Toyota Aygo - not for children - Trilogy

Look at image 9. Disgracefuil visability out of the rear side windows, forwards for rear seat passenger and for over shoulder view for driver. Another car designed by a m****.

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Toyota Aygo - not for children - skidpan

Photo's prove nothing. Only way to find out what its like is to visit a showroom and view it.

If the driver is a m**** no amount of perfect design will sort it.

And at the end of the day what over the shoulder visibility do van drivers have?

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Trilogy

Photo's prove nothing. Only way to find out what its like is to visit a showroom and view it.

If the driver is a m**** no amount of perfect design will sort it.

And at the end of the day what over the shoulder visibility do van drivers have?

Love to see your family album. ;)

BTW, this is a car.

Edited by Trilogy on 08/07/2014 at 18:09

Toyota Aygo - not for children - alan1302

BTW, this is a car.

It is but the fact vans don't have them and neither do lorries show that over shoulder visiblity is not required to drive.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Hamsafar

Yuk, what a horrible car - more a SMART fortwo+2 type of car though.

It's really aimed at couples, singles and OAPs. It's hardly a 'family car'.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - alan1302

It's really aimed at couples, singles and OAPs. It's hardly a 'family car'.

Ideal car for a couple

Toyota Aygo - not for children - veryoldbear

Er, no. OAP's need dirty great big estate cars to cart children, grandchildren, furniture, DIY and building materials, garden refuse etc etc etc.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - alan1302

Er, no. OAP's need dirty great big estate cars to cart children, grandchildren, furniture, DIY and building materials, garden refuse etc etc etc.

Well I'm not an OAP but I'd be able to cope very happily with an Aygo with just my wife and the odd need to carry an extra adult/child as well whilst having plenty of space for DIY/garden refuse.

I've an Hyundai i10 and did a lot of a house move in one.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Gibbo_Wirral

Er, no. OAP's need dirty great big estate cars to cart children, grandchildren, furniture, DIY and building materials, garden refuse etc etc etc.

Depends on the OAP. My dad got along fine with a little 3 door Mk2 Micra.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Auristocrat

Having sat in the new Aygo, both in the front and in the rear, I don't think it is any worse than a number of cars - Ford Ka, VW Up three door, Ford Fiesta, etc. This size of car is more suited to couples who may wish to carry the occasional passenger.

Edited by Auristocrat on 08/07/2014 at 23:52

Toyota Aygo - not for children - gordonbennet

Looks ok to me, not so clone like as the usual suspects from competitors, so long as they haven't mucked amount too much with the basic mechanicals of the car then it should be a good bet...hopefully they've dumped the MMT gearbox from hell and put a proper auto in its stead.

Visibility isn't a problem any more, no one bothers to look before they pull out or change lane (''i indicated''), fewer and fewer can park other than drive straight into a space at a weirdly oblique angle taking up two or more bays, and if an accident happens there's always a shyster no win no fee or accident management shark around to muddy the waters and raise all our insurance premiums.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - veryoldbear

A bit cynical but true.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Phil F.

Looks ok to me, not so clone like as the usual suspects from competitors, so long as they haven't mucked amount too much with the basic mechanicals of the car then it should be a good bet...hopefully they've dumped the MMT gearbox from hell and put a proper auto in its stead.

Visibility isn't a problem any more, no one bothers to look before they pull out or change lane (''i indicated''), fewer and fewer can park other than drive straight into a space at a weirdly oblique angle taking up two or more bays, and if an accident happens there's always a shyster no win no fee or accident management shark around to muddy the waters and raise all our insurance premiums.

Brilliant,could not have put it better!

I think the auto is an updated(?) version of the MMT though.

Cheers...Phil.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - daveyjp

Having had a previous Aygo for 5 years I was interested in the new one and whilst I quite like the look of it, just like every car maker it is now deemed necessary to load it with every conceivable piece of kit, thus increasing the price dramatically once you go above basic.

What was once a £7,500 car is now over £10,000.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Auristocrat

'What was once a £7,500 car is now over £10,000.'

List price of the old Aygo Active starts at £8700 - New Aygo X £8595

Toyota Aygo - not for children - daveyjp
I was comparing cars of similar equipment to ours which was a first generation. The facelift brought different models and a substantial price increase.

Ours was a 5 door '+' model so had central locking, electric windows, 6 speaker stereo, coloured handles and bumpers as standard. We added aircon for an extra £250. This was £7,500. At the time this was cheaper than the 107 and C1.

To get the same equipment you now need the x play model at £9,795 for the three door, the extra doors will be another £300-500, so just over £10k.
Toyota Aygo - not for children - Auristocrat

..and how long ago did you buy yours. The Aygo+ was replaced in 2013 by the Active Plus, and the range was given a re-working of equipment levels then. Compare the 2014 list prices of the first generation Aygo to the list prices of the New Aygo, and depending on trim leve, generally the difference is approx £500-600.

For that money you're getting a stronger and safer bodyshell, more comfort and refinement, and a re-worked version of the 1.0 litre engine giving slightly greater economy.

Also by the end of 2015 the Aygo will be getting Toyota's new Atkinson-cycle 3 cylinder 1.0 litre engine which is said to be up to 30% more economical than the current Toyota unit. Don't know whether it will receive the 1.3 version of the same engine.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Ethan Edwards

Atkinson cycle ..like in the Hybrids ie my 1.5 Yaris HSD. Masses of torque but mostly from the Electric motors. Should be interesting.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - gordonbennet
I think the auto is an updated(?) version of the MMT though.

Oh no, i was hoping Toyota would put it where it belongs, in the skip....together hopefully with the idiot parking brake (or is that parking brake for those who can't drive) when Avensis is replaced.

Edited by gordonbennet on 10/07/2014 at 07:28

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Trilogy

The small side windows at the back and high-backed front seats make the rear feel claustrophobic.



Toyota Aygo - not for children - Auristocrat

As I said previously I have actually sat in both the front and the rear seats of the new Aygo - I didn't find the rear to be claustrophobic.

Has to be down to personal opinion.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Trilogy

As I said previously I have actually sat in both the front and the rear seats of the new Aygo - I didn't find the rear to be claustrophobic.

Has to be down to personal opinion.

And an individual's height.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - alan1302

As I said previously I have actually sat in both the front and the rear seats of the new Aygo - I didn't find the rear to be claustrophobic.

Has to be down to personal opinion.

And an individual's height.

Not really, no. It's down to an opinion. Two people of the same height can find sitting in the back a car differently.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - SteveLee
I think the auto is an updated(?) version of the MMT though.

Oh no, i was hoping Toyota would put it where it belongs, in the skip....together hopefully with the idiot parking brake (or is that parking brake for those who can't drive) when Avensis is replaced.

A proper auto would push it up the plant food output scale costing milllion of sales.

Robotised manuals are the best of both worlds when it comes to the ficticious plant food production figures - being "autos" they bypass the requirement to hold the car in certain gears - short shifting under the light load (on the rollers) giving astronomical MPG figures. This is why modern autos often list better official mpg stats than manuals when it's obviously complete and utter t***.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - gordonbennet
A proper auto would push it up the plant food output scale costing milllion of sales.

I was hoping they might shoe horn in the new CVT, as apparently fitted to latest Yaris, quite disappointed that this MMT thing is allowed to live on causing further misery.

The automated manual gearbox is a dog, when delivering these things i daren't drop an Aygo MMT versions wheels in any cut out slots built into the decks, the thing couldn't apply enough torque at the wheels to pull itself out again (not alone in this Fiats 500 automanual is another culprit), even facing downhill...hence requiring one to find someone trustworthy to sit in the car whilst one ratcheted the heap out of the cut out and trust them to stop the car before it rolled away...not always easy to find someone competent enough with the nerve to do this on a transporter top deck at the average dealership...not insured mate etc etc.

In fact Fiats version was even worse, at the west country import centre, i've seen these things totally unable to power themselves onto the transporter top deck, requiring the nerve wracking procedure of driving as fast as carefully possible onto the top deck, just about making it on, then the driver sits in the car holding it on the brake whilst a colleague lifts the deck up level, then the car can drive forward to its correct place, again not something for the nervous when the deck is 10 ft in the air and nothing but empty space 3" behind the rear wheels.

Quite why people buy into these things has baffled me from the first day i had the displeasure of (would say driving but that doesn't really apply) sitting behind the wheel of an automated manual.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - John Boy

Some very vivid description there, GB!

It's a pity you can't do road tests and write them up.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - gordonbennet

It's a pity you can't do road tests and write them up.

Suspect i'd be about as welcome as a dose of the clap..:-)

Thing is my job required extreme manoeuvers that required precise control, and thats where nearly all of these robotised manual systems can't cope, most owners won't find this out till they have a nasty manoeuver of their own to perform, and why set test drives won't be routed where such weaknesses will manifest themselves ...such as a parking in a tight space when you might have to stop the car immediately after having to apply power to get a wheel over a kerb or up a pot hole, or a really nasty hill start, try it, and don't even think about towing.

Edited by gordonbennet on 11/07/2014 at 16:47

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Avant

"Er, no. OAP's need dirty great big estate cars to cart children, grandchildren, furniture, DIY and building materials, garden refuse etc etc etc."

Too right! Preparing for a move to Dorset, I'm very glad I went for another Octavia estate instead of the similarly-powered Golf GTI which tempted me.

Views differ about rear visibility, but personally I'm with Trilogy. Anything to reduce the risk of blind spots - and the potential not to see a child when reversing - has to be a good thing. I do hope that the fad of narrowing the glass area of side windows for the sake of the stylists will go away soon.

GB - that's a shocking tale re car transporters: through no fault of the transporter drivers, the life of some of these semi-automatic contraptions must be seriously shortened. Even if a Fiat 500 is made elsewhere, it must have been designed in Turin which isn't all that far from the Alps. You'd think they would test them in areas like that where some of the gradients must be similar to the slope up to a transporter.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - gordonbennet

Yes Avant, when compared to the almost unlimited torque available, and the precise variable control of torque increase just by throttle application, of TC and most (not all) CVT autos, then the failings of these automanuals stands out the more...probably good valid reason for limiting the power though or people would abuse the clutch.

As i say i'm talking about extremes here, not the use the vast majority of people will put them to in the cars normal life.

Toyota Aygo - not for children - P3t3r

I'm more worried about driver visibility too. If people worry so much about safety, then why does visibility get worse with every new model? The rear looks very similar to the current/previous model. The boot is still a rubbish shape/size, but I hope they've fix the leaks.

The new models are very dissappointing. It's bigger (longer, wider and taller), heavier, and the 1.0 engine is slower (due to the increased weight etc.). You're forced to go for the 1.2 engine if you want to match the performance of the old 1.0 model. I'm glad I have one of the older models :)

Toyota Aygo - not for children - Auristocrat

As far as I'm aware window areas tend to be reduced in new models to save weight and improve side impact protection.

As regards increased size, the New Aygo 3455mm (35mm longer than the old Aygo), the width at 1615mm is the same as the old Aygo, height is 1460mm (5mm lower than the old Aygo and the weight between 840 and 910kg depending on model (835 to 890kg for the old Aygo) - so we're not talking about a vast increase in size.

The 1.2 PSA engine isn't available in the Aygo - presumably because it is a PSA unit. As I said in a previous post the Aygo will be fitted with the new Atkinson cycle 3 cylinder Toyota engine by the end of 2015. It will certainly have the new 1.0 litre version, and, who knows, possibly the new 1.3 litre version.

Edited by Auristocrat on 13/07/2014 at 14:40

Toyota Aygo - not for children - P3t3r

Sorry, I was looking at the C1 (which I have). What I said applies to the C1. It looks like the Aygo could be a (small) improvement over the older model.