Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - Snakey
I bought a Mazda mx5 about 5 weeks ago. It was advertised as having aircon which I found didn't work. Then shortly afterwards I noticed a slow oil leak so I rang the garage who advised me to take it to their garage. They looked at it and said it might be the head gasket (although not around the cylinders)

They cleaned and fiddled about and basically told me to keep an eye on it for a week or two to see if it continued. It has continued and I have now found a fairly scary piece of rust on one of the chassis rails, which is in fact a split. This seems to be a fairly common fault on these cars but I now think I should just return the car and ask for my money back.

Is that possible? I don't think I want to faff about trying to get the car fixed, and its been a few weeks so how do I stand legally?
Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - Hadrian

How old is the car, and what sort of warranty was included ?

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - 72 dudes

Sale of Goods Act says regardless of warranty, an item must be of satisfactory quality and fit for purpose. With cars, age and mileage will be a factor.

The oil leak and rusty chassis rails were present at the time of purchase, so under SOGA you are entitled for the supplying dealer to repair it. You can also attempt to reject it and get a refund, but this may prove harder.

However, the dealer would have to prove that these two faults were NOT present at the time of purchase to be able to do nothing.

I assume this is a Mk2 MX5 (98-05)? As you say, these models are notorious for corroded front chassis rails, even on low mileage, well kept examples. They are load bearing and if in poor condition would fail an MOT. Was the car sold with a new MOT? The car would now fail an MOT, so easy to prove not fit for purpose. Good luck.

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - Snakey

Thanks for the replies. It is an older one (2002) but was sold with an MOT that was only 2 weeks old at the time of purchase. The warranty was pretty much dealer only (i.e nothing on paper)

I wouldn't car but I looked at loads of MX5's and most have rusty sills - this one must have had its sills properply repaired or replaced which is one of the reasons I bought this particular car!

The chassis rust has obviously been present for some time, the oil leak I raised with the dealer within the first week as well.

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - pd

The MX-5 does not have "chassis rails" as such as it isn't a seperate chassis/body car - where exactly is it rusting?

All Mk 1 & Mk 2 MX-5s are very prone to rusting on the sills - particularly near the rear wheels arch. They all do it to a greater or lesser extent. This will only fail the MOT if it is severe or considered to be too near the seat belt mounting point. Unless the rusting is so bad as to make the car dangerous (i.e. it has a dodgy MOT).

They're all the same and part and parcel of owning one (although it isn't clear from your post where the rust on this one is). Every time you repair them the rust seems to pop up somewhere else - it is like the Forth Bridge.

The oil leak really depends on how much it is leaking. A major leak I think they should address.

I can't see you have any grounds for rejecting an 11 year old car 5 weeks after purchase unless the oil is pouring out or you run it through an MOT yourself and it fails on major corossion.

Edited by pd on 17/05/2013 at 17:40

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - Snakey
I called them chassis rails as that's what they are referred to on the mx5 forums. They are sort of rails mounted on the inner wings at the bottom. Mine is rusting on one side and the metal has split near the anti rollbar mounting point so possibly a safety issue.

As for the oil leak, I bought from a dealer so that I had some comeback when buying the car! The garage seems to think the leak is coming from the cylinder head gasket so its not just a little o ring leaking somewhere.
Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - pd

I think you need to look at the two issues seperately. The rust issue really depends on whether the car is to MOT standard or not. You could simply run it through a MOT to find out. If it fails you may have some comeback that the car was not roadworthy when you bought it.

In the case of the oil leak, assuming it is not very minor, the dealer should try and repair it and they are within their rights to do so.

As far as a refund is concerned, if the car passes it MOT then you are a long way from being legally entitled to one. In reality, a refund on a 11 year old used car any time after the first few days of purchase is very difficult to enforce.

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - Snakey

Just to update this thread. The dealer has turned from being helpful to the kind of snotty attitude I thought had died out years ago!

Basically refused to sort the leak other than chucking some stop-leak rubbish in. And as the car has an mot refused to look at the rust (taking the car for an mot with the covers removed would result in a fail, I have been reliably informed by another MOT tester)

So its off to court to resolve this one. I thought these dodgy dealers were more of a rarity these days.

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - 72 dudes
And as the car has an mot refused to look at the rust (taking the car for an mot with the covers removed would result in a fail, I have been reliably informed by another MOT tester)

Fairly clear cut then. They sold you a car with either

(a) a dodgy MOT certificate, or

(b) a serious structural corrosion problem at the time of purchase, therefore not fit for purpose.

Probably both. In addition, they cannot just avoid their responsibility to provide a fix or refund.

Keep going!

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - Snakey

So I guess the best way to to reject the car. I can knock up a rejection letter easily enough but do you have to leave the letter and the car with them, or reject it first and wait for them to 'accept' the rejection?

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - pd

I think you should actually put it in for an MOT and perhaps, ideally, a "non-biased" one at,say, a local council depot.

A "word" of an MOT tester means nothing - an actual faliure sheet stating the car is dangerous is far more likely to get you somewhere.

I wouldn't hand over the car to anyone unless a clear agreement is in place.

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - 72 dudes

Agree with pd, get another independent MOT done, write and deliver the rejection letter, but do not hand the car over.

If this is rejected, then it would be a small claims court action. With the failed MOT certificate, you would have a good chance of winning

Mazda MX-5 - Returning a car - Snakey

Thanks for the advice - I'm going to get another 'proper' MOT done to verify before I go ahead with rejecting it.

I thought these Arthur Daley types had died out!