Different oil specs approved by car makers - helmbarrie

I use fully synthetic oil in a Citroen C1 and a BMW 530i. Does the precise specification of Citroen, BMW etc really matter that much. Have they got different standards? Europarts had 5 - 30 synthetic approved by Mazda at a very reasonable price about £18. Would this be unwise to use in non Mazda cars. How do the manufacturers come up with their different specifications of the same viscosity oil?

Different oil specs approved by car makers - thunderbird

The spec variations are mainly down to emmision system needs plus BMW normally specify long life oil (thats what the LL is for in the spec).

Is it worth saving a few pounds and puttin the wrong stuff in. It could be a very costly mistake.

We are lucky at present, we use a Total oil that meets the manufacturers spec for both our cars.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - Hamsafar

This interactive graph give a good indication of oil spec peformance compared. VW 507.00 looks pretty much the best overall.

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Edited by Hamsafar on 05/06/2013 at 16:33

Different oil specs approved by car makers - RT

The ACEA scheme provides enough categories of oil with different characterics for most manufacturers selling cars in Europe although one or two do have their own specifications.

All my car manufacturer specifies is 5W-30 ACEA-C3 - so as long as the oil I use meets that spec I'm fine.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - unthrottled

API specs are so loose as to be completely inadequate for anything other than a Briggs and Stratton. None of the OEMs have much faith in API specs and most have developd their own specs.

Generally speaking, there's too much hand-wringing about viscosity (which is so temperature dependant) that a tight specofication is impossible. But the other aspects of oil composition are much more important.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - RT

API is a minimum standard for US usage - oil that just meets the latest API standard is only good for 5,000 miles - although they do have higher quality oil available their market is hampered by the lack of a real quality standard.

Until recently I accepted the view that viscosity should be ambient temperature dependent - but I have seen a well-written article suggesting that since all ordinary road cars run at about 90 degrees C when warmed up so all ordinary road cars should use -30 hot viscosity with only the cold viscosity being dependent on ambient temperature.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - unthrottled

Until recently I accepted the view that viscosity should be ambient temperature dependent - but I have seen a well-written article suggesting that since all ordinary road cars run at about 90 degrees C

Yes, oil coolers virtually nullify the effects of ambient temperature on operating conditions, but what are operating conditions? The big end bearings and cylinder bores won't be sitting at a nice steady 90C!

Then there's the issue of how you measure the viscosity. API quote a low shear test for viscosity, but most tribologists think that high shear viscosity is a much better indicator of oil performance on heavily loaded surfaces.

This matters because, unlike monograde oils, multigrades are non-newtonian and suffer shear thinning atr high shear rates.

Then there's the issue of ash content and EP additives. Heavily loaded cam lobes usually require some sort of EP additive-but too much of the wrong additive can really shorten the life of cartalytic convertors and DPFs.

Basically, OEMs know what their engines require. Why deviate withoiut good reason?

Different oil specs approved by car makers - RT
Then there's the issue of how you measure the viscosity. API quote a low shear test for viscosity, but most tribologists think that high shear viscosity is a much better indicator of oil performance on heavily loaded surfaces.

Basically, OEMs know what their engines require. Why deviate withoiut good reason?

American Petroleum Institute (API) is irrelevant to European motorists - has been for decades.

I'm not suggesting deviating (very far!) from the engine manufacturers recommendation - I stick to their ACEA and hot viscosity ratings - but, as a personal choice, I always use the lowest available cold rating - eg use 0W-30 ACEA-C2,C3 instead of the recommended 5W-30 ACEA-C3

Different oil specs approved by car makers - craig-pd130

Diesel cars now require a low-ash oil, to help avoid DPF clogging, so there are certain manufacturer specs for that -- but I would think that most coated DPFs are similar these days, so if BMW recommend it (for example), then it's probably good for other diesels with a coated DPF.

The exception is of course engines like the VAG PD diesels which needed specific oils with an additive to protect against cam lobe wear.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - 72 dudes

I use fully synthetic oil in a Citroen C1 and a BMW 530i. Does the precise specification of Citroen, BMW etc really matter that much. Have they got different standards? Europarts had 5 - 30 synthetic approved by Mazda at a very reasonable price about £18. Would this be unwise to use in non Mazda cars. How do the manufacturers come up with their different specifications of the same viscosity oil?

All very technical but the important thing to look for is the ACEA spec when comparing different fully synthetic 5W-30 oils.

The most common seem to be A3/A4; C3; C1; C2 (which is low SAPS for Peugeot/Citroen engines).

Euro Car Parts Triple QX is good value as is Carlube (made by Comma). Just ensure that ACEA rating is the same as in your handbook and you won't go wrong.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - mustangman

If I can turn the OP's question around a bit .............

In looking for some 507 spec for my VW Tiguan, I note that prices for supposedly compatable oil vary by a range of about 9 - 14 £/L.

Can I trust the less expensive stuff, or is it's compliance to the standard perhaps marginal. Maybe the expensive end eg. Castrol Edge, has things missing from lesser brands & is superior, or are we just buying a brand & getting ripped off ?

Different oil specs approved by car makers - unthrottled

In looking for some 507 spec for my VW Tiguan, I note that prices for supposedly compatable oil vary by a range of about 9 - 14 £/L.

You can get it at ~£27/4 litres when it's on offer-that's under £7/litre. Anything 507 spec will be fine-but none of it is especially cheap!

Different oil specs approved by car makers - A3 A4

Been using Petronas 5000AV in my Audi A4 PD, seems OK and specced at VAG 507. Its normally £32 but 25% of at the mo for 4 litres from Eurocar Parts, its a good price especially as I do twice yearly oil changes. Last weekend they were also throwing in a free oil filter.

Petronas sponcor the Mercedes F1 team, and claim to use Petronas oils.

Edited by A3 A4 on 06/06/2013 at 17:58

Different oil specs approved by car makers - unthrottled

I doubt that F1 specifications are particularly taxing with respect to oil.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - nortones2

Even Castrol R might last long enough before it gums up. By which time the engine will be recycled.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - MrDanno

An oil to Dexos 2 specification should be suitable for both these vehicles.

Dexos 2 meets BMW ll-04 and ACEA A3 / B4 / C3

Different oil specs approved by car makers - RT

If Dexos is anything like Dexron, it'll just be a basic specification with plenty of room for improvement.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - 1litregolfeater

A lot of it is long life, extended service interval specs, which no private owner would want to keep to.... oil changes at 20,000

Other than that yeah you do have to be careful nowadays, and it's getting worse. They are designing and specifying poorer and cheaper components in light of the available oil technology.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - colinh

Situation not helped by the European "block exemption" law, such that a car manufacturer can't insist on their dealers using a particular oil for servicing - they can only list a set of specifications the oil must meet, together with a preferred oil

Different oil specs approved by car makers - RT

Situation not helped by the European "block exemption" law, such that a car manufacturer can't insist on their dealers using a particular oil for servicing - they can only list a set of specifications the oil must meet, together with a preferred oil

It is at least better than the US where they have no equivalent of ACEA categories - and many owners still prefer to use mineral oil, rather than part- or fully-synthetic and argue whether oil should be changed at 3,000 or 5,000 miles.

Different oil specs approved by car makers - MrDanno

The extended oil drains of upto 2 years are interesting to say the least, As none of the filter manufacturers I've asked would recommend using a filter for more than 12 months. Alot of people have had filters break up and block oilways on vauxhalls with the cartride filters.

Vehicle manufacturers only give the minimum specification required and in the past it was based just on the API or ACEA ratings of the oil. API has been out of date for many years (even the Americans themselves will admit to that).

The Dexos2 spec is based mainly on the requirements of low SAPS for diesels with DPF's and GM are charging oil manufacturers a huge amount of money to be able to have their products licensed to use the Dexos 2 brand.

These days my main concern is that there are alot of fake oils out there and who knows what might be in that stuff?