Petrol - Shell V-Power and the rest - groaver

HJ is always telling us to use it. Some interesting material from the US where the basic grade "gas" is pretty rough:

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Part 2:

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Petrol - Shell V-Power and the rest - Railroad.
I have a Chevrolet Kalos 1.4 16v engine. Sometimes about a minute into a journey after a cold start it will misfire for a couple of minutes. I'm certain it's a sticky valve problem which I've virtually cured by giving it an Italian tune up. I was running it on V Power and always sworn by it, but now I've switched to 95 RON unleaded, and since then the misfire is much less severe. It makes no sense to me that a better quality fuel could cause a problem, but it does appear that it's true in my case.
Petrol - Shell V-Power and the rest - craig-pd130

In my 2011 Volvo V60 D3 (163bhp model) I actually did a test of 10 consecutive tankfuls of V-Power diesel (i.e. about 6000 miles over 6 months on no other fuel than V-Power), and compared with the 10 previous tankfuls of Fuelsave diesel (easy for me to do, as Shell is my nearest filling station).

I got a brim-to-brim average of 46.29 on V-Power compared with 45.12 on Fuelsave.

Or, to express it in percentages, I got a 2.6% improvement in economy for spending the extra 5.7% cost of V-Power. I reckon that the 10 tanks / 6000 miles on each fuel was sufficient to reduce the influence of variables like ambient temperatures, type of journey etc.

There was no detectable difference in performance at all. I concluded that V-Power wasn't worth paying the extra for, compared with Fuelsave.

Also, as I normally fill up with Fuelsave anyway, which is also supposed to have a good detergent in it, my engine's internals should be pretty clean anyway.

Different cars and drivers may well get different results. But that's my 10 pence worth.

Petrol - Shell V-Power and the rest - 659FBE

With a modern petrol engine which is able to adjust ignition timing in response to detonation detection, it is to be expected that a higher octane fuel will produce a higher mean cylinder pressure and hence more useful work.

This does not apply to a diesel. Putting it crudely, diesel engines knock (but don't detonate) all the time and no engine to my knowledge can adjust injection timing according to the output of any kind of "knock" transducer.

Leaving aside the hot topic of lubricity, one of the many advantages of the diesel is its tolerance to fuel variations. As long as a minimum cetane value is achieved, detonation will not occur and mean cylinder pressure will not increase with an increase in cetane value.

Craig, thanks for your input but Mother Nature has been out to get you. Ambient conditions of air temperature, humidity and barometric pressure amongst others will cause noticeable performance changes - and your test must necessarily have spanned a significant seasonal change in weather conditions, affecting all of the above. The other foreigner in the wood pile will be that for some of the time, you would (or should) be using winter diesel.

Winter fuel, although meeting the cetane requirement of EN590 has a lower calorific value per unit volume, this being caused by the addition of shorter chain hydrocarbons which are needed to depress the temperature at which waxing will occur. Most vehicles will give a poorer fuel economy in winter due to this factor alone.

Having tested both fuels (we are lucky in the UK) and many engines, my own conclusion is that the best value is obtained by buying basic fuel to EN590 from a high volume supplier (cleanest tanks) at the lowest available price. I will not go out of my way - but frequently buy fuel at the supermarket.

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Edited by 659FBE on 21/02/2014 at 23:28

Petrol - Shell V-Power and the rest - craig-pd130

Craig, thanks for your input but Mother Nature has been out to get you. Ambient conditions of air temperature, humidity and barometric pressure amongst others will cause noticeable performance changes - and your test must necessarily have spanned a significant seasonal change in weather conditions, affecting all of the above. The other foreigner in the wood pile will be that for some of the time, you would (or should) be using winter diesel.

True, the test certainly wasn't scientific ... however the test took around 12 months to do the 12,000 miles, (I get around 600 miles per tank, x10 tanks of each fuel) from July 2012 to July 2013, so the car would've had used the winter varieties of both 'conventional' and 'super' diesel, as well as experiencing all types of weather while using each fuel.

I feel the duration of the test did reduce (but not iron out) the impact of these variables somewhat.

Utlimately, I do agree with your conclusion that ordinary fuel is the best value. The marginal improvements I saw with 'super' diesel didn't cover the additional cost.

Petrol - Shell V-Power and the rest - Ordovices

This does not apply to a diesel. Putting it crudely, diesel engines knock (but don't detonate) all the time and no engine to my knowledge can adjust injection timing according to the output of any kind of "knock" transducer.

Diesels can and do use knock sensors. Ford, Renault and VW use them. Delphi, NGK, Siemens VDO make them.

Diesels do knock, but this does not obviate using vibration analysis to tune and diagnose problems. The secret is knowing how much knock and and when it occurs, is acceptable.