Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - mike3322

This year saw the release of Renaults latest electric car, the Zoe. While some people are put off from electric cars by their lack of versatility and their cost, the Zoe seemed to tackle this problem, retailing at £13,995 (not a bad price for a new 2013 car) as well as having great practicality and performance.

The Zoe also saw extensive social media and press coverage, earning some great reviews in the process.

I feel that the Zoe could be a turning point when it comes to many people's opinions on electric cars; it's effortless performance mixed with it's intelligent and attractive design as well as competitive price could see it force itself to the front of the electric car market.

What are people's opinions on the Zoe? Do you know anyone who owns this model, and if so, are they impressed? Let me know what some of you think of it's potential as well.

(Edit - that's the second post today - albeit from a different person - with the same link to a leasing firm. I suspect an attempt to get free advertising - if so it's just failed. Links removed.)

Edited by Avant on 09/12/2013 at 21:00

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - alan1302

I think you are coming across as a failed salesman!

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - dan86

i wouldnt want one as Renaults reliability with electrics is questionable and a all electric car from them no thanks. not unless Nissan did moste of the electrical work for them.

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - Sulphur Man

Renault's reliability is generally fine these days. Has been since the final UK Laguna, a very underrated car, though unattractive and massacred by Qashqai sales (like many family saloons).

The Nissan-Renault alliance is really bearing fruit, with good quality ICE systems. the outstanding chain-cam 1.6DCi engine, the thoroughly proven 1.5DCi, the zesty 1.2 turbo petrol, and their collaboration on electric vehicles.

Oh, and they powered the F1 team that annihilated all comers this season.

The Zoe is, financially, the best electric proposition right now, assuming its roomy enough for the intended users. However, the BMW i3, which costs near double, has secured 10,000 pre orders and has a test drive waiting list of 6 months. Why? The badge, Basically, certain motorists are now taking electric vehicles seriously because BMW are making them. Such is the shallowness of a certain strata of the car-buying public. This is a similar strata to those that 'have' to drive an SUV as its 'safer', or label the Honda Jazz, one of the most brilliantly executed vehicles of the last 10 years, an "old people's car".

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - 72 dudes

How many Zoes, Leafs (Leaves?) and Fluences have you seen on the road though?

I do lots of short journeys around town and the suburbs and I have other cars which could do longer journeys, so I was looking into an all electric car.

The thing which killed it for me was the £70/month cost of leasing the batteries. For me that makes no financial sense even taking into account zero road tax and low charging costs.

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - artill

I have seen a few Nissan Leafs, maybe 4 or 5. I have seen a single Mitsubshi imiev too, but not one Electric Renault, except the Twizy that the local Renault dealer had. So i dont think they are in huge demand around here (Yorkshire).

And i completely agree. The Battery rental cost is as much as diesel for the mileage you are allowed on your lease, so there is no saving there.

But as a company car things change quite a bit. Zero CoCar tax, or 5% for a range extender makes quite a case, and i expect most if not all i have seen so far have been CoCars

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - skidpan

Oh, and they powered the F1 team that annihilated all comers this season.

An engine with a Renault (or Infinity) badge won the F1 World Championship but in reality the engine will have nothing in common with any other Renault engine and will not have been developed by the same people that develop other Renault engines.

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - Sulphur Man
Wrong. www.richardaucock.com/renault-energy-dci-130-f1-on.../

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - skidpan

Total b******s, just sales talk.

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - Avant

As a journalist likely be accused of that, Mr Aucock could do with writing under another name.

Edited by Avant on 12/12/2013 at 10:33

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - carl_a

Currently I see only second hand, year or two old Leafs as the only realistic finacial option. In those cases only as a second car or for someone that does lots of city driving.

I'd love to buy an electric car, especially with 11 and 12 plates Leafs from 10k to 13k with battery included, but a couple of things have prevented me.

Firstly the driving room is way to small and the front seats don't go back anywhere near far enough. This isn't just the Leaf, most cars in general have this problem. Secondly I often travel a 75 mile trip, this is within range (in normal weather), but an accident or road closure would snooker me. 150 mile range is what I'm after.

Edited by carl_a on 12/12/2013 at 11:05

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - Sulphur Man

Perhaps you should contact the writer and question the credibility of his article, then share the response on this thread?

Also, contact Philippe Coblence, R9M Engine Design Manager 2006-2011, and RenaultSport F1 Engine Design Manager 2000-2006

Clearly there's a massive conspiracy going on. We're all counting on you to expose it!

Good luck!

Renault Zoe - 2013 Renault Zoe - skidpan

Perhaps you should contact the writer and question the credibility of his article, then share the response on this thread?

The article quotes "3 key areas where Formula One engine thinking" (whatever that means) has been used in the design of the revised 1.6 diesel.

1 Undersquare, oversquare or simply square is a debate that has been going on since the internal combustion engine was invented. Each has advantages but for race engines big bores have been the norm for many years. You don't need to be an F1 engineer to realise that if the engine has a bigger bore you can fit bigger valves. Many manufacturers use big bore engines today, its not exclusive to Renault.

2 Waterflow designs have improved as casting techniques and materials have been improved by all manufacturers. One example is most cars have bypass circuits to improve their warm up times.

3 Designs, machining techniques and materials to reduce friction and improve efficiency have again been developed over the years by all manufacturers. If a piston ring is being used that takes its design from one used in F1 for the past 10 years I would guess the F1 engineers have come up with a better design for next seasons engines. They are not going to allow competitors to by a humble 1.6 diesel and copy a feature that possibly makes the F1 engine unbeatable are they.

Its just a publicity article that has been written to make the gullible buying public think that Renault are putting F1 engines into Clio Diesels. Its journalism and it proves nothing.