Bob Crow (and later posts Tony Benn) - jamie745

b***** hell. Didn't see that one coming.

Only 52.

Edited by Avant on 14/03/2014 at 21:25

Bob Crow - Ben 10

Me neither.Total shock this morning. RIP Bob.

Bob Crow - Bromptonaut

Fascinating how death transforms him from 'Most Hated Man in Britain' to national treasure.

Bob Crow - gordonbennet

Fascinating how death transforms him from 'Most Hated Man in Britain' to national treasure.

Not all of us hated him, whilst i didn't agree with him on everything, he was a superb union man, looked after his members (who to be fair stood together and could be relied upon to stand behind him in the fight) and got them excellent Ts and C's.

Most importantly he never forgot where he came from nor who he was, i doubt the champagne socialists who have taken over what was once the labour party had much time for him, and i suspect the feeling was mutual.

I'm a believer in good unions, i'm in a union and have been most of my working life, they have their faults but without fail every good job i've ever had has been unionised.

They couldn't be more opposite, but the Bob Crows and the Geroge Galloways of this world are needed in this country, neither afraid to throw a big lump of a spanner into the plans and goals of those who would wield power.

I respected Bob Crow, RIP.

Edited by gordonbennet on 12/03/2014 at 15:52

Bob Crow - jamie745

Fascinating how death transforms him from 'Most Hated Man in Britain' to national treasure.

Who called him the most hated man in Britain? Surely that title belongs to Piers Morgan?

No Bob Crow is one of those people who I can disagree with but still respect because he stood for what he believed in and practiced what he preached. The vast majority of the big trade unions now are run by Marxist dinosaurs marching valiantly towards 1970. I'm talking about Serwotka and ghastly people like that.

I'm sure most RMT members would say their membership fee went to good use because Bob Crow stood up for his members. He did his job well. Unfortunately the Labour Party and the big union bosses have been on the Brussels gravy train for years, which is why they don't stand up for working class people or their own members.

If the Labour Party cared about working class people, they'd disapprove of unrestricted immigration from Eastern European countries, because that oversupply of labour affects the sort of people who used to vote Labour the most.

Bob Crow on the other hand was a patriotic believer in this country who was not on the Brussels gravy train, so he's fine by me.

Edited by jamie745 on 12/03/2014 at 20:31

Bob Crow - Bromptonaut

jamie,

It was the Daily Mail who described Crow as the most hated man in Britain.

I'd generally agree with your analysis of Brother Bob. In pite of paying him my subs Serwotka grates on me too but diference with Crow is that (a) Bob could get a proper turnout for action and (b) he understood negotiation. But (a) meant the employer understood negotiation too.

Bob Crow - jamie745

Well you clearly read much more of the Daily Mail than I do.

Crow was probably the only Union leader I could put up with. If they were all like him, we'd have a much fairer, more productive country run by grown ups instead of what we've got. You're right Bob did his job very well, his turnout organising skills meant he carried a massive pointy stick to the table in negotiations, where as the Government are quite relaxed about teacher strikes because they generally amount to very little.

I've never been a union member because I just don't come from that way of thinking. I've never believed in getting into a profession due to the pension, doing the job for 50 years and expecting nothing to change. I've had five jobs in the last three years, all of them slightly different to each other. I couldn't do the same thing for 50 years and argue the toss over my pension rights, I'm just not built to do it.

Contrary to what you might think I don't dispise everybody from a socialist mindset. Most modern day socialists are more about self interest than socialism, they want all of what other people have so as nobody else can have it. It's all about bitterness, lazyness and phoney class war with these vermin.

On the other hand there's people like Tony Benn who I've always liked. All I really ask for is people who believe in independent British democracy and not being governed by Jose Manual Barroso.

Bob Crow - Collos25

I see the multi millionaire arm chair socialist Tony Benn has died.

Tony Benn - Bromptonaut

I see the multi millionaire arm chair socialist Tony Benn has died.

How can you possibly describe a man who devoted his life right up to its last few weeks campaigning for his views as an 'armchair socialist'. If he had money it came from (a) inheritance of the Stansgate Estate (b) earnings from politicss and writing and - latterly (c) sale of family home in Nottong Hill - acquired long before the place was fashionable.

You cannot credibly accuse him of hypocrisy, even if (as I do) you think he was wrong on many 'ishoos'.

Tony Benn - Collos25

His name was Anthony Wedgwood Benn does that give any clues,having met the person and had many dealings with his son I stick by my description ,you are of course aloud to say what you please the UK being a democracy(sort of).Had he kept his title but reliquished some of his millions I would have had some respect for him as it is he wanted the best of both worlds a typical armchair very rich politician.

Edited by Collos25 on 14/03/2014 at 11:02

Tony Benn - Bromptonaut

His name was Anthony Wedgwood Benn does that give any clues,having met the person and had many dealings with his son I stick by my description ,you are of course aloud to say what you please the UK being a democracy(sort of).Had he kept his title but reliquished some of his millions I would have had some respect for him as it is he wanted the best of both worlds a typical armchair very rich politician.

How and why would he relinquish his milions (some at least of which were his wife's)?

Aside from the politics of peerage he believed it rightly belonged to his elder brother who died on active service in WW2.

EDIT - PLease could a Mod split the Benn related posts into a new thread titled Tony Benn RIP or similar.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 14/03/2014 at 11:12

Tony Benn - Avant

Sorry - I don't think there's any way of spliting a thread - you can't just cut and paste it.

Instead I've added to the title of the first post, which I'm sure Jamie won't mind.

Tony Benn - jamie745

The last famous person I mentioned online died a couple of days later?

Well, without further ado; Piers Morgan!

They say these things come in threes. Crow, then Benn. Any left winger with a four letter name ought to be touching wood for the next few days.

'The left' has lost two of its most tolerable members this week, good people who fought for their ideals. Unfortunately now it's left to the likes of Ed Balls and Ken Livingstone.

Edited by Avant on 15/03/2014 at 21:46

Tony Benn - gordonbennet

Yes not many left now who come from the mould of saying what they think instead of telling people what they think they want to hear, mind you the same goes for the other two cheeks of the current political back side too.

Dennis Skinner must be feeling quite lonely now, speaking his own mind whilst hordes of the others consult their iPad thingies to check the mantra of the day.

Tony Benn - Ben 10

I was on strike in 2003 and Tony Benn came down to our picket and handed us £20. No fanfare or press. No entourage. He was on his own and gave a boost to those around him. No other Labour MP came by. Probably because they were in government and didn't want to be seen mixing with the "enemy". Tony had morals rather than be brow beaten by his masters or tow the party line.

I thank him, and hope he rests in peace.

Tony Benn - jamie745

Dennis Skinner must be feeling quite lonely now, speaking his own mind whilst hordes of the others consult their iPad thingies to check the mantra of the day.

Yes in the days of Tony Blair, every Labour MP ceased to be a representative of their constituency and instead became salespeople for whatever Blair had decided that week. I think they were all fitted with pagers which told them all what to think, where to go and what to say.

St Tony & New Labour may be gone but not much has changed. Since 2003, I doubt any major politician from any of the three big parties has actually conversed with a genuine, unvetted, unscripted member of the public. None of them hold public meetings anymore, I think UKIP are the only ones who do and theirs are always packed, but the big three will only brave the public if chaperoned by seven spin advisors.

No other Labour MP came by. Probably because they were in government and didn't want to be seen mixing with the "enemy".

Well that's understandable. Labour spent 18 years in opposition largely because the public didn't trust them to handle the trade unions. I think there was a fire strike relatively early in the life of New Labour and that was billed as the first big test of Blair's new party to not buckle.

Tony Benn - Ben 10

" I think there was a fire strike relatively early in the life of New Labour and that was billed as the first big test of Blair's new party to not buckle."

(Y)

Edited by Ben 10 on 15/03/2014 at 21:25

Tony Benn - jamie745

Avant, why have you edited a very tame post of mine?

Boredom?

Tony Benn - Bromptonaut

Jamie,

Avant did right thing. Your post was not tame. The language used to describe Balls and Livingstone was intemperate and has no place in civilised debate.

Bob Crow - Leif

I see the multi millionaire arm chair socialist Tony Benn has died.

Sad news, though he'd had his fair share of life. I dislike many lefties, but Benn was a very decent and sincere man, far too trusting and naive as were many who looked to Russia as an example. I don't think it is fair to pick on his background. You would not despise someone for being poor. I admired him, despite disagreeing with almost all of his views.