Journey times - drd63
I know this has been debated before but I thought I'd add some comment following a return journey from Winchester to Bridge of Allan this week. A distance of 433 each way. So leaving at 6am on Wednesday and returning at 9.00 on Saturday the journey too 6 hours out and 6 hours 10 mins back. I generally find our motorway network pretty good as this and previous returns to Scotland demonstrate. Am I just lucky?
Journey times - Happy Blue!

Presumably you used the M6 Toll to avoid the nightmare around Birmingham or simply arrived there before rush hour. Once past Birmingham you don't go near near any major cities until you reach Glasgow so yes we have a reasonable system if you travel away from rush hours or population centres. I travel from Manchester to Alloa every year or so and the journey can be done quickly once away from Preston.

Journey times - Bromptonaut

Presumably you used the M6 Toll to avoid the nightmare around Birmingham or simply arrived there before rush hour. Once past Birmingham you don't go near near any major cities until you reach Glasgow

The M6 I use goes pretty close to Manchester and Liverpool too.

OP doesn't say how he nvigated Birmingham, obvious oprions would be toll, 'classic' M6 or possibly (from M40) the M5. M1/A50 works for me in avoiding Birmingham and the all too often slow section beyond Wolves and through south Staffs.

Cheshire area, Thelwall and the various conurbations between Liverpool and MAnchester can be sticky too. Can only guarantee geting foot down after the Blackpool spur.

Journey times - Andrew-T

That's impressive - you must have been speeding nearly all the way? :-)

Journey times - Bromptonaut

That's impressive - you must have been speeding nearly all the way? :-)

Google maps says 6:33 via the M6 and without traffic.

Journey times - bathtub tom

That's an average speed in excess of the NSL, so it would appear you must have been clogging it in places.

My bladder wouldn't have lasted that long!

Journey times - Happy Blue!

Leaving the South Coast at 6am, he would have been well past the time the M56 and M62 junctions of the M6 when trouble can occur. However over 400 miles in six hours is 'making progress'. And the Scottish Police love speeders on the M74 north of Carlisle.

Journey times - Falkirk Bairn

To average 72mph he must have been hitting 80mph for a large part of the journey IMHO.

Undoubtedly need to keep his eye open for the postman who might have a letter for him in the next week or two1

Journey times - Andrew-T

To average 72mph he must have been hitting 80mph for a large part of the journey IMHO.

I'm always surprised how low an average speed seems compared with one's perception of how fast one has been driving, even allowing for the 5-10% over-reading of the speedo.

I tend to prefer A-road driving to M'ways (which I use mainly to avoid conurbations), and drive at 60-62 wherever possible. The overall average speed is not much over 40. So even assuming the OP's journey was totally M'way, averaging over 70 (true, not indicated) might imply rather higher speed in places?

Journey times - concrete

I think luck comes into journeys sometimes. Accidents and the like which close roads even at off peak times.

When we moved to Kent from the North East last year I shipped loads of our more delicate possesions (wine etc) myself and I did most of this overnight. What a breeze. Even the Dartford Road Tax Extrortion was free between 10pm and 6 am. Only way to travel if you can.

Cheers Concrete

Journey times - Avant

DRD, I would like to think that these times excluded comfort breaks.

If you did the journeys non-stop (and possibly, given that you posted at 4.35 am on the morning following the return journey, you don't need much sleep), this isn't something we would want to encourage people to emulate via a public forum, any more than we should tempt people to break the speed limit (even though most of us do on occasions!).

Most mere mortals like myself need to stop every 2 hours or so - 3 at the outside - if only to stretch our legs even if we're lucky enough to have a strong bladder. Going to sleep at the wheel is as dangerous as driving when drunk.

Any other views on how often one should stop?

Edited by Avant on 29/06/2015 at 15:46

Journey times - skidpan

Twice a year we visit Aviemore, its about 432 miles each way. Leave home about 8 am and get there about 3.45 pm. We have 3 comfort breaks so the actual travelling time is about 7 hours. That is an average speed of 62 mph. I would estimate that about 390 miles is on motorways and dual carriageways with the remaining 42 on 60 mph roads. In recent years we have been very lucky and can travel pretty much all of the time with cruise set at the appropriate speed limit (using the sat nav speed and not the speedo) and other than the usual bunch of idiots not much passes us.

To do the same distance in 6 hours would require me to average 72 mph and that would mean setting cruise at well over 10 mph over the speed limit since the faster you try to go the more difficult it can be to maintain a constant speed. Not only would that potentially result in points but it would also cost me a fortune in fuel.

Edited by skidpan on 29/06/2015 at 16:08

Journey times - HandCart

No stop for lunch?

Or do you graze?

Journey times - skidpan

No stop for lunch?

Or do you graze?

With 2 drivers one can drive and one can graze (helped by the dog) and drink.

Journey times - HandCart

Ah yes - I realise only now that SWMBO has achieved her conditioning of me so successfully that it never even occurs to me to suggest that she might perhaps do a stint on a long journey. (!)

Journey times - Avant

Your nom de clavier 'HandCart' conjures up wonderful images.....

Journey times - slkfanboy

All I can say is try the jouney on a Friday eve return on Sun eve and you will spend most of you time around manchester.

Time of day and direction plays such an important part of any journey these days. If iy just me I use the train as eating lunch and taking a pee is so easy and a little nap after lunch

Journey times - Bromptonaut

If iy just me I use the train as eating lunch and taking a pee is so easy and a little nap after lunch

Ditto me. If you book ahead and/or chhose travel times carefully rail travel can be absurdly cheap.

I've just booked my son a single from Liverpool to Northampton on Friday coming for £6.60. Specified trains only, travel via Birmingham on London Midland's services. Not just an odd train either; it was offerd twice every hour from just after 09:00 until after lunchtime.

Journey time about 3:20. Possible do do it via another route in 2:50 but at an extra £30. Most LM serices on the route are Class 320/1 with four abreast seats. If you find coach B there are 12 seats at one end in 'club four' set up round full size tables.

Journey times - drd63

Avant, fair comment about driving tired so I shared the early outward journey with my wife and we had eldest son as well so train travel too expensive for 3 people and I needed the car while in Scotland. Return journey was solo but I like driving and don't find it stressful so not tiring and my DS5 is very comfy, as for comfort breaks if you know you're doing a long journey just for go the extra cup of tea, beside service station facilities are always worth avoiding.

Journey times - Smileyman

where safe cruise control is a great device to reduce the strain of driving and keeping the roadside cameras at rest.