Chrysler 180 - Trilogy

Who remembers these? They only sold in low numbers, much like the Talbot Tagora.

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Chrysler 180 - Avant

I remember them - there was a 2-litre version as well. There never seemed to be any good reason to buy one, and the Talbot Tagora - quite well reviewed - was introduced just at the wrong time (1980 recession).

The main problem was the totally stupid decision made by men in suits to ditch the old names (Hillman, Humber, Sunbeam, Singer) which had some brand loyalty, wheras Chrysler and Talbot had none. And they've done it again recently with Lancia, sold (or rather, not many sold) as Chryslers in the UK.

If the 180 had been called a Humber and been a bit better to drive, it might have had a chance.

Chrysler 180 - bathtub tom

I remember an acquaintance who put an auto one of these into reverse whilst going forwards at about 50MPH.

One dead Chrysler!

Chrysler 180 - NARU

A girlfriend's housemate had one. When they did some welding, they made it impossible to get to the dip stick.

She never noticed, despite the car burning some oil! SHe basically relied on the oil warning light as I recall.

Chrysler 180 - thunderbird

Work colleague had one. It was remarkable in 2 ways. First it was the only car capable of making the rest of the 70's dross available at the time (Marinas, Allegro's etc) look quite decent. The second was the rear brake calipers, they were used on many rally Mk2 escorts for years when they converted to rear discs.

From memory they were built in Spain and were for several years the only European built car from Chrysler that was actually badged as a Chrysler. Eventually all the "traditional" Roots badges disapeared and they all became Chryslers and eventually Talbots.

Chrysler 180 - RT

From memory they were built in Spain and were for several years the only European built car from Chrysler that was actually badged as a Chrysler. Eventually all the "traditional" Roots badges disapeared and they all became Chryslers and eventually Talbots.

AFAIK the 180 was the only Chrysler brand car in Europe at that time, the Simca and Rootes brands (Hillman, Humber, etc) still being used but with the Penta star added - when Chrysler Europe collapsed PSA bought them out, killed the Rootes brands and named the remaining as Talbot.

Chrysler 180 - Bromptonaut

I don't think the Rootes brands had much value by the time the 180 came out around 1973. The Hunter/Minx range were already well past their sell by date and only the Rapier was worthy of the Sunbeam name. The Imp was massively outsold by the BL Mini with 'superminis' like the Renault 5 arriving as well as the much better equipped Datsuns.

I thnk my Dad had either a 180 or 2.0 from the company pool for a while. Better car than the Hunter but it would have needed a wood and leather interio makeover to be a Humber.

Chrysler 180 - RT

The Imp was the better car in many ways - if only the front/rear suspension modifications had been done much earlier and the Mini not consistently sold below cost price things might have been very different.

Chrysler 180 - 72 dudes

My first "job" in the school holidays between fifth and sixth forms was as a Valeter at a Rootes garage. I think they had turned into the Chrysler 2 Litre by this time. What I do remember is the state these new Chryslers arrived in when new: Thick baked-on transit wax from months of sitting on a quayside somewhere. It wasn't unusual to have to take some T-cut to the panels - this was a new unregistered car, remember! The valeters all used to inwardly groan if a few of them arrived on a transporter at once.

Chrysler 180 - SteveLee

The Imp was the better car in many ways - if only the front/rear suspension modifications had been done much earlier and the Mini not consistently sold below cost price things might have been very different.

Agreed, the Imp was remarkably refined, faster and more fuel efficient than the Mini - much more space and a better driving posision for the driver too. The only advantage the Mini had was probably looks and reliability, although a well sorted Imp can be reliable - had they put the rad in the front and not fitted that silly pneumatic throttle causing thousands of needless breakdowns wrecking the Imp's image, the Imp could have been a real success. But then had Rootes not been forced by the government to build the thing in a Scotland by strike-happy ex-shipyard workers it would have turned out better for that reason too.

Chrysler 180 - galileo

Agreed, the Imp was remarkably refined, faster and more fuel efficient than the Mini - much more space and a better driving posision for the driver too. The only advantage the Mini had was probably looks and reliability, although a well sorted Imp can be reliable - had they put the rad in the front and not fitted that silly pneumatic throttle causing thousands of needless breakdowns wrecking the Imp's image, the Imp could have been a real success. But then had Rootes not been forced by the government to build the thing in a Scotland by strike-happy ex-shipyard workers it would have turned out better for that reason too.

I had three Imps (and a Mini 1000) and as Steve says Imps had more space and more comfort and more relaxed and economic cruising. Admitted i put water-pump kits in two of them but no other problems, so better than many second hand cars I've had.

Chrysler 180 - Trilogy

I had three Imps (and a Mini 1000) and as Steve says Imps had more space and more comfort and more relaxed and economic cruising. Admitted i put water-pump kits in two of them but no other problems, so better than many second hand cars I've had.

Given the fact an Imp was 20 inches longer than a Mini, I'd expect it to have more space. :)

Chrysler 180 - galileo

I had three Imps (and a Mini 1000) and as Steve says Imps had more space and more comfort and more relaxed and economic cruising. Admitted i put water-pump kits in two of them but no other problems, so better than many second hand cars I've had.

Given the fact an Imp was 20 inches longer than a Mini, I'd expect it to have more space. :)

About 5 inches wider too!

Chrysler 180 - Scottie Boy

I always though the 180/ 2 litre range looked like a enlarged Avenger. It was designed in the UK by Roy Axe but built in the Simca plant in France. It had the same instrument panel as a Simca 1501 and had it been built better with more investment it would have been great. Believe it or not it was supposed to be a replacement for the rather classy Humber Super Snipe/ Imperial range. Now that was a classy range of cars!!

Chrysler 180 - jimbo m
Hi. Steve Lee I noticed your remark Regarding it being built in Scotland by ex shipyard workers who went on strike, I take it you mean just like the English Car workers who spent more time striking than working and who brought the British Car Industry to its knees led by wonderful workers like Red Robbo, the a English car industry is now owned by foreigners who will drop you all at the drop of a hat when things get tough.
Chrysler 180 - Scottie Boy

Well said Jimbo. Not only did the car workers in the West Midlands under the leadership of crack pots like Red Robbo nearly bring the country down they manufactured cars that were total rubbish such as the Austin Mini, Allegro, Princess to name but a few resulting in no consumer confidence whatsoever and just for the record the Chrysler 180/ 2 Litre range was built a Poissy in France. The only models manufactured at Linwood was the Hillman Imp and the Mk 2 Chysler Avenger and the Sunbeam!!

Chrysler 180 - Bromptonaut
Hi. Steve Lee I noticed your remark Regarding it being built in Scotland by ex shipyard workers who went on strike, I take it you mean just like the English Car workers who spent more time striking than working and who brought the British Car Industry to its knees led by wonderful workers like Red Robbo, the a English car industry is now owned by foreigners who will drop you all at the drop of a hat when things get tough.

The British car industry was brought to its knees by bad management who, at the top, were only concerned with banking their dividends and eating (& drinking) in the board dining room.

It was managers who let the shop stewards creep their mission in the fifties. Managers who thought badge engineered products would satisfy the market, Same people still tried to charge heaters as an extra while cars like the Datsun Cherry had radios as standard.

Chrysler 180 - jimbo m

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Edited by Avant on 13/02/2014 at 11:19

Chrysler 180 - oldroverboy.

And, On This forum are there any of you who truly believe that Those who own our so called Iconic vehicle manufacturers will keep British (west midland) jobs when it becomes uneconomical against declining markets /increased energy/production costs?

Building a factory where. oh, India/china/brazil????

answers on a postcard.

clue.. company begins with a "T"

And no it is not an attack, it's called economics.

Edited by oldroverboy. on 23/02/2014 at 11:00

Chrysler 180 - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:..."" Managers who thought badge engineered products would satisfy the market, Same people still tried to charge heaters as an extra.""

That attitude was OK in the 50's when most 'foreign' cars looked funny, had engines in the back and cream steering wheels!

Chrysler 180 - RT

Location of final assembly for modern cars isn't that important - robots and workers from other industries can put cars together anywhere.

It's important that the UK retains the high value aspects of car production - R&D, design, development and high value assemblies like engines.

Japan's motor industry doesn't lose out because most cars they sell in USA are built in USA by ex-agricultural workers.