tone leather seats (at extra cost). I haven't seen the number of variants on the A3, but on the Golf there are 16. I personally would like a bit more choice for the Mazda (say 3 no-cost options in the range generally plus the two leather options on the Sport), but 16? C'mon guys!
It would also be nice if more VW, Audi and SEAT dealerships (and the UK arms of the makes themselves) earned themselves a better customer service reputation (admitedly Mazda can be variable on that score, although still better than those three, and besides, if [apart from some diesels] most contact is limited to dropping off/picking up your keys and paying for the annual service [all ok], then its not so bad!), then people and governments might warm up to them again if they thought they were taking the reliability/dieselgate issues seriously in both the short and longer term.
Maybe they could learn from their stablemate Skoda (as well as the Japanese makes) about how to improve their reputation in that regard - they appear to do far better in customer satisfaction surveys as regards the dealership/after sales experience. That's why, despite some recent big faux-pas, Toyota still rank very highly in that regard with the public.
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In the eighties Audi had some great technological advances. They were one of the first to fully galvanise their body shells. That made a real difference at a time when you would see cars with virtually everything below the bumpers rusting to bits.
The quattro system was a very slick piece of engineering, simplifying the layout by keeping the transfer box in the gearbox.
And they made big advances with aerodynamics. The Audi 100 was amazingly economical for such a big car at the time.
Other manufacturers have caught up now, and Audi these days look very ordinary, if you look past the slick (and boring to me) looks and flashy drls.
Part of the blame has to be aimed at the ever tightening emissions regulations, which mean that VAG have had to develop cleaner burning engines quickly, which means that they are at the limit of new technology. Look at how many problems have affected diesels over the past few years, and VAG are not the only guilty party, many manufacturers including Japanese have been affected by these problems.
But I can't see there being any excuse for snapping timing chains, surely this is fundamental engineering that should have been known years ago. Who the hell designs this stuff?
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I think some Japanese car firms, including Mazda, were caught on the hop as regards emissions and the rise of diesel engines in cars, and perhaps decided (rather foolishly) to just 'buy in' engines from other makes, possibly without any real in depth inspection/review of the engineering involved to see if they met their own quality standards.
If Mazda hadn't bought in the PSA/Ford diesels, then (w***el engine reliability issues asside [more to do with idiots using RX8s on mainly short trips to the shops against the advice of the manufacturer than actual unreliability]), then they would be at or even above the reliability level of Honda, Lexus and Toyota. I'm hoping they've now learned there lesson on that score and revert back to making mainly efficient petrol engined cars and a smaller number of diesels.
With regards to Audi, and more widely VAG as a whole, I agree that they lost their way when they went (in my opinion) for 'style over substance' and cut corners (and possibly cheated) in their cars' engineering to save on costs and to meet emissions targets whilst maintaining their 'premium feel' to the consumer. The same could be said (though not for the dieselgate cheating) for Mercedes, which had very similar reliability issues following their well-documented cost-cutting measures in the late 90s - mid 2000s, which seriously dented their reputation, probably only saved by the on-track reputation of their motor racing engines and car ownership relationships with many celebrities during that period and beyond.
Most people still have respect for Mercedes, but with Audis (and to an extent BMWs) many people think less of them than they used to, because they are seen by many as 'cars for snobs and show-offs' (even if that's not the case in reality), hence why drivers of those cars aren't exactly held in high regard on the road (not driving ability, just generally). I think Audi and VW have an image problem, exacerbated by the 'dieselgate' scandal. SEAT and Skoda will be less affected in this way (though will be by any financial penalties/lawsuits to the group in general).
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If only the engineering side of Audi could match their marketing division which has constantly hit the spot with consumers by providing cars to stars.
When the public see the subliminal message of Kate Middleton, Diana Spencer, Prince Charles and Film and TV celebrities driving Audis, it sends a message to them that they are buying into an exclusive club.
And it costs Audi very little, so its got to be a stroke of genius on their marketing departments part. Even Anne Robinson has one !
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If only the engineering side of Audi could match their marketing division which has constantly hit the spot with consumers by providing cars to stars.
When the public see the subliminal message of Kate Middleton, Diana Spencer, Prince Charles and Film and TV celebrities driving Audis, it sends a message to them that they are buying into an exclusive club.
And it costs Audi very little, so its got to be a stroke of genius on their marketing departments part. Even Anne Robinson has one !
What most celebrities know about motor vehicle engineering could be written on the back of a second class stamp.
Celebrity endorsement of a particular car is the last thing that would influence me to choose it.
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Celebrity endorsement of a particular car is the last thing that would influence me to choose it.
Couldn't agree more, and as for Top Gear and its like, i sincerely hope no one ever took a blind bit of notice of anything endorsed there, buy a car recommended by that mob?, i'd rather line me Y fronts with nettles.
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Celebrity endorsement of a particular car is the last thing that would influence me to choose it.
Couldn't agree more, and as for Top Gear and its like, i sincerely hope no one ever took a blind bit of notice of anything endorsed there, buy a car recommended by that mob?, i'd rather line me Y fronts with nettles.
I'll be watching the first episode of the new Top Gear just out of curiosity, but Chris Evans has got one of those faces I want to punch as soon as I see it.
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They were one of the first to fully galvanise their body shells.
The quattro system was a very slick piece of engineering, simplifying the layout by keeping the transfer box in the gearbox.
And they made big advances with aerodynamics. The Audi 100 was amazingly economical for such a big car at the time.
But I can't see there being any excuse for snapping timing chains....
Quite so. But of all the old VW/Audi chain engines there now are in the world I do wonder how many of them have actually snapped? I know there have been problems with plastic guides/tensioners in a few V8s, possibly owing to oil neglect? I can find no instances of their flagship W12 chain failure and this engine has been around since the turn of the century.
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Have a look at the 'good and bad' sections on HJ's reviews of many VAG car (especially Audis and VWs - the 1.4 twin charger is one that has such problems, but I think many others have as well).
Edited by Engineer Andy on 27/03/2016 at 11:11
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