Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - John Boy

This link is to a petition, which is relevant to a recent topic by Old Rover Boy:

www.change.org/p/secretary-of-state-for-transport-...k

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - slkfanboy

The example chosen is very sad and sympathy goes out to the familiy.

We can't get into the mind of any driver, but at any age anyone doing such speed in a 20 zone should be jailed. Its not an issue poor eye sight or judgement that could be brought on by a medical condition related to age. It a careless attitued.

So I would say testing 70year olds will not reduce the % of deaths due to cars by anything notable. Target others

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - Happy Blue!

Sorry slkfanboy, but I don't agree.

My father is 81. Still driving and does OK; far better than most people ten years younger, but clearly his reactions and general observance skills have declined over the years. I have noticed that my similar skills have slightly declined (I am 51). Yes there are idiots at the wheel who should be targetted as well, but the incidence of elderly drivers being killed or killing others through driving the wrong way on a motorway for example is too high for there not to be some way of getting bad driving off the road.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - Bromptonaut

We can't get into the mind of any driver, but at any age anyone doing such speed in a 20 zone should be jailed.

It was a case of accelerator mistaken for brake rather than wilfull speeding.

Driver decided they were too old for gearchanges and just bought an automatic?

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - colinh

Looking at the graph on this page there seems to be a case for retesting under-35s every year:

www.confused.com/press/releases/young-female-drive...s

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - RT

I'll only sign it alongside a similar retest requirement for 17-69 year olds as well as compulsory eyetests every 2 years for all drivers.

I have every faith in the money-grabbing insurance industry that they would use any excuse, however flimsy, to increase premiums with age if any increase in risk actually occurred.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - gordonbennet

Be careful what you wish for, you might not think you're going to get old but you will be one day, and the licence to drive might be the only safe way to freedom that you have depending on where you live.

I'm heatily sick and tired of the old getting the blame for the ills of this country, no one asked us if we wanted to increase the population by umpteen millions over the last twenty years and for it to continue as it will over the next twenty, though arguably our electrorate have voted for parties who are signed up to this so up to a point we have agreed.

The roads will be at breaking point soon, anyone who uses the main road network on a Friday afternoon especially can see what's coming, if you willingly sign up to the government of the day removing as many old people (non productive so as expendable as a non milk producing cow) as possible from the roads, remember your willingness to assist the state in this when its your turn to be forced onto public transport, together with an increasingly hostile public, when you get old.

The state is not your friend.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - alan1302

I'm heatily sick and tired of the old getting the blame for the ills of this country,

They don’t get all the blame – plenty of blame is given top young people, immigrants, rich people etc etc

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - oldroverboy.

I'll sign it as a requirement for compulsory eyetests every 2 years for all drivers.

I have every faith in the money-grabbing insurance industry that they would use any excuse, however flimsy, to increase premiums with age if any increase in risk actually occurred.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - scot22

I have read the reasonably written article. My sympathy to the family. I commend them for actually doing something.

Although I think there are more ways to improve road safety I have signed up to the petition.

The article refers to age appropriate and if anything comes of this, which I doubt, I hope the test would be reasonable.

Although it does not improve everything at least it might improve something.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - galileo

I'm over 70.

I took the IAM elderly drivers assessment last year and then passed the IAM test. (full NCD and 55 years driving experience in the UK, also done quite a bit in the USA and Europe).

I do not creep about as a mobile chicane, I 'make progress' in the proper way.

On a daily basis I am tailgated in traffic by under 30 year old females on the school run, cut up by taxis, white vans, boy racers in Corsa's. I watch for clueless halfwits who are in the wrong lane and suddenly dive across at the last second, red light runners (lots of them about) etc. You may have the same experiences.

Constant vigilance and concentrating on what you are doing is necessary for safety on today's congested roads.

Some older drivers do need refresher training or, if unable to show competence, should give up, but the general standard of younger drivers is, from my observations, far more dangerous.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - scot22

Excellent - if only ALL drivers had the same attitude and skill. I have lost count of posts I have made about the need to raise driving standards for everybody (myself included).

I agree with you about relative dangers. Older drivers are an easy target : but in reality there are younger drivers who are far more dangerous, compounded by believing they are perfect.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - alan1302

I agree with you about relative dangers. Older drivers are an easy target : but in reality there are younger drivers who are far more dangerous, compounded by believing they are perfect.

I disagree - any driver that is not concentrating and drivng correctly is dangerous no matter what age they are. I don't think a younger bad driver is any more dangerous than an older bad driver.

I think younger drivers do need harsher penalities to reign in any bad driving that occurs but also don't think some kind of testing say when you reach retirment age is a bad thing.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - Wackyracer

I disagree - any driver that is not concentrating and drivng correctly is dangerous no matter what age they are. I don't think a younger bad driver is any more dangerous than an older bad driver.

I couldn't agree more.

I've noticed there seems to be an increase in tailgating lately, a car this afternoon a good distance ahead of me was around a cars length behind the car infront, wet road and at approx 40 mph.... an accident waiting to happen.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - scot22

Apologies, my mistake - I did not express myself properly. I should have put equally, not more. In future I will re read what I intend to post more carefully. My sentiment is that this applies to all drivers.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - mss1tw

I couldn't agree more.

I've noticed there seems to be an increase in tailgating lately

Agreed. I e-mailed my local police a while ago about it, and was summarily ignored.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - barney100

I don't think that as you reach a certain age your skills go straight out of the exhaust pipe. You have to be honest with yourself all the time and assess which aspects of driving need work. I'm a musician in my late sixties and can equate driving to sight reading, both need relaxed concentration and observation especially looking ahead to avoid problems before you get there, if my sight reading goes down hill then that would be the time to think about giving up driving. Many of my golf buddies are a lot older than me and their minds are sharp, they take their driving seriously and keep their cars properly manitained and observe speed limits .


Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - scot22

Hopefully the test would only stop those who should be stopped. Those who are perfectly able to drive will be able to continue. The validity of the test is crucial to its success.

Just because it won't solve all of the problems is no reason not to take action which could make the roads a bit safer.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - xtrailman

I had far more accidents when i was younger than i do now.

In fact not had one since 2002, touch wood. My last one was involving a driver under instruction that ran into me.

I'm definatly not the driver i was now at 64, but i've slowed down to allow for slower reactions, and also have a eye test every two years, and have done since i was 48 years old, still only need reading glasses however.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - Wackyracer

There is of course the fact that most people on this forum are interested in driving and most likely to take pride in their driving.

However, in the real world there are people who have taken to driving merely as a convenient form of transport, They pass a driving test and then declare that they can drive as they please as they now have a licence, They probably have never poked their nose into a copy of the highway code since they took their test in 1973 and as a result they have no idea what 7 out of 10 road signs mean. This ignorance usually extends to failure to have their eyes tested or those they have been sold driving glasses but, do not bother to wear them.

One thing I often hear is "oh, Mavis (or whoever) is ok she only drives on roads she knows" If you can't drive on any road something is wrong.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - Bromptonaut

While I'm not convinced the current 'self certification' set up is the right one neither is triennial compulsory re-testing.

Firstly it won't weed out cases like this where driver looses control. Even if the driver was becoming incapcitated at the date of the accident he could have been perfectly alright 6months before, never mind 35months. Dementia, whether caused by Alzheimers or some other fator can come on very quickly. So can other disabling conditions.

I suspect a lot of older drivers would simply give up, with consequent loss of independence and possibly need to move home etc, rather than face the stress of a test. If Mavis limits herself to journeys she knows that seems areasonable adjustment. It doesn't mean she won't cope if, for example, diverted off the known route die to an accident.

My Mother took exactly that route. Immediately after my Father, who was a useless driver at any age but was always in the front right seat, died she spread her wings. Drove 120miles down the M1 to us a few times and to other places too. Then by her mid seventies decided she was more comfortable sticking to going to the Lakes or the East Coast and a few other familiar places. Perfectly safe and would have coped if sent off the A65 and onto the M6 - just got a bit stressed by it that's all.

Fiinally gave up in her mid eighties, rcognising she had balance problems, but barely used the car for last year or so.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - ExA35Owner

Well,,, it's clear that retesting would get some people off the road; in turn that might prevent some accidents. That benefit needs to be set against the variety of costs to the drivers, their families and the taxpayer. Until we can see a researched cost-benefit analysis, there's not much benefit in detailed discussion.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - balleballe

I have seen patients who are 70+ who should not be driving, but then I've I've seen patients 70+ who are perfectly fine and 'with it'.

Last week I had to inform the DVLA that a patient of mine was driving whilst well aware he is a liability and with vision around half as good as that which is required. I gave him a chance to just stop driving himself but the proud chap couldn't get to grips with reality so in the interest of public safety I informed the DVLA.

Over the years I've had many patients who have had the common sense to realise that they're not fit to drive due to reactions etc. These people have my respect as I imagine it's not easy for them. There's not much in this world more fragile than a man's pride.

Compulsory retesting of drivers over 70 - RT

I have seen patients who are 70+ who should not be driving, but then I've I've seen patients 70+ who are perfectly fine and 'with it'.

Last week I had to inform the DVLA that a patient of mine was driving whilst well aware he is a liability and with vision around half as good as that which is required. I gave him a chance to just stop driving himself but the proud chap couldn't get to grips with reality so in the interest of public safety I informed the DVLA.

Over the years I've had many patients who have had the common sense to realise that they're not fit to drive due to reactions etc. These people have my respect as I imagine it's not easy for them. There's not much in this world more fragile than a man's pride.

Well done - my own view is that the legally required standard of vision is too low anyway so anyone with less vision than that definitely needs taking off the road.