Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - Dingle232

I am looking at an 11 plate E220 CDi, 30k, auto with full service history. Car looks clean but just wondered if there's anything in particular I should look out for? Plan is to keep it and run it to death.

If anyone has an idea of service intervals/cost at main agents I'd also welcome that as I've been away all week and haven't had time to call and find out. I know a very good MB Indy in my area that I'll probably use if they are significantly cheaper.

Thanks in advance.

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - barney100

I'm on my 3rd Merc.. all used. Get a good indie for servicing it's miles cheaper. join the owners club for access to advice on any aspect of the car. i know lots of people with them and they all like them. These cars last for years with regular maintainance. downside is they don't like the icy roads in winter.

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - gordonbennet

I second Barney, i know a chap who runs E220cdi's as private hire cars, professionally driven mind not the usual, my MB indy services them from new, the chap usually sells them on to willing buyers when they click over 400k miles, very little goes wrong in that time.

No 2WD car on wide summer slicks likes icy roads, fitting the correct tyres for the conditions makes the world of difference.

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - Dingle232

Thanks guys that's good to know. HJ review mentions auto gearboxes may have an issue - do you know if this is widespread or has been cured on the later models?

Also any idea on typical Indy servicing costs?

Ref the winter stuff my plan would be to buy a quality set of winter tyres - I assume that makes them no worse than any other RWD motor on these?

Thanks again.

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - gordonbennet

If you find a good indy to service the thing, they will definately advise changing the oil in the gearbox, probably every 40 or 50k.

If it has the 7 speed box then oil changing is quite specialised, has to be pumped in and out from underneath whilst linked to MB's Star diagnostics apparently, but any MB indy worth his salt should have the necessary tools and skills.

My old as the hills Benz on its winter tyres is one of only two 2WD cars that can get out of our steep road when the snow gets around 6" i start work many mornings at 0400 and not getting there is not an option, the other is a Pug 106 shod on all seasons the chap who owns it turns it round and reverses up...no one else seems to realise what and why he's doing it.

Tip for winter tyres, if you get this Benz start looking for your winter set from now on throughout the whole summer, i always buy winter tyres in summer at near enough half price, tyreleader have been beating camskill/mytyres/oponeo into a cocked hat recently, i've bought two sets of tyres from them this month at very good prices

If you're going to keep it as long as you hope then might be worth finding a set of good used alloys from a W211 for the winter set too.

Edited by gordonbennet on 10/05/2014 at 20:45

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - daveyjp
Like any modern diesel purchase the main thing to look out for is your use.

Will you be running it for high annual miles a year for many many years? If not death of expensive to replace parts may come sooner than expected!

Main dealer servicing will be eyewatering. At 30k the next dealer service will be at 12 months or 45,000 miles and will probably flag up a gearbox oil change. If it does you will be in for a bill of £700+.

Check brakes at that mileage, if they haven't all been changed by now they could well be due. £600 at least for disks and pads at a dealer.
Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - Dingle232
Thanks again. Looks like a standard service at a main agent is around £320 so an Indy should make that respectable.

I've changed my car quite a lot in the last few years due to a combo of boredom and nightly faults that I haven't been able to fix. The car, if I bought it, wouldn't be doing stellar mileage but would be one I would want to keep long term given it's apparent quality and reliability.
Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - barney100

Not had gearbox problems....touches wood quick. Over nearly five years I've had front springs, not expensive, normal tyres and discs/pads, again not exp. Bulbs are a doddle to change, Check athe central locking is working properly, that was my biggest bill for a pump of some sort but not an eye watering one. I have three cars, Volvo v70, Toyota camper and the Merc, The Volvo has cost more than the Merc to run but does starship miles to be fair and the Toyota does small mileages for peanuts so far but is heavier on fuel than the other two. (2.7 petrol)

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - Dingle232

I decided not to pursue the E Class after all as it proved just a tad too big for me. For the same money I can look at a slightly newer C220 CDi or, alternatively, a Honda Accord 2.2 i-DTEc EX. The only reason I am considering changing is what appears to be the onset of the dreaded EPB issue on my Passat which otherwise I love.

How do the above 2 cars fare in terms of reliability?

Edited by Dingle232 on 28/05/2014 at 16:53

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - Happy Blue!

Is the EPB issue really a maor problem or does it just need a bit of TLC; i.e. stripping down, greasing up and reassembling? If that's the only problem, get it fixed and keep the car.

Or are you practicing Man Economics? I have a small problem on my car which will cost £300 to fix. I am better off buying a new car...

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - Dingle232

Is the EPB issue really a maor problem or does it just need a bit of TLC; i.e. stripping down, greasing up and reassembling? If that's the only problem, get it fixed and keep the car.

Or are you practicing Man Economics? I have a small problem on my car which will cost £300 to fix. I am better off buying a new car...

Ha - I guess I am to some degree if am being honest though the EPB issue is genuinely proving to be a real pain with it not staying on when on inclines and the Auto hold engaging before the car has stopped. Whilst I am sure they can tinker/fix it there seem to be such a plethora of reported issues with it that I am actually consider it a 'risk' that the car is out of warranty in November and a repair bill is, let's say' expensive. So to some degree I am, but not totally.
Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - gordonbennet

See no reason why the C Class should be any less reliable/durable than its big brother E Class.

I agree with you to ditch the EPB, the trouble is you don't know if throwing £300 at the thing will fix it, it might be twice or three times that if it gives up the ghost completely...i suspect like automated manual boxes (durability and cost to fix), as cars fitted with them age they will be hard to sell on.

Be assured the Benz parking brake hasn't changed in 20 years, good design not broke so not fixed, its not a good design for a manual box but then no one who enjoys nice cars would ever specify a Benz with such a thing, those who do so live to regret it when they find its unsaleable.

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - Dingle232
Agree gb - the EPB 'may' be ok and it 'may not'. To be fair I was warned before I bought the car so went into it with my eyes open but a quick Google reveals that the issue with it seems quite common; more so on Passats than other VW's it would appear and certainly more common than I realised.

My other option is an Accord which I also like the look of and they look to have a solid reputation for reliability. Not driven either yet and I am taking my time so may be another week before I do. From the research I've done thus far it appears the MB has a very slight edge on overall running costs but not much in it.
Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - gordonbennet

Where you might score better with the MB is the number of very good make specialist indy workshops scattered about, most of the good ones use the right up to date diagnostics.

(edit...though to balance that, if carefully bought you might get several years pre purchased service agreement at a very good price from Honda)

I'm not up on newer Hondas, whilst i like the older models and have no doubts about Hondas reliability and the makes customer service commitments, i just don't like their latest designs, except curiously Jazz.

Whilst an old design daughter is on her second 2004 Civic 2.0S type, both of which have proved to be superb well made cars despite her heroic efforts to break the things, the only downside i've found is that genuine parts are seriously expensive if needed, sons otherwise bombproof 2005 CRV required replacement front drive shafts, genuine's over £1k, refurbs via indy factor around £200 all in fitted by he and me.

MB's parts vary in price, where they do score well is that you can buy many individual parts still from Benz where other makers will only list complete units at silly prices...but in practice its often an indy workshops (typical) who has the customer cost saving ethic to be bothered to strip a unit and fit the part that actually failed.

Edited by gordonbennet on 28/05/2014 at 21:43

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - twitcherman

"an old design daughter" - seems a little harsh on the poor girl!

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - gordonbennet

"an old design daughter" - seems a little harsh on the poor girl!

haha...i noticed that lack of puntuation too late to edit...might have known some backroom wag would highlight it for all to see, thanks a bundle Twitcherman...:-)

Actually she is a little ''old'' in design, kind, honourable, hard working ethic, a bit bonkers and with a heart of gold.

Edited by gordonbennet on 29/05/2014 at 21:21

Mercedes E220 - Mercedes E220 - anything to know? - Dingle232

Passat came back from the dealers today where it was in to have the EPB/Auto Hold looked at/fixed in addition to a couple of rattles that I wanted sorting the next time it went in. Yesterday I went for a test ride with the Technician who said 'yep I agree there's a problem and the rattes need the dash taking out partially - 2 day job'. That was at 15:30 yesterday.

It was 'ready' at 10:30 this morning. Rattles still there, no fault with the EPB.

I swear all they did was move it and wash it - honestly.

I give up.