Motorway manners - hillman

Do the BRs think this is an example of manners or suicide ?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3210278/Watch-ama...l

Motorway manners - bathtub tom

Unfortunately the rest of us have to share the roads with m****s like that.

What the hell was he doing in that lane with a trailer and why couldn't the driver continue to the hard shoulder?

I once came across a stationary car in the outside lane. I managed to slow and get round it. As I was building speed again I noticed in the mirror a Beetle cartwheeling down the road!

Motorway manners - RobJP

As the police say in that article, it is an offence for vehicles towing trailers to use the third lane of the motorway.

They want a little chat with him ...

Motorway manners - bathtub tom

As the police say in that article, it is an offence for vehicles towing trailers to use the third lane of the motorway.

Would you like to change that to: "The right hand lane of a motorway with three or more lanes"

Motorway manners - Bromptonaut

What does the CCTV show before the clip leaked to the Mail? We don't know how he ended up in rightmost lane or why he stopped ratherr than going directly to the hard shoulder.

On managed m/way as in clip there's often no hard shoulder at all and strandees who cannot make it to the half mile interval refuges are supposed to sit tight.

Not sure I'd fancy that in what too many public regard as the fast overtaking lane.

What he did was wrong but not sure I'd be too judgemental about it.

Motorway manners - diddy1234

Many moons ago, I was the first on the scene of an accident between a car and a lorry (not too serious but ambulance needed).

I parked my car across the road with hazard lights on so I had a safe area to deal with the car driver.

Long story cut short, I got a right grilling from the police man for blocking the road.

He asked if I was part of the emergency services and what right did I have to do that ?

Needless to say, if someone needs help now I will help but I am less inclined to help a fellow motorist due to the kind policeman

Motorway manners - RobJP

Please don't let a ... person ... like that change who you are. I'm the same as you, been first on scene at an RTA, with decisions to make and actions to take, though it was rather a major one ...

In my case, I came across a three car crash on a wet country road at night, raining heavily. I put my car 100 yards one direction, hazards on, car at 30 degrees or so, so that emergency services could get past, but it made it obvious that the road was closed, but there was light to work with. When another driver came along, from the opposite direction, I got him to do the same.

The accident wasn't a good one. First that I came to was dead woman on the side of the road, early 20s, thrown from what was described as car 1. Obviously fatal, so placed my coat over her. Then came up to what was called car 2, cuts/bruises on both front seat people, driver had a disclocated shoulder, but both conscious. I tell them to sit tight, stay where they are, help is on the way. Then car 1 itself. Driver (male, 18 years), still in his seat, not a mark on him, but not breathing, no pulse. Myself and the second person on scene decide that if he's staying in the seat, then he's dead, so we've got to get him out to do CPR.

So we do, and start working on him in the road, in the rain. The other person goes off to a house 1/4 mile off to call ambulance and give details of casualties, and when he comes back we just carry on with CPR until they arrive, probably 15 minutes. Then they pack him up for the trip to hospital, other ambulances arrive with police, and the other casualties and the fatal are dealt with by them, and initial statements are taken from us by police. That driver of car 1 died too, turned out he had a ruptured aorta, so all we'd been doing was pumping blood into the chest cavity.

Wondering about car 3 ?

After that lot, I'm standing 50 yards away, gathering my thoughts and getting my head together, when I notice tyre tracks in the grass verge. So I put on the torch that the policewoman gave me, and I can see another car in the ditch. Shout to the police, and head down there. Two more fatalities in there, from when the car hit a tree head-on after leaving the road. One live, but injured, girl in kiddie seat in the back.

The cause of all that carnage ? Car 1 (a Vauxhall Nova) had 3 bald tyres. Took a bend, lost control, went side-on into the front of car 2 (a Sierra). Car 3 (Cavalier), coming up behind car 2, braked, skidded in the wet, left the road, and hit the tree.

End result : 4 dead. The police reckoned it would have been 5 by the morning.

So you do what you feel is right. You block a road to deal with a casualty if you feel you need to. Because it's nice and easy for someone to second-guess the decisions that you had to make in an instant.

Edited by RobJP on 25/08/2015 at 22:52

Motorway manners - scot22

I am lost for words to express my respect for your actions. It was a situation that it is impossible to appreciate what you must have gone through.

Thank you for posting your experience. There is much for us all to learn from it.

Motorway manners - John Boy

Thank you for posting your experience. There is much for us all to learn from it.

+1

Motorway manners - RobJP

To be honest, it wasn't even something that I was really conscious of at the time. Almost like auto-pilot, I suppose, looking at it all in hindsight. I was completely aware of everything around me, able to take in, deal with, compartmentalise, prioritise the casualties.

It all hit me like a train about a week later.

Motorway manners - diddy1234

Sorry to read that RobJP. Not a nice experience.

Did you get told off by the police for the position of your car ?

In my experience the car driver had whiplash and chest pains.

Ambulance came out as a matter of precaution and he was the first emergency vehicle to arrive.

The police car got lost but turned up after 5 minutes, gave me a rollicking and then asked if I had seen the accident happen ( which I had not).

He then said 'your not much help. So yo can f*** off then'

I was disgusted. There was only so much assistance I could give and it was the one time I relied on the emergency services to do their job. I didnt quite get that experience.

Motorway manners - FP

I too am almost speechless. I like to think I might have been able to at least been helpful had I been in Rob's position, but it sounds as if he did incredibly well.

As for getting a grilling for blocking the road as per Diddy's post, maybe it was a good decision, maybe not - if it posed further danger to other drivers. But the argument that he wasn't part of the emergency services and had no right to do what he did gets my back right up. There spoke a true jobsworth.

In an emergency you do what you have to do, although you should never act thoughtlessly or go beyond your capability. (E.g. you don't give first aid if you haven't a clue.)

Edited by FP on 26/08/2015 at 00:04

Motorway manners - RobJP

No, Diddy, I didn't get told off by the police for the car position. Then again, there was a body lying in the road, so there wasn't much choice but to block off.

As I say, and as FP has said, you do what you feel is right, and stuff some officious numpty who managed to get lost en-route because of his own incompetence. I'd suggest that his attitude was more down to his embarrassment than anything else. Or maybe he's just one of those 'little Hitlers' who likes to feel important.

It's easy to criticise after the fact, and it's easy to have 20:20 hindsight. But in that sort of situation, you've got a few seconds to make a decision about where you place a car, to protect a casualty, to protect yourself, and you make that call. You've also got to do that while you process the scene ahead of you. Maybe it's easy for him, he's been trained to deal with that sort of thing. But if he was that well trained then he wouldn't have got lost on the way !

Motorway manners - diddy1234

hear, hear. I couldn't agree more Rob

Motorway manners - Gibbo_Wirral

Never mind the twerp with the trailer, look at how the people carrier behind him forced his way into lane 3 right at the start.

Motorway manners - bathtub tom

Never mind the twerp with the trailer, look at how the people carrier behind him forced his way into lane 3 right at the start.

I'd probably done the same.

Don't want to be stuck stationary on a motorway.

Motorway manners - concrete

Well done RobJP, a credit to yourself and a brilliant post. Restores your faith in human nature. On a similar note:

My daughter is a quailfied first aider and was an instructor for the Army Cadet Force. Returning from a weekend camp she was driving a minibus with 12 cadets on board. She was aware of two 'boy racers' tailgating her and each other and attempting to overtake whether it was safe or not. She felt very intimidated by them but eventually one overtook with other trying to overtake him at the same time. Unbelievable. Two miles down the road she came across them again but their cars were wrecked and scattered all over the roadway. The cars contained four youths each and some of them were in a bad way. She and the cadets quickly got to work and provided first aid until the emergency services arrived. They all praised her and the cadets and thanked them and they went on there way. She was later called to court to give evidence of matters leading to the crash, as the police were charging both drivers with dangerous driving. She told her story and sat down. The magistrate then invited the two drivers to offer thanks to her and the cadets, who in the opinion of the paramedics were instrumental in mitigating their injuries, which were quite serious. One did so but the other 'toerag' just sneered and grunted something. The magistrate then repeated his 'request' more forcefully and the youth gave an ungracious thank you.

I could happily have shaken him warmly by the neck!! Luckily the police and magistrate were generous in their praise and they all received a police and an Army commendation. Just goes to show you never know what ungrateful 'toerag' you may be helping, but help you must.

Cheers Concrete

PS the 'toerag' got 6 points a ban and a hefty fine. His friend got similar but not as much. Thank you Lord!!!!! Justice.

Motorway manners - skidpan

One freezing January evening, about 9.30, I was walking the dog and came across the local druggie unconsious on the field. Rather than involve the emergency services I went to his parents house who said they had disowned him and wanted no involvement. So I rang 999 and explained where he was. About an hour later the Police turned up accusing me of wasting their time since there was no one to be found. So I went onto the field with them and there were about 20 officers searching the wrong area, they had turned right instead of left, he was still there on his back as he was earlier 20 yards off the tarmac path left of the concrete bollard. At that point I went home thinking at least I had helped a bit. A further hour later I was woken by the Police to be told if anything happened to him I would be arrested since I was the last person to see him alive. I went ballistic and was told they would be back when I had calmed down, they have never been, probably realised what a stupid bunch of total idiots they are.

A couple of years later his mother came and thanked me, said he would have died but for me. He is still sleeping rough, destined to die in a pool of vomit I guess.

Motorway manners - DirtyDieselDogg

The Police could well be too used to self important prats causing more chaos than needed by their ill considered, and presumably ego driven actions.

To wit, last summer while on holiday in England, involving quita bit of driving, on a long straight stretch of "A" road somewhere in Linconshire, we happened on the immediate aftermath of a RTC, which, however it happened, resulted in a motorcyclist in the roadside ditch, with his motorcycle, also in the ditch near-by. A car with superficial bodywork damage was very neatly parked on the same side of the long clear straight road. A female Dr. was in attendance, the situatation was under complete control, but the road was quite needlessly blocked, by a philistine in shiny new green Jag, who had abandonded his car so as to neatly block the other lane, while he merely gaped. I am aware he may have witnessed the RTC/accident

He was most discomfited when I suggested, having walked to the scene, that he park his car off the road, in the nearby stubble field, with a huge combine sized gap onto the road, which he begrudginly did.

One lane of traffic was then able to get past in perfect safety, and with the vast quantity of vehicles using this road, this probably lessened the likelyhood of another subsequent accident.

It was dry and clear at the time, there were no skid marks, nor any debris to be seen on the road.

As always "think" first, about the results of ones proposed actions.

Especially "why", as in why block the road if there was clearly no need.

Marcus

Edited by DirtyDieselDogg on 26/08/2015 at 19:01

Motorway manners - thunderbird

About 2 years ago on my way into work I was very surprised to see a car snaking all over the road as it came around a corner about 50 meters away from me. Luckily it missed me and the van following and neatly spun into the near side wall making a sizable hole (but thankfully it bounced back since its a 20 ft drop) and then dismantled itself as it continued to spin several more times. The road was liitered with debris including the radiator and intercooler but traffic just drove starit over it weaving past the smoking wreckage of the car which contained a very pregant young driver and her passenger.

When they arrived the Police closed the road.

This week there have been 2 accidents on the same corner with 2 new holes in the wall.