I am at a loss to understand why indicating can cause an accident. If you are trying to say that indicating on every occasion that it would be necessary, if there was a car that would be affected, leads inevitably to mindless driving then I disagree.
The letters in the magazine supporting always signalling did not receive a single response to disagree. Of course, doing my IAM drives and test I followed the established procedure.
Please give an example of when giving a correct signal could cause an accident. Please note I am not asking for details of any misleading signals such as indicating left before a turn when you intend to pull in after the turn, or not cancelling a signal. They are misuse of signals. There are numerous examples of failing to signal causing accidents.
The 2013 edition of Roadcraft states, 'If in doubt, it's better to signal than not signal'
I am asking the question from a point of genuine interest. If I am wrong then I would like to learn why so I can improve.
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Some random thoughts about indicators: 1. With directional foglights/"turning lights" now becoming common, we do at least get an inkling that a car is turning, so in a sense they may come to replace indicators. Although, of course, it may be a momentary change of direction or "false alarm". Why a Seat/Skoda/VW/Audi going round a roundabout has to shine one foglight then the other then both off - in broad daylight - remains a mystery. 2. Having the indicator on the left hand stalk in a RHD car - this has been common practice for around 30-40 years now - seems to make the process of indicating just too much hassle for certain drivers, especially those with manual gearboxes. There seems to be an underlying determination to keep the left hand "free" to grip the gear knob in case of sudden gear changing or the phone in case of that all-important phone call. Living abroad and driving on the right in a LHD car I much prefer having the indicator on the left and on my trips to the UK when I hire a car I find the opposite set-up (ie indicator stalk on the SAME side as the gear lever) strangely awkward. 3. The fairly common set-up of "programmed" indicators, whereby a quick flick sets off three flashes and a self-cancel is a brilliant idea, but my car doesn't have it. Having to hold the indicator for a few seconds to make sure another driver has seen my signal (three flashes just in case he didn't see the first two...) - or else turning them fully on then fully off is a pain and that probably explains why some drivers are non-indicators. 4. The self-cancel often kicks in too early and I often find myself re-activating the indicators. It's now second nature to know when this will happen and I always react right on time. And I don't think I'm alone in this! 5. How long before voice-controlled indicators become common? A new feature for Siri, maybe?
Edited by Bilboman on 28/04/2015 at 02:05
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How long before voice-controlled indicators become common? A new feature for Siri, maybe?
I was thinking a little further ahead. The driver only has to think 'I'm about to turn left' to activate the indicator. But I suppose if that develops, the thought can easily be transmitted to drivers behind (or the driverless car behind).
We haven't discussed the obverse of signalling - the assumption that no signal means 'I intend to continue ahead' which obviously applies in normal driving. Unfortunately that can't be assumed when approaching a major intersection, when drivers can't be relied upon to signal if they are turning. That's why people object when rigid lane discipline is forgotten on roundabouts.
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Why a Seat/Skoda/VW/Audi going round a roundabout has to shine one foglight then the other then both off - in broad daylight - remains a mystery
My Seat Leon has cornering foglights and this is my obseravtion.
They do not operate unless the headlights are turned on.
They only operate at relatively low speeds.
Thus I cannot understand why you are seeing them in broad daylight unless of course the driver has his headlights on and is travelling at walking pace.
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Always indicate, always will, even when turning into my driveway. Why, why not? I don't even think about it, it is pretty much automatic, 40 years of indicating have seen to that. I never indicate incorrectly, I am going where I say I am going. The only time I would not indicate is where there could be confusion as to what I was going to do.
The way I look at it is that I will attempt to tell other drivers what I am going to do, it is up to them if they believe me or not.
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I wonder why this only signal if.... was ever introduced. Did someone sitting in an office think it would make everyone concentrate more on their driving ? If so, I don't think it worked.
There seems to be the assumption that nobody will ever miss anything that should have been noticed, or a situation might not change in seconds. Percentage wise ( although there are no statistics ) I am convinced that the safer strategy is always to signal ; providing, as has been often stated, it is not misleading. In which case it is incorrect signalling.
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Programmed indicators are in my view a menace. When you want to turn left, and there are cars behind, you indicate a bit in in advance, to give them warning that you will be slowing and turning.It lets them position their car appropriately ahead of time. The problem with these programmed indicators is (unless I am mistaken, could be) that they are designed for the kind of driver who does not start indicating until they start the manouevre e.g. turning, at which point there is not that much point, it's obvious what you are doing. I could rant about that, drivers who only indicate after they start turning, fnnnarrr ...
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Is anyone going to provide an example of automatic indicating being a dangerous practice ?
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You need to direct that question to the other poster.
I wasgoingto say somthing but ths web siteis unusable.
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I have started to set off onto roundabouts in front of people and then beep at those who don't signal.
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Yes Scot, later. Still can't believe no one has yet realised when it is dangerous and misleading!
Edited by Trilogy on 29/04/2015 at 15:33
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I know one example, approach a junction with a left turn which you intend to take, and a small side road on the left just before. If you indicate left, someone might pull out from the side road into your path.
Another case is when a nutter is on your tail while you overtake. Indicating left, before you pull in, means nutter might accelerate and move even closer to you. Best not to indicate and just move left when safe. (Nutter might take this as an invite to undertake, so you can't win really.)
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"...approach a junction with a left turn which you intend to take, and a small side road on the left just before. If you indicate left, someone might pull out from the side road into your path."
So what do you recommend? No signals at all? Surely you signal, but immediately after the first turn.
The second example is undermined by saying, "You can't win", which I take to mean there is no one way to handle this one. You might as well signal and get to the left soonish. It's more the delayed drift back into the nearside lane that will encourage the undertaker, not the signal.
Edited by FP on 29/04/2015 at 17:52
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My last bit was not well put. I should have typed:
"You might as well signal and get to the left soonish. It's more the delayed drift back into the nearside lane that will encourage the tailgater, not the signal."
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Trilogy, a dangerous and/or misleading signal should not be given.
I still am at a loss to see how always signalling your intention, i.e. giving information, correctly could any more dangerous than giving the signal when you've thought about it. Obviously making sure it is cancelled when no longer needed. I am not suggesting having your brain out of gear. A decent driver would know if a signal could cause confusion. Then don't give it. A correct signal is a correct signal.
I still suspect more accidents are caused by drivers not signalling when they should have done.
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I know one example, approach a junction with a left turn which you intend to take, and a small side road on the left just before. If you indicate left, someone might pull out from the side road into your path.
Another case is when a nutter is on your tail while you overtake. Indicating left, before you pull in, means nutter might accelerate and move even closer to you. Best not to indicate and just move left when safe. (Nutter might take this as an invite to undertake, so you can't win really.)
Leif, well done. Your first comment is the example I was going to use. Sadly, there are accidents when drivers indicate too early and fatalities too. A friend of a friend died when a numpty was in robotic I always indicate to let others know what I am doing mode. If there is no one behind you, it is of course not necessary to indicate.
To all, please think what you are doing. There are always exceptions. None of us is perfect. We all make mistakes, but we just have to minimise them as much as possible.
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As an inexperienced driver I nearly pulled out in front of someone, indicating left, as per the scenario earlier. Sorry about your friend.
Locally I keep seeing people indicating right then left when going straight ahead on a two lane roundabout. It gives me the willies, as I do not know if they are turning right, so I cannot overtake. Some people are thick enough to occupy the left lane, when turning right.
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As an inexperienced driver I nearly pulled out in front of someone, indicating left, as per the scenario earlier. Sorry about your friend. Locally I keep seeing people indicating right then left when going straight ahead on a two lane roundabout. It gives me the willies, as I do not know if they are turning right, so I cannot overtake. Some people are thick enough to occupy the left lane, when turning right.
Agree.
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The example provided is a standard, given in the Highway Code, for the incorrect use of indicators.
I totally agree with the need for drivers to think and we need to work at our driving.
I suspect we may have different interpretations of automatically signalling. Providing drivers do not fail to indicate when they should - fine.
Providing drivers do not give misleading signals, signalling automatically, in my opinion, is fine.
Safe driving everyone.
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<< If there is no one behind you, it is of course not necessary to indicate. >>
I'm sure you don't mean exactly this. Your signals can have just as much value to those in front, including pedestrians who may be waiting to cross, for example.
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