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I was, sort of, looking forward to seeing the forthcoming new Viva (rebadged Chevrolet Spark?) which has been promised/threatened for 2015. I thought it might replace my i10 in a years time. The warranty was an attraction as I thought it showed confidence and goodwill for the longer term.
Clearly not.
Shame, as I have a Vauxhall dealer quite close by....but to have dropped back to a 3 yr warranty - not even a four or five - has, sadly, mean't I won't darken their doorstep, purely on principle. Their 'business speak' reasoningin their explanation for withdrawing it gives me the hump, so no Vauxhalls for me, I'm afraid.
Maybe it's done me a favour without my knowing it ?
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After that, Vauxhall provides a unique Lifetime Warranty, available to the first owner for an unlimited time and a maximum of 100,000 miles.
tinyurl.com/mf29qpn
I cannot see many private Vauxhall owners holding on to their cars for 10 years...
Edited by madf on 02/10/2014 at 12:36
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I think a lot of people don't like Vauxhalls because they can't drive properly. Yes the hand brake is b***** horrible when you've not driven one before, but when you get used to it, its great. Also the ant roll-back feature on hill starts is good too.
We all have certain tastes, but we love our Insignia and won't part with it just yet.
The only thing we worry about is the DPF filling up, which is down to cr@ppy european legislation being forced upon us once again.
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After that, Vauxhall provides a unique Lifetime Warranty, available to the first owner for an unlimited time and a maximum of 100,000 miles.
tinyurl.com/mf29qpn
I cannot see many private Vauxhall owners holding on to their cars for 10 years...
The gentleman who bought the Mokka, traded in his 1999 Vectra 2.5 V6 that he had owned from new. He only got £150 for it. In 2009 his wife traded in her 1993 Cavalier 1.8, which she too had owned from new. On my recommendation she went for a Honda Jazz 1.4.
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every vauxhall i have owned has had electrical problems and component failures.
They are built using GM huge buying power to drive down prices, the components are as cheap as possible.
I have never had anything wrong with the body work, paint, trim - it is always the components that would give up the ghost or bad mechanical design.
A friend had an zafira that had a dodgy 1.9 diesel engine, another had an insignia which has been plagued with component failures and mechanical failures (the gear box is the latest thing to go).
On the otherside, a family member had a 1.2 corsa from new (57 plate), took it to 80,000 miles plus without any problems at all - traded it in this year
The reason I dont like vauxhall is their reluctance to admit a problem when it is common and clear as mud.
The CIM failures which plagues the Vectra C, Astra, etc made the cars dangerous - the vauhall dealer didnt want to know, and vauxhall said it was unique to my car despite hundreds if not thousands of vaxuhall owners on forums saying otherwise.
Despite all my troubles with Vauxhall, our need for a 7 seater still makes me tempted to buy another new zafira because the price is so good at £9995.
Edited by daveyK_UK on 02/10/2014 at 21:07
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>>7 seater still makes me tempted to buy another new zafira because the price is so good >>at £9995.
Old model reduced to that price 12 mths ago - either they are not selling OR they had bings of stock lying in a field. At £9995 it's a bargain for the "larger family"
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it surely down to over supply and trying to tempt buyers to purchase old inefficent petrol engines with terrible gearing, in return for 7 seats for under £10 grand.
I remain tempted.
In terms of value for money, nothing comes close until Dacia release their 7 seater in the UK and/or Proton finally release their 7 seater which was talked about in 2013 but hasnt materialised.
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This Vauxhall bashing is rather boring...
You don't have to put too much effort to find a plethora of faults with many other manufactures other than Vauxhall. VAG and their injector and DSG saga. Dacia and rusty dusters, BMW and VANOS issues plus swirl flaps etc. need I go on?
I ran a 2004 astra H easytronic from 2007 too 2010 for 75k to 120k. I drove it very hard with little maintence and it never missed a beat.
A colleague has run a 2004 corsa 1.2 for 200k now from new. Only replaced a clutch and battery she'd have another Vauxhall in a heartbeat Not all vauxhall cars are unreliable. We've has 3 Toyota in the last few years, and let me tell you, they are not the pinnacle of reliability they once had been. There will naturally be some that are unreliable, but lets not tar all Vauxhalls with the same brush?
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"This Vauxhall bashing is rather boring..."
The thread is entitled 'Goodbye Vauxhall Lifetime Warranty'. but you've not referred to that once in the above reply. I did refer to it but you've not mentioned it at all.
I've not owned a Vauxhall but the warranty offered did rather set them apart from the rest and the forthcoming Viva might well have appealed when comparing replacements for my i10. Foolishly I thought the warrnty indicated confidence in their products. Clearly I was wrong. I even thought I might look at a Mokka when they put the newer 1600 diesel engine in it....my neighbour has a 1.7 diesel and likes it.
When Opel withdrew from the scheme In 2011 Vauxhall spouted hearty assurances that the Vauxhall Lifetime Warranty was here to stay...it's all over the net if you look. And here they are in 2014...their sharp suited business bean counters with pointy shoes and gelled hair trotting out platitudes in modern corporate jargon telling us that the public doesn't now want it. We now, apparently, want the basic 3 yrs. Not even Renault's 4 or Hyundai's 5 ...and definitely not Kia's 7 yrs.
Sorry Vauxhall....not today thank you.
Edited by KB. on 03/10/2014 at 10:44
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Excellent post that KB.
Its a hefty own goal IMO, 'lifetime warranty' spells faith in product or money where mouth is, just as the now up to 7 year warranties of other makers gives strong impressions of their faith in their own products.
The thing is how many customers would have met the terms and conditions to keep lifetime, a handful?
Most buyers if they buy new will probably want another new one within 6 or 7 years, keeping to terms and conditions means proper servcing, including all theose repetitive but expensive jobs, how many people will want to pay out £350/£600 for a major service when the car's 9 years old and worth not much more than the service cost, might include transmission fluids, cambelts (if fitted) even if they get their indy to service the thing if allowed under ts and cs, they still have to have an annual Vx inspection to reset lifetime.
Its the servicing cost and a car owners perceptions which will weed out all but the few die hards, too many people seem able to only value something by its sale value, that old not worth spending the money on it syndrome will remove many others, and thats quite apart from the increasing number of people who feel compelled to keep up their addiction to image of which the car you park outside your gaff is all important.
I suspect by the time the car is 8 years old you'd have weeded out so many owners resulting in so few cars still under lifetime as to be insignificant compared to the headline advertisng value of the scheme.
Didn't Volvo have lifetime cover going some years ago, does that scheme still exist?
Edited by gordonbennet on 03/10/2014 at 11:05
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Excellent post that KB.
Its a hefty own goal IMO, 'lifetime warranty' spells faith in product or money where mouth is, just as the now up to 7 year warranties of other makers gives strong impressions of their faith in their own products.
The thing is how many customers would have met the terms and conditions to keep lifetime, a handful?
Most buyers if they buy new will probably want another new one within 6 or 7 years, keeping to terms and conditions means proper servcing, including all theose repetitive but expensive jobs, how many people will want to pay out £350/£600 for a major service when the car's 9 years old and worth not much more than the service cost, might include transmission fluids, cambelts (if fitted) even if they get their indy to service the thing if allowed under ts and cs, they still have to have an annual Vx inspection to reset lifetime.
Its the servicing cost and a car owners perceptions which will weed out all but the few die hards, too many people seem able to only value something by its sale value, that old not worth spending the money on it syndrome will remove many others, and thats quite apart from the increasing number of people who feel compelled to keep up their addiction to image of which the car you park outside your gaff is all important.
I suspect by the time the car is 8 years old you'd have weeded out so many owners resulting in so few cars still under lifetime as to be insignificant compared to the headline advertisng value of the scheme.
Didn't Volvo have lifetime cover going some years ago, does that scheme still exist?
You are right Volvo did have a lifetime warranty. When my dad placed a claim he had to fight to get them to pay. In the end, as the car had done 55,000 miles at time of claim, they only paid 45%. He wasn't particularly happy about the outcome. N.B. this was about 20 years ago.
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He wasn't particularly happy about the outcome.
Nor would i have been, considering the costs that would have been incurred in maintenance alone keeping that lifetime seemingly worthless warranty intact, let alone the price paid for the vehicle in the first place...Poor show.
How quickly makers make hay out of reputations gained by previous excellent products, and can just as quickly lose said reputation.
Arguably a certain German maker (another climbing back up?), and one particular Japanese maker, could be on the second stage of their routes down this road.
Edited by gordonbennet on 03/10/2014 at 21:36
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"This Vauxhall bashing is rather boring..."
The thread is entitled 'Goodbye Vauxhall Lifetime Warranty'. but you've not referred to that once in the above reply. I did refer to it but you've not mentioned it at all.
I've not owned a Vauxhall but the warranty offered did rather set them apart from the rest and the forthcoming Viva might well have appealed when comparing replacements for my i10. Foolishly I thought the warrnty indicated confidence in their products. Clearly I was wrong. I even thought I might look at a Mokka when they put the newer 1600 diesel engine in it....my neighbour has a 1.7 diesel and likes it.
When Opel withdrew from the scheme In 2011 Vauxhall spouted hearty assurances that the Vauxhall Lifetime Warranty was here to stay...it's all over the net if you look. And here they are in 2014...their sharp suited business bean counters with pointy shoes and gelled hair trotting out platitudes in modern corporate jargon telling us that the public doesn't now want it. We now, apparently, want the basic 3 yrs. Not even Renault's 4 or Hyundai's 5 ...and definitely not Kia's 7 yrs.
Sorry Vauxhall....not today thank you.
Terribly sorry KB.
I did not relise that the spirit of my writing hinted towards this....
I have recently bought an Astra with the new 1.6 CDTI engine. Sure, the 100k warrenty was a draw but I'd be foolish to only buy the car just because of its warranty?
I don't think the withdrawal of the warrenty has anything to do with quality or reliability. I read recently that the majority of private owners in the UK keep a car from new for 27 months. I'm also sure it want be affecting sales.
So from from a profit point of view, what is the point of etending the warranty on all new, pre reg and ex demo cars tol 100k/lifetime?
If you where a share holder I'm sure you would not be criticising.
Yes, as marking goes they should have kept the warranty to 3 years 100k.
Also, cost savings like these save jobs. Such decisions are made daily in corporations. Time will tell how reliable their cars are....
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But go to Opel Ireland and it's 5 years/100000km or Spain and it's 2 years/unlimited
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