20mph in London by 2020? - John Boy

Article in London Evening Standard:

www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/london-could-see...l

20mph in London by 2020? - RT

It's a non-event - the average speed in London has always been 8mph, ever since the horse-drawn era !!

20mph in London by 2020? - Engineer Andy

I think 20mph limits on low-use (back street, not busy roads) residential roads is useful when looking at a safety (children playing/the elderly) POV, however reducing limits everywhere at all times of the day are, in my view, not always warranted.

Given new technology, maybe variable speed limits in such areas (including near schools/retirement homes/community centres and even shopping areas) would be more effective, especially if they showed common sense (e.g. having a 30 or 40mph limit on roads deserted at night in non-residential areas, reduced to 20 or 30 during busy [both vehicles and pedestrians] periods). Any speed cameras (only installed where needed and make a difference) could change their triggering speeds accordingly like they do on the M25 between the M4 & M40.

I do still subscribe to the view that the policies of several governements to reduce the number of traffic police was wrong, as careless/dangerous/reckless driving can be all to easily "got away with" nowadays and, with the media portraying such driving as cool (often associated with the "hero" winning the day), regarded as "normal". Drivers should always drive at a speed relevant to the conditions of the road, including the area that the road is going through. If speed limits reflected this view (hence why I think variable ones would be good), more people would bother to obey them as they weren't there as a money-making wheeze from cameras making people drop to 30mph at 2am when you could do 40 safely.

20mph in London by 2020? - LikedDrivingOnce

Excellent post, EA. I agree with every word.

Too "common sense" and logical for our politicians, though.

20mph in London by 2020? - Ethan Edwards

Exactly...As much as 20mph? You wish!

Move away from the Capital. It's great out here.

20mph in London by 2020? - RT

Shhhhh ! Don't tell them - let them all huddle together in blissful ignorance.

20mph in London by 2020? - Engineer Andy

Exactly...As much as 20mph? You wish!

Move away from the Capital. It's great out here.

I think this is more to do with roads away from high streets and similar very busy roads - often when I (or have been a passenger) have driven into parts of (north) London, you see many people using residential side streets as cut throughs to avoid the very busy "main" roads, which often is much more danegrous as they are physically longer routes and hence why some drive quite fast (relatively speaking) along them. Its all to easy even at 30mph to miss a five year-old about to run out into the road being partially/fully hidden behind a parked car, wall or bush. Much less time to stop if you're doing 20 or less.

Would would also be interesting is how the accident rate has fared in areas like Barnet in north London where (reportedly) a good deal of road humps in the borough have been removed because the damage they cause to both vehicles and buildings through use, as well as the noise. Let's hope campaign groups and politicians on both sides of the argument don't "massage the figures" for their own purposes and just stick to the facts (hard, I know).

20mph in London by 2020? - alastairq

Exactly...As much as 20mph? You wish!

Move away from the Capital. It's great out here.

my thoughts too...

20mph in London by 2020? - Smileyman

Residential roads and roads on industrial estates - excellent idea for the safety of all

Main roads - stupid idea, action is needed to speed up traffic, to cut journey times and make business more effiicient

I saw this in action in Islington a couple of weeks ago,it was a Sunday, traffic was light and it took flipping ages to progress my journey. Utter frustration. Cameras aplenty - the waste of public money in setting up and enforcing this scheme must be staggering, no doubt the locals love it because non locals travelling through the area will be main victims. The money would be better spent taking someone off the dole and benefits and asking them to count the leaves on trees.

20mph in London by 2020? - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:...""Given new technology, maybe variable speed limits in such areas..... ""

The the basic know-how exists to develop variable speed limiters fitted to vehicles that automatically restricts their speed to the limit on a particular stretch of road, using GPS.

That's not to say they could be introduced tomorrow, but maybe within the next decade.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 10/06/2013 at 01:10