M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - oldroverboy.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11975971/Mot...l

Money Money Money.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - TR7
You'd be lucky to get over 10mph peak times. The idiots who tailgate and undertake should be fined no coppers in sight then.
M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Galaxy

They'll need to pay for everyone to have a new speedometer installed in their car, then, because the existing ones aren't accurate enough to measure to 1 mph!

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - alan1302

They'll need to pay for everyone to have a new speedometer installed in their car, then, because the existing ones aren't accurate enough to measure to 1 mph!

They tend to be accurate or overread so won't be a problem.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Galaxy

They'll need to pay for everyone to have a new speedometer installed in their car, then, because the existing ones aren't accurate enough to measure to 1 mph!

They tend to be accurate or overread so won't be a problem.

So you can read your speedometer to 1mph? Well, you must have a digital one then because I'm yet to see an analogue one which can be read to such accuracy. It might be possible with the ones in police cars but, fortunately, I haven't yet had the pleasure of getting a close look at one to find out.

A brand new speedometer must be accurate to something like 5%, but, as you correctly say, it mustn't over-read. However, I wouldn't like to say what the accuracy would be after its done, say, 100k miles in, say, 10 years. The MOT test for a speedometer is just that it works, nothing remotely connected with measuring it's accuracy.

I seem to remember that idiot Prescott saying something similar to this many years ago. Now it looks like we've found another one in the police force!

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Andrew-T

<< A brand new speedometer must be accurate to something like 5%, but, as you correctly say, it mustn't over-read. >>

You mean it mustn't under-read. There's nothing wrong in a driver believing he is going faster than he really is.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - gordonbennet

Be interesting to see if the good electorate of Bedfordshire re-elect this here mayor of Gotham type.

Doesn't bother me, the stealth cameras are there anyway, though the number of them going off at any one time you'd be forgiven for thinking they had only been installed the previous night.

Driving pleaure has all but vanished now, we're going to have our internet browsing recorded (just as well or the backroom freedom front might do something unthinkable) and we're spied on every day of our lives from our phones tracking us to endless cctv cameras, we're driving headlong but blindfolded into a police surveillance state.

All to prevent terrorism you understand and don't forget if you've done nothing wrong you've nothing to worry about, unless you have an aversion to being probed with a rubber gloved finger..:-)

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Smileyman

What is really surprising is the honesty in thought that this is a good idea - it's a madness that will encourage every motorist to despise & loath the police, and precepitate a two fingered salute response whenever the police ask for assistance from the public. (any police force, not just Bedfordshire)

Everyone who supports Bedfordshire Police needs to make it very clear the madness of this man's idea .... that includes the voluntary groups assisting with inter-community relations, young persons matters etc

The speed limit needs to be raised to 80mph, travel takes longer and longer than it used to, everyone benefits from shorter journey times.

And start enforcing the minimum speed limits too!

(how many drivers did not use their rear lights in the fog this week. or forgot to switch them off when conditions became clear again, and of these how many were prosecuted, is this an example of selective policing?)

Edited by Smileyman on 04/11/2015 at 20:23

M1 Bedforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Bilboman

No one seems to have taken up the argument that it is the desperate attempt of a beleaguered police chief to save his cash starved force from attrition. It is the relentless budget-slashing tactics of central government that is forcing schemes like these to come to the fore.
Britain is traditionally a law abiding society, so zero tolerance of speeding should eventually work. It has already become a reality in Australia.
It would mean that median driving speeds drop to, say, 65. We would be moving from one (unofficial) top speed toanother (official) one.
An increase of motorway driving speed to 75 or 80 combined with zero tolerance should mean that no one drives at over 70mph. If enough hi-tech (laser-equipped, undetectable, unjammable) cameras, plus a lot of dummy ones, are installed, speeds will be followed and tailgaters should be out of business, so I don't see the problem. I say bring it on, test it for a year and if pollution, accidents or driving convictions are found to shoot up then let's have a rethink.

M1 Bedforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - bathtub tom

The man's not highly regarded in Bedfordshire.

He's the Police and Crime Commissioner (PCC) who wanted to increase the council tax to pay for policing. A local referendum (costing £300,000 from the police budget) was held and overwhelmingly rejected. He's now trying to recoup that money.

He suggested the Beds, Bucks and Herts control centres could be combined to save money - It's been suggested the Beds, Bucks and Herts PCCs could be done by one person to save money.

I think he's up for re-election next year - fat chance.

M1 Bedforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Engineer Andy

I just looked him up on Wiki, and lo-and-behold he is a Labour politician! They never wanted the PCCs to work anyway, so he's doing the usual Labour less-tha-hal-ar*ed job to demonstrate. I'm surprised he doesn't introduce people with red flags in front of cars in towns - surely that's safer than them travelling at 30mph?

Assuming he gets booted out at the next PCC election, all that'll happen is that he would've wasted valuable Police resources in setting up and operating speed cameras (including mobile units), getting nowhere near as much revenue as he thinks because people either adhere to the (effective) lower speed limit for the time (before they get peed off and go back to 'normal') or because many people are contesting in court the fines/penalty points because of the unfairness of the lack of a % error for the limit to take into account vehicles speedos over-reporting their speed by different amounts (i.e. you could be 0.001 mph over because your speedo is more accurate than the next persons').

If Mr. Martins wants to 'save money', he should look to a more cost-effective use of his budget - I've worked in my job alongside police forces, including his own, and believe-you-me, they waste loads of £££ on project work, upkeep of inneffective, out-of-date and leaky (in every sense, but especially thermally - they have huge heating bills) buildings/sites, many of which are mostly empty most of the time, in addition to a top-heavy command structure (like our armed forces) where people are often promoted because of their political (correct) views rather than their ability to do the job.

All this in addition to a very bureaucratic service, which Mr. Martins should be recording and highlighting to the Home Office so that they can change things for the better, and not use his position as a purely political tool (at the taxpayers expense [a very nice salary he draws]) as he appears to be doing.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Andrew-T

The speed limit needs to be raised to 80mph, travel takes longer and longer than it used to, everyone benefits from shorter journey times.

Maybe so, but raising the limit doesn't necessarily achieve that, as the reduced limits on the congested M25 prove. By ironing out ripples caused by sudden braking at 75+, more cars can get through each mile of road in a given time, especially as braking distance between cars can be less.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Sofa Spud

The speed limit should not be raised. 80 mph (or 90 mph) might be safe on an empty motorway in clear, dry conditions. But if the limit was raised more people would do 80 where it's unsafe to do so - plenty do that already but they'd probably then do 90 instead.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - galileo

The speed limit needs to be raised to 80mph, travel takes longer and longer than it used to, everyone benefits from shorter journey times.

Maybe so, but raising the limit doesn't necessarily achieve that, as the reduced limits on the congested M25 prove. By ironing out ripples caused by sudden braking at 75+, more cars can get through each mile of road in a given time, especially as braking distance between cars can be less.

Curious to know where you use motorways; on M62/M1/M6/A1(M) up here in the North, every time I use them (even today in rain and fog) the majority of lane 2 and 3 vehicles are far too close for safety: even so-called professional LGV drivers include some who think ten feet separation from another LGV at 56 mph is adequate.

The 'two second rule' is rarely observed, in my experience.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - focussed

Methinks Mr Martins as a Labour politician has created this to score political points against the current government's policies.

He has now been officially reminded by the Transport secretary that what he is doing is against national guidelines, so we will probably hear no more of it.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11977553/Zer...l

What is interesting is that Befordshire plod costs about twice as much per plod as comparable forces.

Any explanation for that Mr Martins?

PS Bedfordshire traffic police were always called the black rats, by the other coppers!

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - oldroverboy.
the majority of lane 2 and 3 vehicles are far too close for safety: even so-called professional LGV drivers include some who think ten feet separation from another LGV at 56 mph is adequate.

I only wish HGV drivers were 10 feet back. On the A12 here you're lucky if its 6 feet.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - gordonbennet

I only wish HGV drivers were 10 feet back. On the A12 here you're lucky if its 6 feet.

These are not drivers and never will be so long as they live, they are the product of a dumbed down HGV driving test, a dumbed down often poorly paid job and dumbed down HGV's, when a chimp can drive an HGV...basically it's select D put foot on throttle (or press resume on CC) and steer...then we have gone beyond lorry driver and the ones you see tailgating are the modern steering wheel operative doing their normal thing.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - barney100

If this comes in then it won't be long before most people catch on and stick the cruise control on 69 mph. Seems the police waste millions of £s every year and as usual the driving public are an easy target to boost the coffers.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - slkfanboy

Seems that the option to punish motorest on the Safest roads (account for 5% of deaths) rather than other types of road responsable for many more, good work!

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - alan1302

Seems that the option to punish motorest on the Safest roads (account for 5% of deaths) rather than other types of road responsable for many more, good work!

This isn't about trying to make moeny out of motorists though - it's all politcal. Bedforshire Police say they don't have enough money and the governement have told them there is no more available so they are proposing this as a threat to try and get what they want.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Engineer Andy

Indeed - they have enough money - I know they waste a large amount of it through previous firms of mine doing work for them. Of course, Mr. Martins wants to 'create a scene' to do as much political damage to the Tory government (he/Labour wants PCCs to fail), and the Police top brass don't want to admit that they've done a rubbish job by 'amazingly' finding savings by doing things better and more efficiently/effectively.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Manatee

If this comes in then it won't be long before most people catch on and stick the cruise control on 69 mph. Seems the police waste millions of £s every year and as usual the driving public are an easy target to boost the coffers.

If only...a 70 limit with zero tolerance would see enough drivers doing an indicated 65 to reduce running speeds for all to nearer 60 than 70.

The 10% + 2 convention is quite sensible in truth.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - FP

According to the press, the money wouldn't go directly to Bedfordshire Police anyway.

'Prime Minister David Cameron's official spokeswoman said: "We are very clear that speed cameras should be about safety, not about raising cash.

"The point we would make to those thinking about using them for other means is that it is important to note that revenue generated from speeding offences doesn't go to police forces, it goes to a central fund."

Money from speed camera fines goes to the consolidated fund - the Government's bank account at the Bank Of England - for general expenditure.'

My guess is that Martins is doing a bit of political posturing.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - Engineer Andy

In theory, they could make money if people getting caught choose to go on (and pay £100 for) a speed awareness course - the fee goes directly to the Police Authority, not central government.

Somehow I doubt if it'll go ahead (as you say, political posturing, especially in the light of some useless oik in the Home Office using incorrect figures when determining the amount each force gets - see today's DT), especially as the Transport Sec Patrick McLoughlin says its against the regs to use cameras for revenue raising (nice change from when Labour were in power).

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - concrete

I don't know how many times I have stated this on the forum:

It's all about the money....................

They don't give a roasted f*** about anything else. Lip service to safety is just that, so meaningless. Speeding, Parking, Congestion Charging, DVLA scams etc etc. It all leads to the same thing; MONEY. We normal people outnumber these PC, smug, self righteous, nannying, self serving politicos yet we seem powerless to control them. Oh to be Emperor for whole week! Rant over....

Cheers Concrete

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - daveyK_UK

Typical labour politician, we had a 13 year war on motorists under the last labour government and no doubt they haven't lost their appetite for stealth tax and enforcement.

M1 Brdforshire plod ZERO tolerance - Out To GET YOU - focussed

In days gone by, the police were-as it were-the sheepdogs that guarded the flock-ie the general public-against the wolves of criminality.. But the sheepdogs have now gone feral and are attacking the flock, while ignoring the wolves.