Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - Trilogy

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Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - Bobbin Threadbare

It looks like a chocolate photoshop fail.

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - Engineer Andy

Why do manufacturers insist that as you go up the range in terms of luxuriousness, you up thr wheel size of the car too? All that does is make it harsher-riding and more susceptible to suspension wear/failure. In the "good old day", only the sporty verions had "bling" wheels (though never as much as today's lot, where you'd never use the full range of grip on offer, and just be penalised in winter conditions) because people used to drive them hard - luxury car owners surely would want a decent ride as well as good handling/performance - but a car doesn't need 20in rims for that!

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - unthrottled

Why do manufacturers insist that as you go up the range in terms of luxuriousness, you up thr wheel size of the car too

Because people who believe that more is better are very easy to sell to. If next door's new motor has 19" wheels, they'll want 20".Marketing men's wet dream. It would cost a fortune to redesign the structure to lose 100lb of weight while maintaining rigidity and few potential buyers would care. But adding some bigger wheels and brighter lights is easy and noticeable.

I'm surprised Ford has done a Vanden Plas job on the Mondy. The Britsh don't particularly care for the breed.

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - markweatherill

Even though it isn't an anagram of 'Vaginal' it's close enough.

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - 2.0Tsi
I have driven this car in the USA where it is called the Ford Fusion. Tbh I didn't think much of it although it did look good, I actually thought it was rather flimsy in the build quality even in comparison to our current mondeo.
Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - sandy56
This is UGLY.
I don't think I will be after one of these when they become available.
Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - Ben 10

When you go to buy a new Ford you pick a model and then choose from a long list of "extras" to get something close to being an average car. Where other makes install as standard.

I hope this upper level brand comes fully kitted with everything for one price. Are they trying to run along the same lines as Lexus and Infiniti?

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - ijws15
When push comes to shove it is a FORD and in that market segment is needs to be German or Japanese or Swedish or a standard Mondeo (for the budget end)

Residual after 3 years will be awful so lease prices will be high. To sell new ones to private buyers they will have to discount. There is a reason why Ford havn't done it before.

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - mss1tw

When you go to buy a new Ford you pick a model and then choose from a long list of "extras" to get something close to being an average car. Where other makes install as standard.

I hope this upper level brand comes fully kitted with everything for one price. Are they trying to run along the same lines as Lexus and Infiniti?

Never mind all that, I would genuinely be more impressed if they equalled or bettered the degree of corrosion protection that other bog-standard manufacturers like PSA manage. Fords (Cars and vans) are still let down by that, shame really as everything else is spot on.

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - Ben 10

Are you serious.What degree of corrosion are you talking about. I've had no issues with corrosion over the past 13 years, and I've owned many Focuses and Fiestas. Maybe the Dagenham dustbins of the 70s 80s and even up to the end of the 90s may qualify, but the current models have a corrosion warranty and are seldom prone, unless you damage the bodywork in some way.

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - mss1tw

Are you serious.What degree of corrosion are you talking about. I've had no issues with corrosion over the past 13 years, and I've owned many Focuses and Fiestas. Maybe the Dagenham dustbins of the 70s 80s and even up to the end of the 90s may qualify, but the current models have a corrosion warranty and are seldom prone, unless you damage the bodywork in some way.

A friend bought a 55 plate Focus that was starting to bubble on the arches

Another friend had a 54 plate Transit that was really starting to let go on the typical ford places of arches and sills.

Try looking at the not so shiny bits and you'll see what I mean.

Or if that's too much effort, this is an off the top of my head example

www.google.co.uk/search?q=ford+ka+rust+site:www.ho...k

Mondeos seem to hold up quite well but are of no interest to me so I don't take much notice of them

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - Leif

Why do they make cars that look like fish? The new Fiesta has the same weird look, not unlike the new look BMW many years back now. And Peugeot do the big front grill thing too. As do Audi.

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - Ald

It looks almost exactly like a Citroen C5

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - mike hannon

'Vignale'. For goodness sake.

I suppose they've completely used up any remaining shred of credibility in the word 'Ghia' (or 'gear' as many Ford owners seem to think it is spelled).

Another proud name b*st*rdised by the marketing men in the name of second-rate motoring.

And yes, it does look almost exactly like a C5.

Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - Trilogy

Taken from www.detroitnews.com

Europe’s tentative recovery after reaching 20-year car sales lows ought to promise hope for ravaged bottom lines, but some mass manufacturers seem determined to jeopardize their already rocky finances by reverting to tried and tested ways of losing money.

Instead of just slashing excess capacity, cutting costs, and facing up to the threat from Korean manufacturers Kia and Hyundai by producing handsome cars which sell on their merits with cast-in-concrete guarantees, many of Europe’s loss makers are opting for a delusional and well-traveled dead-end street. They are trying to maximize profit margins by moving upmarket into German luxury territory now owned by the likes of BMW, VW’s Audi and Mercedes-Benz.

This is a well-documented direction if you seriously want to lose lots of money. Saab of Sweden (GM) went bankrupt trying to do this. Its compatriot, now Chinese owned Volvo, is still trying. Renault of France has two entries in Bernstein Research’s top 10 money losers of all time with its Laguna and Vel Satis and combined red ink of $3.7 billion. Even Volkswagen of Germany has fallen foul of this hubristic route. Its attempt to match Mercedes with its ill-fated Phaeton has lost $2.7 billion so far, and it hasn’t spiked the project, according to Bernstein.

Moody’s Investors Service, in a recent report, said four of Europe’s biggest car makers — Ford Europe, GM Europe’s Opel Vauxhall, Fiat-Chrysler and Peugeot-Citroen — are expected to lose a combined $6.6 billion this year, about the same as in 2012. Renault of France is doing a little bit better, thanks to the success of its cheap and cheerful Dacia subsidiary, which produces cars aimed at the third world, but which are also doing well in financially hard-pressed Europe.

Vignale, Initiale Paris

At the Frankfurt Car Show last month Ford of Europe unveiled its Vignale concept and Renault pulled the covers off the Initiale Paris, both declaring they were going upmarket. Peugeot, in which GM has a 7 percent stake, previously declared that it was differentiating itself from its more workaday Citroen partner by moving upmarket, as though by merely saying the words, the deed was done. Ford said the Mondeo (Fusion in the U.S.)-based Vignale, in a price bracket that lines it up against the BMW 3 Series, Mercedes C class and Audi A4, would get bigger wheels, more chrome, leather interior, fancy paintwork and technology to help parking. Ford dealerships selling Vignale would have airline business-class like lounges and the cars would qualify for free washes for life.

Some analysts wondered why Ford didn’t use the Lincoln brand name if it was moving upmarket in Europe. This doesn’t bode well for Lincoln because it is believed Ford reckons the brand must be able to survive outside of the U.S. to have a long-term future. Opel-Vauxhall has yet to unveil any plans to move upmarket, although GM vice-chairman Steve Girsky said earlier this year that its new Opel-Vauxhall Cascada convertible could compete with the Audi A5. Nissan of Japan’s Infiniti near luxury subsidiary is also building up in Europe.

Garel Rhys, emeritus professor of Motor Industry Economics and director for Automotive Industry Research at Cardiff Business School, has seen this all before.

“It’s amazing really that people who run car companies simply fail to learn from history. They haven’t a clue what the consumer feels or desires because they don’t go through the process themselves. They are given cars and don’t have to go through the angst that normal consumers do to decide true value for money. They have this arrogance, this hubris. They think that they can just say the word and off they go up market,” Rhys said.

Lotus Cortina

Rhys did concede there had been some examples when mass car manufacturers produced some “go-fast” versions of their bread and butter cars to improve profit margins in the 1970s, with Corvettes and Mustangs in America and the Ford-Lotus Cortina in Europe and later Ford Capri 3000 and VW Golf GTi. But attempts to enter the luxury sector have usually failed.

“Ford tried to do that with the Edsel. Only Toyota with Lexus, and it cost a fortune to do it, is the exception that proves the rule. Disasters like the Vel Satis and (Renault) Avantime showed moving upmarket didn’t work. The whole process is littered with failure. It is interesting that people want to repeat the failures,” Rhys said.

John Wormald, analyst with British automotive consultancy Autopolis, agrees, but points out that Fiat to its credit has resisted the notion.

“This is delusional. It takes more than wanting to and throwing in a few gadgets and freebies to create an up-line (luxury) brand. They all have a long established brand image, rooted in long tradition. Mercedes and Audi reach back to pre-1939 racing. Jaguar and (Fiat’s) Alfa have their own traditions. BMW was the upstart but that was 40 years ago. Every attempt by the volume makers to break in has failed. Indeed, why on earth would someone buy a priced-up Ford or Renault if they can get a Mercedes or BMW for the same price,” Wormald said.

Wormald said this is a strategy of desperation.

“They are caught between the real (luxury) brands and the Koreans who have improved so greatly they are now volume mainstream, solidly in both Europe and North America,” Wormald said.

“Europeans need to cut capacity – and excessive products – and really concentrate on the cars the mass market wants,” he said.

Fiat concentrating on small cars

Wormald liked Fiat’s decision to concentrate on small cars.

“It means Fiat’s resources are concentrated on its traditional area of strength, small cars,” said Wormald.

Emmanuel Bulle, analyst with Fitch Ratings, agreed that it was difficult for mass car makers to face down the Germans, but had some sympathy for their plight.

“It always strikes me how non-premium manufacturers still believe they can fight with established German names. But to be fair, I guess they, or at least some of them like Renault or Citroen, seem to try a sort of alternative approach by offering different vehicles and not the traditional sedan to compete in the high-end segment,” Bulle said from his Barcelona, Spain, office.

A bigger problem though could be the Germans moving down into traditional mass market territory.

“The obstacle they will soon face, or are actually already facing, is that traditional German brands invade their segments,” Bulle said.

This refers to small cars like the BMW 1 Series, BMW Mini, Audi A1, and Mercedes A class moving down market, but still claiming high margins at the expense of lesser mortals.

Not so sniffy

There is also the danger that this expansion by the Germans could in fact endanger their own brand power because the increased volume would devalue their former exclusivity.

But Bulle said all was not lost for the mass car makers because emerging market customers might not be quite so sniffy about attempts to move upmarket.

“In China the car culture and history is quite different. DS works better in China than in Europe. And this is where “volume moving premium” may have the best chance of succeeding in my view,” Bulle said.

Citroen has added the DS moniker to its down market cars, trying to remind buyers of its pioneering role in the 1950s and 1960s, but leading to criticism that they were just blinged-up, superficial attempts to cash in on a famous old name.

Professor Rhys not convinced

“This is not the road to salvation and it is interesting that these companies insist on repeating the mistakes of the past. These are compelling lessons of history; sometimes there are exceptions to the rule but it’s pretty rare. There’s a greater chance of a yeti getting to the White House than these products becoming really successful,” Rhys said.

Neil Winton, European columnist for Autos Insider, is based in Sussex, England. E-mail him at neil.winton@btinternet.com

N.B. I have highlighted certain parts. :)
Aston Martin Ford Mundano on the way - brum

Ford dealerships selling Vignale would have airline business-class like lounges and the cars would qualify for free washes for life.

I can see people queuing up for that one.....