Should I sell and cut my losses? - euxinus

Hi! I'm new to the forum and need some help deciding whether to keep my car or sell it and 'move on'... It's a Ford Focus Hatchback 1.6 Ghia [115] from 2006 which I bought in October last year; the current mileage is 59.000.

Since I bought it, it went to the garage twice for repairs, first in January for a blown head gasket (when I asked to have a new timing belt fitted too) and recently, again, for a thermostat replacement. Now I'm becoming sort of 'paranoid' wondering what is going to break next! And since we'll need an extra car soon anyway, I'm thinking maybe it would be better to sell the Focus, add some money and just get 2 used cars instead? Or keep it (but get a waranty for it) and get an extra 'cheap used car'? I don't know...

Various work colleagues of mine bought during the last few years a number of used saab cars from the same dealer (a SAABtec), and they all seem very happy with them and with the service there, so I am now wondering if I should sell the Focus and get something from there too ...

I just want something that doesn't need major repairs every few months and I'm not sure I can trust this Focus anymore!

Any suggestions appreciated - I don't know that much about cars, I'm afraid!

Edited by euxinus on 06/07/2013 at 01:59

Should I sell and cut my losses? - gordonbennet

Only you know the true condition of your Focus, presumably the garage is a decent one and has done the repairs well.

I'd keep it but keep it serviced well by someone competent who believes in preventative maintenance, always cheaper than fixing when it breaks.

If i'd done the head gasket i would have put a new thermostat in at the same time for peace of mind, entirely possible it helped cause CHG failure in the first place.

Warranty is expensive wallpaper with few exceptions.

Nothing really wrong with Saabs, basically they are a Vectra underneath, some parts will probably be in increasingly short supply, but if there is a good specialist indy locally who knows his stuff and looks after his customers then you could do worse when you want to get a second car.

Similarly i wouldn't entertain a MB if i had to use the main dealers or a general indy, but i have an excellent make specific indy locally who has kept all of mine well tended.

Should I sell and cut my losses? - Andrew-T

If you've forked out good money for a head gasket and a timing belt, it seems perverse not to reap some benefit. They should help to sell the car, but that is your only benefit if you do sell. But if you can't suppress your lack of trust in the vehicle, spend some more money - you'll have to learn to (dis)trust a different car then ....

Should I sell and cut my losses? - Avant

I would agree: keep the Focus but if you need another car buy whatever Toyota you can afford. Nothing soldiers on quite like an old Toyota, except perhaps an old Volvo It depends how big a car you need..

Should I sell and cut my losses? - Cyd

Like the others above I disagree with the "throw it away" brigade. Chances are that it'll be a fine car for many years as long as you look after it. Do you know what prompted the head gasket failure, or was it a burned valve? It could be that it wasn't well looked after from new, but as it's a not an old car that can be corected by yourself and there's no reason it shouldn't be reliable..

We had a similar experience with my wifes Rover 25. It burned out two exhaust valves a couple of years ago at about 60k and 7 years old. It cost us £850, but that included a cambelt, coolant change, water pump and full service all of which were near due anyway (so the "real" cost wasn't £850,more like about £500). We paid £5000 for it when it was 1 year old with 1700 miles (no there is not a 0 missing). We'll keep it at least another 3 to 5 years by which time we'll have had it getting on for 14 years and 130k. So it'll have cost us less than £500 a year in depreciation, even including the repair. The only other thing we've had fail is that the aircon has stopped working this year. As it only goes no more than 15 miles away each day and never does long journeys (we use my Saab for that) we're not going to bother sorting that, the missus would rather put the money towards this years holiday.

To sum up, I'd say keep it. All cars are complex machines and could suffer some similar failure during their lifetime. It's part of motoring. There are no guarantees.

As for buying a warranty - waste your money if you like, but I'd keep the money and just pay for what's required when it's needed.
I was offered a warranty for £450 a year for my Saab when I bought it. The example they used was that a gearbox failure could cost £000s. Really? A 40k second hand 6 speeder can be had for £400. Call it £300 to swap it out(about a days work at a competent garage). So £700 - less than 2 years warranty. No thanks.

If you're interested I wrote about my Saab here:
http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=99578

Should I sell and cut my losses? - 72 dudes

Yep, as above.

Keep the Focus, you've already spent on it so to sell now would be not worthwhile, especially as it will be worth several thousand less than you paid for it.

The car was 6 years old when you bought it, things like this do go wrong from time to time.

Should I sell and cut my losses? - euxinus

Thank you for your replies!

I'm not really sure what caused the head gasket problem - according to the mechanic, there was a previous repair that wasn't done properly (they found some missing screw(s) or something like that! I'm sorry, but as I said before - I don't know much about car engines...)

I'm starting to believe the subsequent thermostat problem might have had something to with the blown head gasket, earlier. The thermostat casing was damaged - a piece of it actually broke, causing a coolant leak. Could it just be a coincidence that they found a thermostat problem relatively soon after the head gasket repair?

I think the car runs noticeably smoother now, but I'm thinking in the future (hopefully not anytime soon) I may take it to another garage instead.

Should I sell and cut my losses? - Andrew-T

As for buying a warranty - waste your money if you like, but I'd keep the money and just pay for what's required when it's needed.

Or better still, just before it's needed - in other words, preventive maintenance. Usually works out cheaper, especially if you keep the car for a reasonable time.

Oh, and the fact that the gasket went soon after you bought, suggests that may have been why the previous owner got rid? Hopefully you have sorted all the important problems and the car should prove reliable.

Edited by Andrew-T on 07/07/2013 at 10:33

Should I sell and cut my losses? - brum

according to the mechanic, there was a previous repair that wasn't done properly (they found some missing screw(s) or something like that! I'm sorry, but as I said before - I don't know much about car engines...)

I'm starting to believe the subsequent thermostat problem might have had something to with the blown head gasket, earlier. The thermostat casing was damaged - a piece of it actually broke, causing a coolant leak. Could it just be a coincidence that they found a thermostat problem relatively soon after the head gasket repair?

I think the car runs noticeably smoother now, but I'm thinking in the future (hopefully not anytime soon) I may take it to another garage instead.

All evidence points to a previous problem and a bodged/cheap repair that also caused further damage. If the head gasket/thermostat has been done properly at a good reputable garage, (and you say it runs smoother now)., all should be well and you should keep it.

Should I sell and cut my losses? - FP

Like most other posters to this thread, I'd advise keeping the car. However, I recognise the sickening feeling when you're faced with a fairly significant breakdown that this could be the beginning, not the end, of something.

If your repairs have now been properly done and if there's no known other issues with the car, you've no good reason to ditch it.

I bought a second-hand Focus Mk 2 2-litre Titanium (05 plate) a couple of years ago and the alternator failed a year later, with less than 50,000 on the clock. However, I knew this wasn't a "known issue" and that I had just been unlucky. It was replaced and I felt confident enough to do a big tour of France in it last summer. Never missed a beat, nor since I got back. Excellent car - very pleased with it.

Edited by FP on 07/07/2013 at 13:36

Should I sell and cut my losses? - sandy56

I would joing some of the previous posters and say thta if the car is performing better after the repairs then keep it.

I bought a used MK3 Ford Mondeo 2.5l petrol from a back street dealer. I liked the car then I discovered the alternator was on its way out. I had that replaced and everything seemed ok.

Next I found that the main catalyst was blocked. I had never heard of a blocked cat before. IN the end it was better and cheaper for Ford to replace the system than an independent garage. Two expensive repairs in a year but I kep the car for a while and I had no more problems. It looked like poor maintenance and a lack of use were the problems.

If you like the car then keep it, if not then change it, but be aware any 2nd hand car is a RISK and the next car could be an expensive money pit.