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Not exactly life threatening stuff but does anyone else hate the indicators on the new shape Vectra??? I had the misfortune of picking up a hire car from Heathrow last week to travel back home and after 10 miles of mis-indicating loathed the new Vectras one touch indicators. Anyone else think the same??
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"Anyone else think the same??"
Might I suggest 99.99% of those who have had the misfortune to grapple with these.
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what's wrong with them, as a matter of interest?
Splodgeface
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what's wrong with them, as a matter of interest?
Some people are finding it hard to figure out that if you tap the stalk lightly the indicators will just flash 3 or 4 times and self cancel. If you tap the stalk harder (as in the conventional way) then they'll stay on until you either turn the steering wheel or self cancel them yourself. If you self cancel them and are a bit heavy handed you can make the mistake of indicating in the other direction, thus confusing others around you as they don't know where you're going. Takes a little getting used to, but hardly rocket science.
As hardly anyone ever indicates these days anyway I can't see the problem in confusing other drivers!
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The indicators are a pain in back side. I drove a brand new Vectra yesterday around the M25 and found that indicating was very confusing and distracting. It takes some time to work out how the indicators work and, even when you do, the stalk it is very sentitive and invariably you end up indicating in the oposite direction when trying to cancel it.
I also was not impressed with the drive, the car feels "bulky" and uninspiring.
Old Bill
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Yes I hate them two, the problem is they don't self cancel when you turn the steering wheel back after your turn, and the stalk returns to the centre position automatically whether you do a soft press (3 or 4 flashes) or a hard press (on continuously). Therefore with the stalk in the centre, when you want to turn them off you have to push the lever slightly the opposite way and if you are too rough with it,it starts indicating the other way.
There is a similar problem with the wipers (best to leave them on auto) as this returns to the centre position and works on a sequential basis, ie up (intermidate) up again (slow), up again (fast) to turn them off you have to work out how many downs are needed. At least with the indicators you can see which lights are on by the warning lights. Luckly it wasn't raining on the two times I've hired the new Vectra!
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Obviously a case for:
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Did anyone tell the Vauxhall designers this?
Splodgeface
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Bring back Citroen's non-self-cancelling indicators! Turn 'em on when you want them, turn them off when you've finished. Perfection.
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Yeah, my Alfa 75's got non-cancelling indicators. Not intentionally of course...
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Obviously a case for: If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Did anyone tell the Vauxhall designers this? Splodgeface
exactly.If it aint broke dont fix it.Had the use of a new vectra for one week as a loan car.Indicators?-ridiculous.rest of the car(looks aside) not bad.
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The indicators are a pain in back side. I drove a brand new Vectra yesterday around the M25 and found that indicating was very confusing and distracting.
Indicating on the M25...
You some sort of troublemaker, then?
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Robin Reliant, formerly known as Tom Shaw
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OK, so who was the idiot who designed those then?
Accident waiting to happen I think...
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Current Seat Ibiza is the same, flick the stalk and u get 3 flashes whether u want them or not!
PP
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This'll get added to a previous thread on the same subject later.
www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?f=2&t=10...6
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So why did U buy the thing then?
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Although i have to say i like the new vectra but those indicators are a pain, there are a few other problems with it though!!!!
One is the rear wipers when you turn them on its hard to get em off again (a bit like the indicators have to hit the stick again to cancel them but too hard and they stay on)
And if you dont know where the cruise control is and accidently knock it on as your about to hit the brakes (while indicating) the thing accelerates.
Apart from those i kinda like it!!!!!!
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Sorry 4 my previous conceited reply. From what I have read, I believe they self-cancel after a certain number of flashes? Sownz crazy to me! And you know what manufacturers are like; they love copying each other! Anybody fancy starting another topic about crazy quirks & design disasters? Or does one exist already?
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My Merc has this feature and once you get used to it it is a brilliant system. First time though you end up indicating all over the place but once your used to it it is great.
I cant understand what the fuss is all about, its quite simple to work.
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dont know about you lot but I think the new vectra is an ugly car inside and out,vauxhall are losing the plot.
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Please, please, please keep knocking it. I'm hoping to get one in two to three years time and don't want to pay too much.
Chris M
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I drive 40k per year and have had the misfortune of having 4 Vectras in the last 12 months, as well as 2 Lagunas, one Mazda6, a Zafira and a Mondeo.
The Vectra is worse than bad...and now they\'ve brought out the Signum (eughhh...saw one yesterday) and now a Vectra estate. 0/10 Vauxhall..the Vectra is carp and you probably know it.
Still...they will be popular in the 2nd hand market...a market leading 50-60% depreciation in less than a year...well done Vauxhall.
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Don't think it matters what we all say on here, in 3 years time, they'll be giving them away in Lucky Bags!
Didn't really like the looks of the Vectra, but now that the new Avensis has hit the streets........
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Returned from the airport last night after a couple of weeks working in Germany. I had a brand new Vectra whilst over there (2.2L auto, petrol, LHD of course) and put about 1200km on it. I have had these before, since the launch in fact.
I have never got on with the indicators or wipers - its a solution to a non-existant problem (as is the MB equivalent).
Interestingly I have found that some cars are more sensitive than others; an early car I had had indicators that were almost impossible to manually cancel - the result was that you drove down the road alternately indicating left and right - without being able to hit the 'off' position.
As to the Vectra as a car - well, I must confess that it has grown on me. The looks are certainly an 'acquired taste', but the body seems solidly built and it is a quiet cruiser with a smooth ride and almost no wind or engine noise. Quieter than the equivalent Mondeo. The 2.2 doesn't have as much power as you would expect; economy is very good though (30+mpg from a hard-driven auto with regular 100mph+ on the autobahn).
I would expect them to make an excellent 2nd hand buy, assuming depreciation is as high as everyone anticipates.
Anyway, got to get used to bad manners, lousy food and terrible road congestion once again!
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"its a solution to a non-existant problem (as is the MB equivalent)"
Quite so - the "we can make one stalk do everything".
And don't get me started on the ludicrous MB parking brake.
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I just cannot understand the fuss.
The indicators on an MB are a piece of cake to use and I have now found that when driving another make I get annoyed at the fact that I can't just flick the stalk and get 3 flashes.
As for the parking brake, whats the problem? No big lever in the way, more room for storage and a nice big armrest etc.
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Can somebody please explain why one would want to give just three flashes.
I thought it was one of the fundamentals, that one should try to give at least three flashes before making the manoeuvre and continue the signalling for as long as it is appropriate. At that point a manual cancellation is quite in order.
Or has the Mirror - Signal - Manoeuvre been rewritten as
Mirror (when I remember) - Manoeuvre (you ought to know I always turn here!) - Signal (read as for mirror)
Don't take it personally.
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My Polo has this feature as well, I use it for Motorway work, particularly when returning to lanes 1 or 2 after overtaking.
Correct Highway Code procedure notwithstanding, I like it. Just a quick 1 finger dab down on the stalk and it's done.
In this situation there's not enough steering movement for the indicators to self cancel and as for manual cancelation - please, do I have to do everything round here?
CF
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The recent HJ/Vectras threads motivated me to reply to my original thread of a year ago, yes I still hate the Vectra indicators such that when I pick up a hire car (about every couple of weeks) I specifically ask not to have a Vectra, and hope to get a Mondeo or Avensis. Shame really, had Vauxhall fitted 'normal' indicators the car would be fine and as good as the opposition...
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no i just hate vectras or fridge freezers as our family call them (look at the silver ones with the chrome strip) my mate who is a mechanic is getting 3 or 4 year old vectras needing serious welding for mot tests , no thanks i dont want one even for nothing i would only have hassle trying to sell it. horrible
note ..this is only my opinion and the new golf has these indicators and i like them.
cheers...keo
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3 years on, I still hate those indicators!
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...and after 4 years Vauxswall (as my Polish friend calls them) have finally listened.. The new 2007 Corsa doesn't have them!
hooray!!
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The new 2007 Corsa doesn't have them!
.. because it's really a Fiat!
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3 years on, I still hate those indicators!
2 yrs & 3 mnths on, no problem whatsoever - don't mind them at all. In fact I hate going back to cars with the old set up. They're so 20th century.
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Hate to say it but perhaps and Audi A4 or a Ford Mondeo has a good compromise. Press up/down for three flashes of indicators but press down/up further then they work like any car.
I had a VX Vectra as a hire car for a few weeks and soon got used to it but ... no I prefer the Audi/Ford version.
For anyone hiring a VX like this then surely it could cause accidents? Press down to indicate left... try to cancel and then signal right... it is all okay when it's your usual car etc. Really gets blind drivers confused too.
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Press down to indicate left... try to cancel and then signal right...
As I have mentioned in one of the other threads on this subject:-
If you're indicating right, then it's easier to tap the stalk toward the right to cancel so you don't accidentally then turn on the left indicators if you press the stalk too hard.
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Once you've learned the system fine. Does not take rocket scientist, or as a colleague of mine (who as a rocket scientist in the past) says, rocket science is not rocket science any more.
But because VX are on their own here with this "clever" indicator, if you drive them infrequently, it could be complicated more than iy ought to. We all could figure out indicating in most cars... even a blind Iraqi would be okay as long as it was not a Vectra C ;-)
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But because VX are on their own here with this "clever" indicator...
On their own? I believe BMW and at least one other car manufacturer uses this system as well.
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and at least one other car manufacturer ...
Mercedes is one of the others, according to a post further up this thread.
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As mentioned elsewhere I've just bought a Veccie. I got on fine with the indicators, it's the lack of clutch pedal which kept catching me out... Vauxhall aren't alone on that either! :-)
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My 55 reg mondeo has them, I hate them. When you go to cancel the indicator after a gentle turn that is on the verge of when they self-cancel and they happen to just cancel, you then tap the indicator in the opposite direction and cause confusion. if anyone knows how to disable the function, I would be very grateful for the info.
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Are they more sensitive/worse than those on a Mondeo. I think they're the easiest one-touch indicator things ever, you know exactly what's going on with them, and I really don't find them problematic at all. That said, I've a friend who has them on a new-shape Astra and he reckons they're so light that even a light/accidental movement causes them to come on.
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I had a Vectra 1.8 SRi hire car last week and was looking forward to seeing what all the fuss was about. I had absolutely no problem with them at all.
Overall, I liked the car.
Chris
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