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Mon 9 Dec 2013 14:23
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - nick62

............there are such b***** awful drivers with a licence!

Followed a Fiesa this morning on a short commute to the city centre, At every roundabout, the driver stopped, even when there was no approaching traffic.

At one particularly busy roundabout, I thought I was going to have a seizure waiting behind this driver. Anyone would have thought they were driving a double decker bus on its side? When eventually there were no other vehicles in sight (from any direction), they pulled out.

To put the tin hat on it they eventually signalled and turned left, but made a nice wide right sweep when starting their move, they obviusly thought they were driving a 40 foot artic at the time........grr.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 14:37
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - John Boy

Calm down! It's someone who, for whatever reason, is very nervous. If it really bothers you, why don't you give the registration number to the police and let them deal with it.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 14:41
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - nick62

I was't mad really, but such drivers really should think about using the bus.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 14:52
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - John Boy

I was't mad really, but such drivers really should think about using the bus.

It could be argued that you should too, if you're likely to have a seizure at a roundabout.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 16:00
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - alan1302

Calm down! It's someone who, for whatever reason, is very nervous.

To be honest no one who is really nervous should be driving a car,

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 16:05
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Bromptonaut

Calm down! It's someone who, for whatever reason, is very nervous.

To be honest no one who is really nervous should be driving a car,

How do the nervous get to work or the shops?

It just needs a bit of tolerance from the rest of us.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 19:34
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - alan1302

Calm down! It's someone who, for whatever reason, is very nervous.

To be honest no one who is really nervous should be driving a car,

How do the nervous get to work or the shops?

It just needs a bit of tolerance from the rest of us.

Walk/bus? If someoneis nervous driving and hesiatting/not keeping up with the traffic well then they need to stop driving and either get the required training or not do it.

It's not about tolerence it's about if someone is suitable to be driver.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 14:55
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Andrew-T

............there are such b***** awful drivers with a licence!

You're not suggesting that if these drivers stayed at home congestion would cease?

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 16:11
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - galileo

............there are such b***** awful drivers with a licence!

You're not suggesting that if these drivers stayed at home congestion would cease?

I can well believe congestion would be reduced by 10 to 20%. Creepers and hesitaters who are slow to react often cause following cars to have to stop at a traffic light when they could have got through on the green if the creeper had moved smartly. The same nervous drivers are the ones who drive at 20 in a 30 limit, 30 in a 40 limit, especially on roads where anti-car local authorities have installed double white lines and central islands to prevent overtaking.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 17:25
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Bobbin Threadbare

I can well believe congestion would be reduced by 10 to 20%. Creepers and hesitaters who are slow to react often cause following cars to have to stop at a traffic light when they could have got through on the green if the creeper had moved smartly. The same nervous drivers are the ones who drive at 20 in a 30 limit, 30 in a 40 limit, especially on roads where anti-car local authorities have installed double white lines and central islands to prevent overtaking.

I'll go with that - creepers who barely manage to get out of the lights on green ruin traffic flow! Instead of 15 cars getting through due to a prompt set off and foot down action, 4 or 5 manage it, crawling behind someone who is so tardy they'd be going back in time if they were any slower. I see this every morning on my way to work.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 17:37
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Andrew-T

< Creepers and hesitaters who are slow to react often cause following cars to have to stop at a traffic light when they could have got through on the green if the creeper had moved smartly. >

Quite true. But at the opposite end of the spectrum are those with a hair-trigger, and when something happens to them, it can take much longer to sort out than the next round at the lights .....

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 17:42
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - groaver

The same nervous drivers are the ones who drive at 20 in a 30 limit, 30 in a 40 limit, especially on roads where anti-car local authorities have installed double white lines and central islands to prevent overtaking.

There is sometimes a good reason to be driving slower than the LIMIT.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 16:19
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - madf

Congestion will never be solved whilst children are driven to and from school.. factual But for only two specific times of the day.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 16:23
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - craig-pd130

I remember reading a study of the notoriously gridlocked traffic in Los Angeles.

The UCLA did a computer modelling exercise which showed that only 4% of the traffic (i.e. 4 in every 100 vehicles) needed to be removed to go from gridlock to the roads flowing at the speed limit.

How accurately this model would translate into the real world, I don't know.

Edited by craig-pd130 on 09/12/2013 at 16:23

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 16:45
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - RT

It may well be true - when you think just how much over their design capacity some motorways have to run at, and still cope.

A huge amount of congestion in urban areas is caused by inconsiderate drivers blocking traffic flow at junctions - yellow box junctions are only needed because of the inconsiderate - and if they're not camera-enforced even yellow box junctions get abused and blocked.

In my view the worst 50% of drivers should be banned from driving, not because 50% is a good number but because 50% of drivers are carp IMO - but in this world, it won't ever happen!

Edited by RT on 09/12/2013 at 16:46

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 17:40
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - jamie745

Dumbest.

Thread.

Ever.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 19:21
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - daveyjp
"We are congestion". It is easier to remove yourself from the problem than expect others to.
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Mon 9 Dec 2013 23:09
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Andrew-T
"We are congestion". It is easier to remove yourself from the problem than expect others to.

The sanest observation so far.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 19:42
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - alan1302

You must not have been on many others forum before!

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 20:17
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - wemyss

Which 50% would yourself fall in to ?.

wemyss

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 20:26
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Sofa Spud

For every driver who stops un-necessarily at roundabouts, there are at least two more drivers who don't stop or give way when they should do.

QUOTE:..""The UCLA did a computer modelling exercise which showed that only 4% of the traffic (i.e. 4 in every 100 vehicles) needed to be removed to go from gridlock to the roads flowing at the speed limit.""

When traffic light junction is operating at max capacity for free-flowing traffic, adding even one extra vehicle per sequence will lead to 10 extra vehicles in the queue after just 10 light sequences, 20 after 20 etc. etc.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 09/12/2013 at 20:32

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 20:27
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - gordonbennet

Easy fix, travel before midday on a Friday, especially when the children are off school, its like 5am on a Sunday morning, bliss.

Not so good at about 1pm mind when the Friday lemmings all decide to flee for the cliffs at the same time, chaos.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 20:46
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Smileyman

regular re-testing to weed out the under capable / confident mototists as well as those who drive dangreously - with stiff penalties for motorists who drive when they should not

I also consider a form of 'off peak' insurance ... like off peak tickets on trains, so that those who don't need to drive in rush hours are encouraged not to do so

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 20:56
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - alan1302

I also consider a form of 'off peak' insurance ... like off peak tickets on trains, so that those who don't need to drive in rush hours are encouraged not to do so

I can see the heory behond that but I'd expect it would just be a way to allow insurance comanies to charge more fo people who have their car to go to work.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 20:57
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Avant

Nick62 does have a point. I've no stats to prove it, but I'm convinced that unnecessary braking and stopping causes more congestion and accidents than speed on its own.

Lack of concentration....getting too close to the vehicle in front.....mindless braking.....the same reaction fron drivers behind. Time and again I've seen lines of idiots on motorways braking and often stopping when there's no sign of an obstruction in front.

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Mon 9 Dec 2013 23:12
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - Andrew-T

Nick62 does have a point. I've no stats to prove it, but I'm convinced that unnecessary braking and stopping causes more congestion and accidents than speed on its own.

Lack of concentration....getting too close to the vehicle in front.....mindless braking.....the same reaction fron drivers behind. Time and again I've seen lines of idiots on motorways braking and often stopping when there's no sign of an obstruction in front.

This is why imposing a temporary 55 limit on the M25 increases non-turbulent flow on the traffic, resulting in smoother progress and more throughput.

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 09:33
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - NorthernBoy

i travelled over the m62 on friday and spent more time looking at the speed camera signs and changing speed limits above than the cars in front - that will create more congestion!

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 12:59
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - alan1302

i travelled over the m62 on friday and spent more time looking at the speed camera signs and changing speed limits above than the cars in front - that will create more congestion!

When I drove on the M25 with changing speed limits I found the traffic flow much better than without it.

I can't see how changing speed limits would ake it difficult as it's no different from when you are driving anywhere else and the limits change.

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 13:38
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - veryoldbear

And the variable speed limit signs are pretty darned obvious ... if you can't see those as well as the car in front ... sigh ...

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 15:12
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - nick62

I never said anything whatsoever about speeding, just the inability to drive to the conditions.

If there is no approaching traffic (from the right) at a roundabout, I don't stop...........do you? I also don't considder it necessary to swerve right before making a 90 degree left turn, (unless someone wants me to drive their eight wheeler).

Edited by nick62 on 10/12/2013 at 15:13

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 15:31
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - NorthernBoy

i can see your point - but some are 50 and some 60. some times not on when busy - some times on when quiet.

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 16:32
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - madf

I never said anything whatsoever about speeding, just the inability to drive to the conditions.

If there is no approaching traffic (from the right) at a roundabout, I don't stop...........do you? I also don't considder it necessary to swerve right before making a 90 degree left turn, (unless someone wants me to drive their eight wheeler).

How can you turn left without not swinging into the centre of the raod, thus ensuring no-one can overtake you and jhit the oncoming traffic?

And I stop at every roundabout to ensure I have not missed a hidden cyclist, ensure that my spectacles are clean and anyway I cannot turn my neck due to an old war wound so I cannot quickly turn to see what is coming.

And the pace of modern traffic - you know some people travel at 30mph in towns?- means I have to wait for them to circle the roundabout and leave as I cannot see their indicators with my poor eyesight..

Drivers like us are careful not to cause accidents. My zimmer frame catches on any sharp surfaces and makes running away form a burning car impossible. So I ensure I am not going to be hit by anyone (far too careful to hit anyone myseld).

Now where is my hearing aid?

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 16:55
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - nick62

Can you type that all again please, but with bigger characters, I can't read it properlly.

Damn site won't let me type f o n t!

Edited by nick62 on 10/12/2013 at 16:57

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 17:10
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - veryoldbear

Sorry, what was that? Is it Tuesday?

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Tue 10 Dec 2013 19:18
Any - Congestion will never be solved whilst ........... - sandy56
The time WILL come when the driving test and ongoing competence will be a significant issue and will have to be resolved. Just because you pass the test at 18 doesn't mean to say you can drive safely and competently at 65 never mind 75 yrs old.
The use of the black box recording system may be (and now is being used) used to monitor your behaviour and eventually you may be considered no longer competent or safe to drive.

We can all avoid traffic by staying at home and let the Bulgarians and other wonderful immigrants run the country. Problem solved.
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