University Freshers - Ben 10

Daughter moved into Uni this weekend. In the bumph it says she cannot use anything over 500W otherwise it might trip a breaker. I cannot believe that for such a large building it cannot take more than this from each individual room.

Are they trying to limit use of electricity or is there a possibility she could trip a breaker with a 2000W hair dryer? Any qualified electricians like to comment please?

University Freshers - daveyjp
Very common in halls. It prevents the use of supplementary heaters, irons etc etc which are fire hazards.
University Freshers - Ben 10

Does that mean if she uses a crafty hair dryer it wont cause a stir or a trip?

University Freshers - Bobbin Threadbare

I used to use a kettle in my room at uni. Girl in the next room had hair straighteners, hairdryer etc plugged in. Were we supposed to? No. It never tripped anything.

University Freshers - Bromptonaut

My Lad goes up to Liverpool next week. He's had a similar instruction. His sis's first year place was less restrictive and she had a low power (1800W?) kettle in her room.

Is there really a 2kw hair dryer?? That's enough juice for a fan assisted room heater or a paint stripping gun!!

I'm guessing but 500W is probably allowing a significant safety margin. There might be a cost issue in there as well.

Most people, never mind Uni freshers, are pretty uninformed when it comes to electrical loads. Absent any restrictions you'd find fan heaters and kettles aplenty, probably running off a single socket and six gang trailing lead. Your daughter of course, bearing in mind your career and likley experience in the fire service, may be much better educated in such matters.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 24/09/2013 at 12:11

University Freshers - Ben 10

2000W not Kilowatt.

University Freshers - Bromptonaut

Ye Gods!!!

I was aware of a wattage 'arms race' for vacuum cleaners that's seen them go from 200 to 2000w in my lifetime. Ditto irons.

I'd no idea hairdryers had escalated to that level too. If, perm from, wife/daughter/son have a juice vampire at that level there's no wonder my leccy bill keeps going up!!

2000W and 2kw are same thing n'est ce pas??

University Freshers - Ben 10
Naturellement. Mon erreur.
University Freshers - Bobbin Threadbare

The average hairdryer requires 1200–1875W.

University Freshers - Cyd

There are plenty of hairdriers over 2000W in Argos. Here's one:
www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/4435107....m

500 watts is [fractionally over] 2 amps. To restrict each room to this level they would have to fit a 2 amp fuse. This would require a custom built fuseboard. Unlikely.
The smallest standard size of MCB is 6 amp, which is normally used for lighting and is good for 1250W continuous and can let through about 1600W for about 6 minutes before tripping.

It would be more usual for a single room socket circuit to be protected by a 16 or 20 amp MCB. That's 4000 or 5000 watts continuous capacity. Though if it's a recent build they may have specified 10 amps MCBs - but that is still 2300W continuous (so even that 2300W hairdrier would never trip it).

How many rooms in these halls? 100s? Even large TPN boards are usually only 54 way, so to provide rooms with individual fusing would require a lot of boards. Obviously depends how it's laid out?

I would have thought it more likely that rooms are fused in groups of around 4 or 5 at 20 amps shared. Highly unlikely more than one room at a time would be running a hair drier, so no problem, but if they all tried running a fan heater at the same time it would trip.

Try plugging inthe hairdrier and see what happens. Leave it on for about 10 mins.

University Freshers - Ben 10

I was sceptical about the excuse for non use of appliances. I can understand they don't want a large drain on the system especially with rooms stacked with plugged in laptops,Ipads,phones, printers etc. And of course youngsters can be forgetful and leave things like tongs/straighteners plugged in as a fire risk.

Nipping it in the bud at the beginning with a little "scare" tactics was probably order of the day for the Uni.

But with my nagging advice, she has used the hairdryer without any incident. She obviously didn't want to be the one to get in trouble, after the warning in the beginning.

University Freshers - Bromptonaut

My 25yo Bosch paint stripping gun is 1350W max. Used for first time in 20 yrs this weekend to soften the Claud Butler badges on Lad's uni bike so as to anonymise it.

University Freshers - galileo

I would have thought it more likely that rooms are fused in groups of around 4 or 5 at 20 amps shared. Highly unlikely more than one room at a time would be running a hair drier, so no problem, but if they all tried running a fan heater at the same time it would trip.

Some Halls are laid out with 5 or 6 individual rooms around communal kitchen/dining lounge areas.

University Freshers - concrete

When my lad was at Uni some 14 years ago now, the halls were large but segmented with a cluster of 4/5 rooms to communal kitchen and showers etc. No need for extra heaters as you could grow tomatoes in his block. Each cluster had a distribution board and from memory the ring main circuit was rated at 26 amps. I accessed this a few times to do running repairs on switches etc that had become faulty or dangerous and the maintenance staff were not the quickest to respond so superdad was always required. I recall a notice above power points giving a 5 amp/1000w maximum recommended usage on any power socket outlet outside the kitchen. 500w seems pretty mean considering the amount of stuff my daughter took with her to Uni. Cheers Concrete