Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - brum

A good news story...

www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailand...l

Everyone with some common sense would realise that parking gouging charges are killing town centres and the uk economy on general - all except petty councils of course who are desperate to protect their empires, pensions etc.

Hope these robin hood "vandals" continue to liberate us from this oppression.

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - RobJP

Whilst I can't find it in myself to condone criminal damge, the parking rates being charged were, it seems, ridiculous. £1.20 for an hour is nothing short of gouging the motorist, and driving people into the supermarkets and out of the independent shops in the town centres.

Edited by RobJP on 16/07/2015 at 14:17

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - Gibbo_Wirral

Same round here. Wirral council can't understand why people are abandoning the town centre and paying £1.05 an hour to park when at the same time they let suburban mini retail parks a few miles away flourish and expand.

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - oldroverboy.

When we lived in Carmarthen, we usd to go sometime out west, as Cardigan by the river bridge is quite pretty, the problem wasn't the parking charges,more so the lack of places, so it was a form of rationing..

Obviously the "tourists" will go and pay, look at all the little beach car parks in that area, all chargeable and at higher rates than that. Want to visit St Davids.. be prepared to pay for the privilege.

Going back to Carmarthen they proposed to remoove the 30 minutes parking in one of the shopping streets and replace it with a short time pay and display. Cue general outrage, but sure enough all the car parking charges went up..

This from a supposedly "poor area" where the Pembrokeshires Chief executives car was funded by the taxpayer.. A £90000 Porsche Panamera.. Ok for some.

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - gordonbennet

Our local town centre Morrisons has finally and thankfully put NPR cameras in and imposed a 2.5 hour limit, previously it was very difficult to park for shopping during the day because town workers parked there all day for free, its still free but the limit has stopped the all day parkers taking advantage and leaving no space for Morrisons customers.

On a general note, the various bodies of apparatchiks has succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, their persecution of the solvent motorist shopper has worked well, we, along with many others seldom use the town shops at all (apart from the aforesaid Morrisons) in any town and wouldn't go within miles of a city, between parking charges and idiotic one way systems/corridors have made town centres hell.

So internet shopping it is, comfortable chair, drink, toilet without having to queue or pay for the privelidge (a huge bugbear of SWMBO and mine the scandalous state and lack of public inconveniences), no gauntlets of road idiots or scameras, no low-life's to avoid motorised or pedestrianised, nice man pulls up in a van, rings bell, dogs go crackers, items delivered...thankyou councils for showing us the light.

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - Andrew-T

.... between parking charges and idiotic one way systems/corridors have made town centres hell.

Of course it's in the nature of motorists to grumble about this kind of thing. But it's the number of cars and the people driving them that is the root cause. Anyone got a good workable idea of how to provide adequate free parking for everyone, just where they want it ?

Thought not ....

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - AlastairM

Construction of offices/etc to include provision for employee parking, removal of single yellows from the places they were put in order to force parking onto paid bays, provision of Park & Ride at reasonable rates - that'll do for now.

Edited by AlastairM on 17/07/2015 at 12:35

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - Andrew-T

- that'll do for now.

Construction of offices/etc to include provision for employee parking - that will take a while to make a difference.

Removal of single yellows from the places they were put in order to force parking onto paid bays - I think much of that was done to allow traffic to get past all the parked cars? then all the money-grabbing councils had to raise money to pay for 'traffic wardens' etc. ....

Provision of Park & Ride at reasonable rates - Round here the rates are pretty reasonable compared with the cost of parking. But of course that is too high ... but people (mostly) pay it.

If the cost was REALLY too high motorists would try something else. Then there are the hospitals which have to charge to stop outsiders parking and then going to the shops.

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - brum

I suspect Andrew-T has some affiliation with councils.

Our local large Hospital has no shops or other places of work for at least 1.5 miles in any direction, has minimal on site parking, yet the council put parking restrictions on the surrounding roads of between 2 and 3 hours, just recently changed to 24/7 enforcement. I know of many cases of people visiting intensive care, terminal and indeed having suffered someone die, only to be greeted with a ticket.

My sister got a ticket at 6 in the morning after spending 4 hours with my mother in intensive care, who died 4 hours later.

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - brum

Well, well, politicians wading into the debate....

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/society/11747831/Free-par...l

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - Andrew-T

I suspect Andrew-T has some affiliation with councils.

Completely unfounded suspicions I'm afraid, brum. I have no 'affiliations' as you call them, with any political entity of any kind. I try not to harbour grudges or conspiracy theories though, and just get on with life.

But there are certainly some hospitals which have suffered in the way I mentioned earlier.

Edited by Andrew-T on 18/07/2015 at 00:17

Shoppers flood back after vandals smash pay & dis - Engineer Andy

Our local town centre Morrisons has finally and thankfully put NPR cameras in and imposed a 2.5 hour limit, previously it was very difficult to park for shopping during the day because town workers parked there all day for free, its still free but the limit has stopped the all day parkers taking advantage and leaving no space for Morrisons customers.

On a general note, the various bodies of apparatchiks has succeeded beyond their wildest dreams, their persecution of the solvent motorist shopper has worked well, we, along with many others seldom use the town shops at all (apart from the aforesaid Morrisons) in any town and wouldn't go within miles of a city, between parking charges and idiotic one way systems/corridors have made town centres hell.

So internet shopping it is, comfortable chair, drink, toilet without having to queue or pay for the privelidge (a huge bugbear of SWMBO and mine the scandalous state and lack of public inconveniences), no gauntlets of road idiots or scameras, no low-life's to avoid motorised or pedestrianised, nice man pulls up in a van, rings bell, dogs go crackers, items delivered...thankyou councils for showing us the light.

Morrisons seems to be a bit more enlightened on this front - my local ones charge a pound (3 hours max) but refund it if you at least spend that much in-store, and have no charge on Sundays.

I suppose from the Councils' pov they may not see any revenue if parking charges are removed, as business rates are I think fixed (i.e. not dependent upon business revenues or profits), and corporation tax is paid by bigger firms (the main beneficiaries of no parking charges being small businesses who like don't pay corporation tax) who pay such taxes directly to central government, wherby that money doesn't get back to the local council (which I think a precentage should do by law, which WOULD encourage free parking).

I can understand why some councils do charge high amounts for parking, especially those whose towns and cities are clogged with traffic and/or whose medieval streets (as well as a lack of viable land for sympathetic car parks [not always easy if every building around is Listed]) were obviously not designed for today's motorised society - the main problem being is that it just penalises everyone bar the rich, whom in such places (central London, Cambridge, other old cities and towns) are (with housing costs going through the roof) displacing ordinary people who just can't afford to live and shop there. Park & Ride facilities do help, but are no good if you are doing a big shop as the buses don't have sufficient storage for all passengers if they are carrying more than a couple of bags each.