Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - steadyslowdriver

Hi

Soon I'm going to get rid of my BMW 1 Series 2006 120i Sport as the ride is just too harsh.

I've looked at the Golf TSI Match but think the Leon looks better and still has the 1.4 TSI Engine. However what I can't work out is


1) Which Leon 1.4 TSI Trim Level comes with the most luxury items so that its like the Golf Match rather than Sporty (i.e. I don't want the Cupra Sport) as I don't want Low hard Suspension?

2)What's the difference between the Leon Mk 2 Pre 2010 face lift and post 2010 facelift?

Any Help Would be appreciated

Thanks

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - 72 dudes

The nearest equivalent to Match trim level on the Leon would be SE (or Stylance prior to 2009/10).

The 2010 faclift (actually late 2009) included "subtle exterior changes and more sophisticated interiors".

However, the older Leon was not known to have a comfortable ride, despite it being based on the Golf, and refinement and road noise were below par. What really spoils this model of Leon was the acres of grey scratchy plastics on the dash and door panels.

In this respect, a Golf would be much better and they ride well too.

Or you could look at the Skoda Octavia - the Elegance came with lots of kit. An Audi A3 would give you the quality interior, but they did have a firm ride.

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - daveyK_UK

I have found the latest A3 suspension to be firm, I have found the latest Octavia to be poor when it comes to noise insulation.

Haven't had tje latest golf or Leon as a hire car yet I did have a Seat Toledo 1.6 diesel recently which was highly specced and faster than expected, was a good car.

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - Avant

Are you buying new or used? Current Audi A3s give you the option on the Sport and S-line versions to delete the harder suspension and specify the softer ride on the SE. Also, if there's a choice on the car you choose, go for the smaller wheel size: again it'll give you a softer ride.

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - skidpan

Here's my thoughts.

Had a 2008 BMW 118D for 5 1/2 happy years. We bought it to replace 2 cars, a Mini Cooper S and a Micra 1.2. Cars on the short list at the time were the BMW, Honda Civic, Golf and Leon.

Honda Civic won on space but the ride was really terrible and the engine and car noisy.

Golf rode OK but the interior was poor.

Leon rode really badly and the interior was even worse than the Golf.

BMW had a nice interior, enough space, the best engine and with 205/50 17 tyres the ride was perfectly acceptable.

Can I ask what tyres are on yours?

After a couple of years I fitted winter tyres to the BMW, they were 205/55 16 non run flats. They improved the ride considerably.

Early 2013 the BMW was getting ready for new tyres to replace the OEM run flats. Went on e-bay and won a really nice set of genuine BMW 1 series 16" alloys complete with 2 nearly new tyres, one good but repaired tyres and one total scrap tyre for £65. Intended to but one new Vredestein and one new Uniroyal to match the 2 nearly new tyres and have matching tyres on each axle. Never did it, sold the car and later in the year sold the wheels/tyres on e-bay, made a nice profit on those.

So for a lot less money than swapping cars if your car has big wheels I suggest you consider getting a set of "normal" sized wheels and fit them with non-run flats. Aviva, my insureres, were happy for me to do that providing I fitted them in matched sets of 4, no extra cost.

For your info I replaced the BMW with a 1.4 TSI Leon but its the new 2013 model. The ride on that car is excellent as is the interior quality, Seat have made a huge step forward.

Edited by skidpan on 25/01/2015 at 08:39

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - steadyslowdriver

Hi

Thanks for getting back to me, with my BMW it's the 120i Sport (not M Sport) and I've changed from 17" with run flats to 205/55/16 quality Michellin non run flat tyres it's a bit better but still no where near as comfy a ride as say my Partners 118i SE or my previous A3 mk 1.

I think with my BMW and I've found others say this that 2006ish Sports are very bad for a harsh ride and apparently the later M Sports are better. With my Partners 118i SE 2008 it's definetly a better ride as it has non run flats.

Therefore I think it must be the Suspension that makes my car particularly bad. I could get another BMW with SE spec, but I fancy a change.

Looking at the threads above, I think I'll have a budget or around £7k and there will get a late Mk5 or Early Mk 6 Golf 1.4 TSI as it suits my 10 mile A road commute.

Unless anybody has any other ideas?

Thanks

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - oldtoffee

I've had the use of a Mk5 2.0TDI Golf for a while and was impressed. Hard to argue with your choice given your prioritites. The Golf is a very civilised and comfortable car to be in, the 1.4TSi offer performance with economy and smooth running. A Focus used to be the drivers choice over the Golf but the MK5 and Mk6s are on a par or almost.

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - slkfanboy

The 1.4TSI VW/Seat/A3 Engines don't have a very good repuatation for lasting, some failed at 40,000 miles. I would look at other engines sizes

Edited by slkfanboy on 27/01/2015 at 10:40

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - Razzy

The 1.4TSI VW/Seat/A3 Engines don't have a very good repuatation for lasting, some failed at 40,000 miles. I would look at other engines sizes

That was the previous generation wasn't it? Something to do with the timing chain i believe.

The new ones must be belt driven as VAG dont seem to be able to make/buy a chain that lasts. It's been a problem for them on a few engines

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - skidpan

The new ones must be belt driven as VAG dont seem to be able to make/buy a chain that lasts. It's been a problem for them on a few engines

The new ones are indeed belt drive but at the age the OP is looking for it will be a chain cam.

But I would not worry too much. Providing the car you are buying has a full service history using the correct oils etc you would be very unlucky to have an issue.

There have been some failures of this engine but in relation to the number sold its a tiny percentage. Its just like failures of the Ford 1.6 TDCi, when you make hundreds of thousands a few failures are inevitable.

It been well documented on some forums that the failures mainly affect the twin charged cars (the OP is not looking at those) and even then its mostly the cars that have been tuned to stupid power levels. Those owners are actually proud to say that they sell them just before the warranty expires.

As with all use cars history is vitally important. If its been neglected its likely to bite you in the a*** at some point.

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - Razzy

I agree, car history is the most important factor.

It is well publicised when a VAG car has a problem due to their volume, but as one of the most profitable car manufacturers they should spend a few more £'s and increase the robustness of the chains.

Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - steadyslowdriver
Hi
Thanks for the above tips

Just thinking are there any other alternatives

I want to spend 7k
Petrol for shortish commutes
Want a bit of power say 125 bhs plus
Medium hatch
Comfy rather than sporty i.e not low profile tyres and a comfy ride

Any other ideas?

Thanks
Seat Leon - Seat Leon 2010 1.4 TSI - Best for Luxury Not Sport - Avant

Comfort is inevitably subjective, so you need to look at as many options as you have time for. It might be an idea to go to a car supermarket where there will be lots of different models to sit in.

A Golf, A3 or Leon (or Octavia which is slightly bigger) will probably tick most of your boxes - just avoid the twin-charged engines which are anyway quite rare. But don't dismiss the Ford Focus: there are plenty to choose from in all price ranges; you'll get a newer one for your £7,000; and you may well find it comfortable. The 1.8 and 2.0 petrol engines are livelier than the 1.6 with very little loss in economy.