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Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

I've included the 2014 Mazda 3 2.0 120 PS auto on my potential next car shortlist but am now having second thoughts due to the bad reputation which Mazdas have for being rust prone in Canada and the USA. Is this reputation prevalent in the UK too? Would you say that Mazdas are any worse or better than other brands in this regard? I intend to keep the car for about 8 years and we don't use road salt here.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - skidpan

Ignore what you read, especially about other markets where treatment may well be different.

Just use your eyes, have you seen many rusty Mazda's, are there litterally thousands of rusty Mazda's littering our roads and car parks.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - 72 dudes

Not a problem in your climate and I don't believe Mazda are any worse than others.

The only issue I know of was on the Mark II MX5 which ran from 1998 to 2004. An alarmingly high number of these have corroded front chassis rails, even cherished ones with low mileage which were kept in a garage. The chassis rails are not immediately visible unless you know where to look.

On a new Mazda 3, not a problem.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - gordonbennet

How can anyone answer for a new model, only time will tell, VW's are rated but i see lots of Passats with rust riddled front wings.

Getting completely under most cars after 2 or 3 winters would surprise people who seem convinced that modern cars don't rust.

Much depends on environment and previous use and care, cars used on heavily salted roads will have problems unless the owner takes the trouble to clean the underside regularly, and that makes almost all company lease and rental cars possible rotters, and an increasing number of privately owned by an increasingly lazy motoring public.

Looked after reasonably i have no doubt a new Mazda would be as good a bet as most other makes, certainly better than the Suzuki in the other thread which was rusty on delivery and the dealer and bodyshop, messrs Bodgit and Scarper useless.

I like the idea of an unstressed 2.0 litre NA engine in a relatively light car, maybe a bit of TLC now and again to ensure long life would be worth making such a choice.

Edited by gordonbennet on 31/03/2014 at 09:11

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - skidpan

How can anyone answer for a new model, only time will tell, VW's are rated but i see lots of Passats with rust riddled front wings.

Not seen one myself, would be very surprised if I did.

Getting completely under most cars after 2 or 3 winters would surprise people who seem convinced that modern cars don't rust.

Always have a good look under our cars every year. 8 year old Golf, no rust, 5 year old C-max, no rust, 6 year old Micra, no rust, 4 year old Kia Ceed, no rust, 5 year old BMW, no rust. From that I would say that 100% of our recent cars have no rust after normal use. No annual jet washing, no hosing undrer the wings, just a weekly/fortnightly clean. Last car I had that showed any signs of rust was a Puma and they have all rusted on the rear arches. Ours was 6 years old before it actually broke through. That model was not a good example, definitely caused by the carpet like material Ford fitted in the rear arches, it absorbed and retained water.

certainly better than the Suzuki in the other thread which was rusty on delivery

That was just a simple delivery defect that has been blown out of all proportion. A chip on the paint is hardly serious corrosion.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - dan86

I have owned several Suzukis and not one of them has suffered any rust even my swift that had to have body work done to it after a fairly bad accident.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - davecooper
On my third Mazda and can safely say there has been absolutely zero rust problems with the bodywork. The only area that has suffered are the alloys which have had issues with some corrosion during the winters. However, the dealers have always expained that this was a known issue due to supplier problems and they would be replaced free of charge should I wish. This problem has apparently gone away now though. I have just bought a Mazda 3 120PS and I can honestly say that the issue of rust never even came into my mind when I was considering it. It's a very good car.
Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

This is quite reassuring I must say. Still slightly worried by the fact that Mazda models have more references to rust in the "Good & Bad" sections of the reviews on this website compared to, say, VW models.

@davecooper - Thanks for the first hand information. I'll ask you a few questions about your experiences if you don't mind. 1) How old were your previous Mazdas when you sold/scrapped them? 2) Is your new Mazda a manual or auto? 3) Which other cars did you test drive before buying your current Mazda? Thanks again.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - davecooper
Lanbada.

I had two Mazda 2's from new and kept them each for 3 years (PCP). Traded them both in at the dealers. My new 3 is a manual, nothing against auto's at all, I just like a manual shift and it saved me a bit of money which went on leather.

I drive various hire cars for business trips so have fairly good experience of cars such as the Focus, Astra, Cee'd and A3 etc. From an everyday driving perspective it is certainly on a par with any of these and for me it is the most comfortable. Different people have different priorities when buying cars but for me, the combination of the drive, equipment levels and styling sold it to me. The other big plus is that you will never see as many of these around as you will its rivals.
Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

Oh ok so your Mazdas weren't that old then.

Very pleased to hear that the 3 compares well to other cars in the segment. If I do buy it, it will come with black leather interior. Is the leather of good quality? What about road noise? Some reviewers said it's a bit noisier than then competition. Thanks once again for the info.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - davecooper

The leather is good quality and transforms the interior. The other advantage of it is that the power adjustment allows minute adjustments to be made. After the 2, which does have quite a hard ride, the 3 is a step change. However, it probably isn't the quietest car over rough road surfaces but it certainly isn't obtrusive. Mine is on 18" wheels as well which certainly won't do the ride any favours. From what I remember from the test drive on 16" wheels, the ride and road noise were much better. If there is more wind noise than some, I haven't noticed it. One of the reasons for buying a bigger car (and it is quite large) was as a more comfortable car for long journeys. After 1500 miles in three weeks, it seems to be doing well in that department.

I hope that helps. Maybe not a car for everyone but for me it ticks the right boxes and I am happy to live with any compromises that invariably have to be made.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

The model I'm looking at comes with 18 inch wheels as standard too. Might make sense to ask the dealer to swap them with 16 inch ones for me although I won't expect any discounts. Would make it cheaper to replace tyres when they wear out too I suppose.

Anyway, thanks a million for sharing the info and I hope you will be satisfied with your car for a long time.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - davecooper
Sorry, just seen this post of yours. It depends what you are looking for but the 18"s are not as bad as I thought they would be. My old 2 was on 16"s with similar profiles to the 18"s on the 3. The 2 did tend to crash into potholes somewhat and I did worry that this car would do the same. However, I can report that this is not the case and I can easily live with the ride and any small increase in road noise there may be as a result of the larger wheels. (I have music on most of the time so don't hear it anyway). As I said, for me coming from a harder riding car to this, it is a huge improvement, someone used to driving a Merc or similar may not think so.
Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

My current car is a 1997 Civic VTi so my expectations are quite reasonable I suppose.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - gordonbennet

My current car is a 1997 Civic VTi so my expectations are quite reasonable I suppose.

Somehow i doubt anything from the short list (nor much else new) will last as long or be as trouble free as that fine car.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

It drives very well after 120k miles and has very little rust but something goes wrong with it every 4 months or so. Not the quietest car either!

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - Auristocrat

We've had three Mazdas from new - a 2003 (53 reg) 323 that was kept for three years, a 2003 (53 reg) Premacy that was kept for 4 years, and a 2007 (57 reg) Mazda 2 that was kept for 4.5 years.

No problems as regards rust with either of them.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - Bobbin Threadbare

We've had three Mazdas from new - a 2003 (53 reg) 323 that was kept for three years, a 2003 (53 reg) Premacy that was kept for 4 years, and a 2007 (57 reg) Mazda 2 that was kept for 4.5 years.

No problems as regards rust with either of them.

Nope, me neither, from a 6 or a MX-5. Mum has a Mazda 2 which is absolutely brand spanking new and it's a great little car.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - Avant

I've read recently somewhere that this new 2.0 Mazda engine give of its best only at high revs, with little low-down torque.

If true it wouldn't suit my style of driving, but you need a good long test drive to see if it suits yours.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - skidpan

What Car did a 2 car test including the 2 litre Mazda 3 petrol a few months ago, the other car was the Seat Leon 1.2 TSi.

The Seat was easily the quickest car except in the meaningless 0 - 60 test and the equally meaningless top speed. For example. In the tests that really matter in day to day driving the Mazda accelerated from 30 - 50 in 4th gear in 8.6 seconds, the Seat took 7.3 seconds. 50 - 70 in 6th in the Mazda took 18.0 seconds, the Seats time was 14.7 seconds.

The Mazda had 120 PS and 155 lbs ft of torque whereas the Seat has 105 PS and 129 lbs ft. The difference is where they produce it, the Seat is between 1400 and 6000 rpm, the Mazda between 4000 and 6000 rpm meaning little low down power/torque exacly like Avant and the in gear figures suggest.

My 140 PS Leon does 45 mpg overall, my neighbours previous model 2.0 Mazda 3 could only do low 30's. He now has a diesel.

Overall the Mada came second in the test with road noise, insurance cost and handling counting against it.

Edited by skidpan on 01/04/2014 at 08:16

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - davecooper
If you want to buy purely based on performance figures then fine. Personally I never take any notice of reviews. If the car ticks the right boxes for me and I enjoy driving it, I will buy it. Things like space, on the limit handling, insurance costs and resale value etc do not figure very highly on my wish list.
Lastly on the fuel consumption side, I have just done a 700 mile round trip to London in the Mazda and averaged 48mpg.
Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - 72 dudes

What Car did a 2 car test including the 2 litre Mazda 3 petrol a few months ago, the other car was the Seat Leon 1.2 TSi.

I read that test too.

I remember looking at the photos and thinking that, for me, the Mazda looked far nicer outside and inside. What Car? do seem a little biased towards VAG products IMO.

I have no doubt that the Leon would feel more torquey in daily driving. As usual, a good test drive and individual preferences will play a big part.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - Avant

"What Car? do seem a little biased towards VAG products IMO."

Not when they're in a group test against a BMW they aren't.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

Thats very useful information as I'm also considering the Leon & Golf with the 1.4 TSi 122 PS engine. I much prefer the interior and exterior appearance of the Mazda though.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - kiss (keep it simple)

Mazda6 2002-2007 suffer rust in the rear wheel arches. Mine's a 2004 and I have kept it partly at bay by regular touch-ups with Kurust. Some of the older ones are rusted right through. No problems anywhere else on the car though.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - derv321

The Mazda3 Mk1 I had was recalled for rear wheel arch problems that could cause rust. I think it was a underseal problem and at the time (2007) the dealer mentioned that if left the rear arches would rust. We have owned 9 mazda3 since 2004 and apart from the front alloys corroding after 2-2.5years if brake dust isnt removed every 2-3weeks my only rust issue was on my 2010 TS where the edges of the door hinges showed some cosmetic surface rust after 6months (car was Crystal Pearl White so showed up any paint blemish). Sprayed hinges with WD40 and things didnt get worse - dealer offered to repaint them but I'd loose the car for 3 days... Some 58plate 3's also had a precautionary recall for wiper motor in 2010.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

Is it normal for alloy wheels to rust after 2 years if they are not cleaned regularly? My Civic's 17-yr old wheels get washed 3-4 times a year and there's no rust on them yet.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - derv321

Is it normal for alloy wheels to rust after 2 years if they are not cleaned regularly? Honda were not much better - '02 Civic CTDI needed 4 new wheels afer 2 years (its not rust but the paint blisters at the edges next to the back of the wheel) and Honda couldnt even suppy the same design that they supplied the car with - lucky I wasnt paying for them. Must be the newer water based paint as a 1996 Peugeot 306 alloy lasted without bubbling laquer and similar wash cycles. The last Mazda I had was fine after 3.5 years - used Diamondbrite Alloy protector coating - 1 treatment per year. I've used this on my current 3 so only time will tell.

Mazda - More pront to rust than others? Torque Question - derv321

I have a 2.0 SE-L 6speed and after 3months/1700 miles torque isnt an issue. Yes, if you're overtaking, 3500 revs and above it really comes alive but after 20years with Peugeot 1.8/8D, VW 1.9PD Diesels and Mazda 1.6TD diesels torque is very important to me and I am fine with the 2.0Skyactive 120. The revs I use are similar to my last 3TD. The Skyactiv 2.0 which is Direct Injection Petrol is much better than the old 1.6MZR in the Mk2. If around town I get 37-40 and reckon A road driving is 50-55MPG.

Mazda - More pront to rust than others? Torque Question - lambada

Is it a 6-speed manual or auto? If auto, how smooth is the gearbox? Any idea as to how engine noise compares to a 1.4 TSi VAG engine?

Mazda - More pront to rust than others? Torque Question - derv321

Its manual and initially quite notchy gearbox. Dont know about the VW - wont touch the VW group after an Ibiza I had from new developed 15 faults in 14months and their Milton Keynes HQ thought we were unreasonable asking for a good will gesture when the car had a 3year warranty for defects (we had 4 Seats at the time). Our response for the last 11yrs - 11 Mazda's, 1 Honda and 0 VAG cars - no goodwill = no future sales - own goal by them.

Mazda - More pront to rust than others? Torque Question - lambada

Thanks for your feedback. I'll be testing the 1.5 with a manual gearbox on Friday. Unfortunately my dealer doesn't have the 2.0 available for test drives but at least I'll get an idea of how the car handles.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - NARU

I'm intending to keep my MX-5 long-term, so took it to a rust specialist when it was two years old.

Mind you, when I talk long term, I'm talking almost forever, so it was a fairly easy decision.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - piggy

My 2009 2lt. is now 4 1/2 years old and not a sign of rust. It is cleaned every couple of weeks which might help. The nearside front alloy is showing some corrosion, but that's down to a parking misjudgement when I scraped a kerb. By the way,it's now on 53,500 miles and nothing has gone wrong, everything still works.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - Snakey

I had a 2002 MX5 and I was disgusted at how easily and how seriously it rusted. I'm not expecting no rust at all on what would have now been a 12 year old car but at the time it compared very poorly to similarly aged cars on the road (Focus, Corollas,Astras etc)

The fact the chassis supporting rails rusted from the inside out, and were therefore as strong as wet paper made me get rid of the car - shame really as they are cracking cars but I will not accept rampant rust on a modern car.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

That's shocking. Was it exposed to road salt much?

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - lambada

This isn't exactly what I was hoping to read: http://mazda3revolution.com/forums/2014-mazda-3-skyactiv-appearance-interior/58489-rust.html

The posters on the thread are all based in the USA/Canada however I believe their cars are made at the same factory which makes European market cars. Does anyone on here have this rust issue with a 2014 saloon Mazda 3?

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - oldtoffee

>>>>>How can anyone answer for a new model, only time will tell, VW's are rated but i see >>>>>lots of Passats with rust riddled front wings.

>>>>>Not seen one myself, would be very surprised if I did

Be surprised. It is a very common and well publicised problem with the B5 Passats, forums are awash with stories of how badly VW UK have handled warranty issues with this and VW have even issued a tech fix for it but refuse to agree it is a warranty issue. I had a 2005 Passat and after 2 months of haggling and reading dozens of stories on UK and US VW owner sites finally for VW to cough 100% for the repair to both front wings. They paid for it via their customer services department as a goodwill gesture not a warranty acknowledgement.

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - Snakey

Since having my rusty MX5 I've paid more attention to this, and I've noticed quite a few Mazda 3's (usually around the 2004 era) which have pretty rotten wheelarches - predominantly the rear.

Whether thats just a bad batch or not but I see loads of 1999-2000 era Peugeots an Citroens where the bodywork looks excellent, reversing the myth of rusty french cars and rock solid jap cars.

I've spoken to someone with a 2006 MX5 (the MK3) and they're complaining about bubbles appearing the in the paintwork, as well as the alloy wheels degrading quite badly - on a 25,000 mile car I think thats poor, especially as we're not in a coastal area!

Mazda - More prone to rust than others? - derv321

I had a 55 plate that was recalled in 2007 for poorly applied rear wheel arch underseal to be checked and reapplied. The one thing I do every spring is pressure wash the arches and use fingers and wheel brushes to clean them - rear ones are always worse. I've seen one of my old Mazda's recently (6yrs old now) and bodywork in A1 condition. I'll agree that Mazda alloys need TLC, my dads 3 is 8months old and there is brake dust bubbling on a front alloy. Dealer will be treating the car to a new alloy wheel. The flip side is my last Mazda which had diamondbrite alloy protector brushed on every autumn (DIY task) and no degrading after 3.5yrs. Also made the alloys easy to clean in the winter.

 

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