Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - daveyK_UK

The least informative article ever?

www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/advice/petrol-vs-diesel/?...1

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - gordonbennet

HJ's safe for the time being on the strength of that.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - groaver

Good grief!

I see he was at Autocar. Do journalists never consider the type of driving that may influence the reliability of a diesel?

No.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - Bromptonaut

Good grief!

I see he was at Autocar. Do journalists never consider the type of driving that may influence the reliability of a diesel?

No.

Nor anything about playing to diesel's strengths.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - Snakey

'a lot of miles' is also a very vague statement!

I do around 14k miles a year and I'm sticking to petrol - with a diesel I could probably save around £4-500 a year on fuel, but can't be bothered with the potential grief of diesels in my price range.

Personally my cutoff where a diesel becomes 'essential' is 20k miles or more a year - even then I would be more inclined towards a hybrid, and they never got a mention in tha article.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - Bobbin Threadbare

This reads like one of my Year 8 pupils wrote it for the energy and environment topic that we do in lower school science. They're 12 years old.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - Trilogy

I cover 18,000 miles a year. I'm sticking with old school diesel, pre-common rail. However, I'd be tempted by an Alfa 156 JTD if it had more space.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - groaver

This reads like one of my Year 8 pupils wrote it for the energy and environment topic that we do in lower school science. They're 12 years old.

di3sels are really goOd.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - Cyd

Hhhmm! Incisive journalism at its best, eh?

NOT!

Obviously I'm in the wrong business. Instead of designing components for new vehicle projects, I should be a journalist writing meaningless d***** about them. I could do that!

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - drd63
I really can't see the problem, essentially diesels cost more to buy, give better mpg but this is offset by higher fuel cost per litre. Economies mean lower priced cars don't lend themselves to the higher production costs of diesel engines. So as a journalist with xx number of column words to use what has he said that is so wrong?
Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - alan1302
I really can't see the problem, essentially diesels cost more to buy, give better mpg but this is offset by higher fuel cost per litre. Economies mean lower priced cars don't lend themselves to the higher production costs of diesel engines. So as a journalist with xx number of column words to use what has he said that is so wrong?

It's because they have not really given any proper information - probably not down to the journalist themseves but the article as it is is very poor and not really of any help as it's not detailed eniough. and so not worth bothering with.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - RicardoB

Janet and John look for a new car.

Today, Janet and John are going to look at new cars. Do you like cars? John does. Hear the "brum brum" noises. See Janet look to the sky.

John says, "I like diesel cars, because they go a lot further per gallon, even though they and diesel are more expensive than petrol."

Janet says, "I like a car to have a hook for my shopping bag. But anyway, John, you don't need diesel because you only drive your car up and down the garden path, and the cost difference between diesel and petrol would take an awfully long time to recoup."

See John stamp his feet on the ground. See Janet huff and puff.

Watch out for the handbag, John.

Janet says, "It is also important to have a car with tough upholstery on the seats, in case you have a little accident." See John blush.

See Janet walking to a car showroom with a "mean face" and a copy of Which?.

See the salesmen disappear.

Bye bye everybody. Bye bye.

(To be continued - or not)

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - gordonbennet

Brilliant RicardoB, yes please for the second instalment.

Reminded me again how much i miss Wogan, and how far round the U Bend Radio 2 has disappeared.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - RicardoB

Thanks Gordon.

Indeed - I rarely trouble Radio 2 nowadays - and I am still quite young, apparantly.

I should have acknowledged Mr Sturbs and Sir Terry, both of whom are acquaintances, as I was (am) one of the"regular" TOGS.

Hey ho.

Anyway, going off message.

Janet says, "Gosh, look how expensive these lovely new cars are. I'm sure our Honda (other similar market makes are available) wasn't as expensive as this. And why oh why oh why aren't there any helpful programmes on television now giving proper advice about cars? I remember when Angela Rippon pointed out the design and style of door handles."

See the Service Department receptionist look worried. See her reach for a panic button.

It's no good, John. You will have to go and get a job if we are going to be able to afford the extended warranty."

See John throw a tantrum by the coffee machine. See the plastic cups fall out of their holders. Try not to stare at the embarrassing stains.

Janet picks up the free weekly newspaper that has been helpfully left on the counter for the last six weeks. See Janet flick through the pages. See John go pale.

"John, here is a job you could apply for. You could give advice to people about cars. You know all about them don't you?"

Mr Warm

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - drd63
Ahh, Janet & John, Terry Wogan, how I love a good old fashioned bit of rosé tinted trip down memory lane. Seriously, I'll take all we have in 2014 over the rubbish we've had to put up with in the past and if and when we do want to review or do a detailed comparison we have the wonders of technology to give chapter and verse.
Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - gordonbennet

Oh i like this Janet and John car saga, could it become an epic, hopefully.

Get the feeling we might have tittered to one of two of your Janet and John stories over the years RicardoB, would that be the case? i can almost hear Sir Terry chortling his way through that.

You know what i miss most about some of our retired and semi retired presenters, and Wogan a prime example, they (along with much of the audience) didn't take themselves too seriously, that now applies now to only a handful (such as Ken Bruce), oh and i miss Sarah Kennedy too always entertaining, i try not to hear Feltz' voice at all if possible, the radio goes to Smooth/Jack depending on area when its that time.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - groaver

You know what i miss most about some of our retired and semi retired presenters, and Wogan a prime example, they (along with much of the audience) didn't take themselves too seriously, that now applies now to only a handful (such as Ken Bruce), oh and i miss Sarah Kennedy too always entertaining, i try not to hear Feltz' voice at all if possible, the radio goes to Smooth/Jack depending on area when its that time.

Jeremy Vine.

Horse's ass? Discuss.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - csgmart

Jeremy Vine.

Horse's ass? Discuss.

The radio equivalent of Jeremy Kyle. Utter tripe.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - artill

Jeremy Vine has one purpose. To get people to listen to radio 6. It worked for me

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - RicardoB

Chaps - sorry I have probably dragged this competely off the string/message etc.

Gordon - no, I didn't write any of the Janet & John stories on Wogan. They were the brainchild of and all wrtten by Mick Sturbs. I know Mick quite well as we have done TOG conventions over the years where Sir T has joined us, too.

You may have heard some of my stuff, but they weren't stories - just observations on issues of the day. Happy days then, and I did succeed in getting the great man to lose it once or twice.

I don't think we will be thanked for talking about presenters old and new, certainly on here. But one thing... Jimmy Young was treated disgracefully and it was a classic example of "our BBC" doing completely the wrong thing. Nothing new there, then!

Anyway, after explaining to the nice policeman that the incident in the car showroom was "just one of John's little moments", Janet fastens John into his safety seat in their Honda, and drives home.

Hear the stoney silence. See the look of worried anticipation on John's face.

All too soon, Janet and John arrive home. Janet drags John from the Honda into the house. See the house shake as the front door slams shut.

Hear Janet say "why can't I take you anywhere without causing a scene, John. I have never been so humiliated. All we wanted to do was to look at nice new cars, but you make such an issue of it all and always interupt."

Can you get a word in edgeways? John can't.

Janet grabs the Daily Telegraph from the porch floor. Janet rolls up some of the supplements but keeps the Motoring section ready to read over tea.

Janet looks forward to reading some very sensible motoring advice.

See the advert for Kia warranties.

Hear Janet shout, "John..."

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - gordonbennet

ho ho, brilliant, i'm quite sure i'm not alone in hoping you continue this Janet and John saga, thankyou for some light harmless comedy as we used to enjoy in (possbily better) other times, comedy where no one had to be the subject of cynical sarcasm as is the way of the university bred alternative scene.

As for Jeremy Vine, the Jimmy Young Show was never so crass.

Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - RickyBoy
Was de-mossing(?) the block-paved driveway this morning with a Stanley knife and dust-pan & brush (as you do) and Ken Bruce became Jeremy Vine without me realising!

What absolute t*** - 20mins on the merits (or otherwise) of Saharan dust then a tale about some bint from Staffs who ended up £52K better off as a result of a 'computer says yes' error.

Glad to go indoors for some lunch @ 1.

And, and, and ... The Times was full of nothing today - who on earth pays £1.20 for that on a daily basis? I certainly don't thanks to my myWaitrose Loyalty Card - heh!

It'll be a FREE Telegraph for me on Saturday - despite good or bad advice!

As you were ...

Ps. Those Janet & John routines used to make me almost wee myself :-)
Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - RickyBoy
... what's so wrong with t o s h these days?
Daily Telegraph - where is the advice? - madf

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