Mazda 6 driver death wish - Trilogy

This morning while travelling on the A14 I spotted a Mazda 6 driver in the middle lane, following an HGV rather too closely. The Mazda 6 was being tailgated by another HGV. I wouldn't want to have been in the Mazda!!!

Mazda 6 driver death wish - veryoldbear

That is quite cool. It could have resulted in a Mazdo 6 about 2 ft long. Not to be recommended.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - daveyjp
But he was getting 90mpg!
Mazda 6 driver death wish - Bycro
Hi Trilogy, that doesn't surprise me, the standard of driving on our roads seems to be deteriorating all the time sadly. I drive around 35,000 miles a year and every day I see tailgating, lack of lane discipline on motorways and general discourteous behaviour.

I understand that their is no such a person as a perfect driver, but some do take the biscuit.
Mazda 6 driver death wish - alastairq

Are you sure there was a driver in the MAzda?

Perhaps it had just been parked between the two lorries?

And neither lorry driver noticed?

Good drivers????

No matter how much experience, or training, or knowledge one has....one is only as good a driver, at that moment in time, that hour, that day.

It takes less than a second to go from hero to zero.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - galileo

Local news tonight said West Yorkshire Police are going to target tailgating and mobile phone use etc on the M62. Their statistics show 13 accidents a month over the last year. Personally I avoid it (especially the stretch round Leeds) at busy times.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - HandCart

>>"The standard of driving on our roads seems to be deteriorating all the time"

Hmm.. It must surely be the truth that there is a higher (and ever-increasing?) proportion of drivers on our roads nowadays who have never taken/passed a UK Driving Test...


Mazda 6 driver death wish - madf

IF the police were serious - and the political will existed.. all the uninsured drivers # could be off the roads in six months.

But then there are not enough police...

#2 million...

"The worst offenders were in Greater London, Merseyside and Greater Manchester, with 13%, 12% and 10% of vehicles uninsured, the research found.

The Motor Insurers' Bureau (MIB), which compensates people in accidents with uninsured drivers, estimates over 1.7m people drove without cover in 2008."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/8272054.stm


Mazda 6 driver death wish - Happy Blue!

What is worse is the members of the Middle Lane Hogging Club. They undoubtedly cause more accidents than they see,

Mazda 6 driver death wish - HandCart

And, not far from the M62 around Leeds,

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1215828/Revealed-The-uninsured-captital-Britain-half-motorists-cover.html

"Every second motorist (49.5 per cent) in Barkerend in the West Yorkshire town is uninsured - the highest concentration of uninsured drivers anywhere in the country according to a post-code map of the problem."

...In 2009, at least.

But I wasn't even referring to uninsured drivers; I just mean drivers who legitimately HAVE a licence, from another country, but can exchange it for a UK one without having to pass any UK test or carefully study our Highway Code.

That alone is very unlikely to change things in a positive direction, is it.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - galileo

>>"The standard of driving on our roads seems to be deteriorating all the time"

Hmm.. It must surely be the truth that there is a higher (and ever-increasing?) proportion of drivers on our roads nowadays who have never taken/passed a UK Driving Test...

The driving test was introduced in 1934. Anyone 17 years old then will now be 79. So anyone who has not had to take a test must be over that age, this is a limited number of people so can not possibly increase.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - Avant

For a moment I thought he meant that. But more likely he meant that there are more and more drivers who are either driving illegally or have passed a (possibly easier) test in another country.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - Sofa Spud

The other day, on the M4 I saw a VW Golf GTI being very closely tailgated by a Porsche 911 in the outside lane - both cars must have been doing in excess of 100 mph, judging by the speed at which they passed me when I was doing 70 in the middle lane.

The Porsche driver appeared to be flashing his headlights at the Golf.

I would not have been at all surprised if we'd come across an accident involving these idiots further along the motorway.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - Sofa Spud

QUOTE:...""What is worse is the members of the Middle Lane Hogging Club. They undoubtedly cause more accidents than they see, ""

Not this old chestnut again! Obviously when the motorway is clear or traffic is light, one should keep to lane 1 as much as possible. But if it's busy, with lots of slower traffic in lane 1, it's safer to stay out in lane 2 at 65-70 mph than to keep dodging into lane 1 and out again. If people behind want to pass you, there''s always lane 3 - that's what it's there for! But that's often full too - with 'fast lane hoggers', perhaps? - Like the VW Golf I mentioned in the post above ? !!

Even if un-necessary hogging of the middle lane is inconsiderate, I don't see how middle-lane hoggers could be a major cause of accidents! A bigger cause, I think, is when someone from lane 1 pulls out into a gap in lane 2 at the same time as someone going faster in lane 3 pulls over into the same gap. I've seen lots of near misses like this.

Edited by Sofa Spud on 10/05/2013 at 23:16

Mazda 6 driver death wish - Trilogy

Even if un-necessary hogging of the middle lane is inconsiderate, I don't see how middle-lane hoggers could be a major cause of accidents! A bigger cause, I think, is when someone from lane 1 pulls out into a gap in lane 2 at the same time as someone going faster in lane 3 pulls over into the same gap. I've seen lots of near misses like this.

Then it is lane 3 driver's responsibility to avoid.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - RT

Even if un-necessary hogging of the middle lane is inconsiderate, I don't see how middle-lane hoggers could be a major cause of accidents! A bigger cause, I think, is when someone from lane 1 pulls out into a gap in lane 2 at the same time as someone going faster in lane 3 pulls over into the same gap. I've seen lots of near misses like this.

Then it is lane 3 driver's responsibility to avoid.

Equal responsibility IMO - that's why indicators should be used BEFORE manoeuvring !!

Mazda 6 driver death wish - unthrottled

A bigger cause, I think, is when someone from lane 1 pulls out into a gap in lane 2 at the same time as someone going faster in lane 3 pulls over into the same gap. I've seen lots of near misses like this.

Then it is lane 3 driver's responsibility to avoid.

This is why some people just go to lane 3 and stay there. It's much easier to cruise in lane 3 than lane 1 or 2 which actually requires some concentration and awareness of other vehicles. This is why I think slow moving traffic does cause problems and want to push the speed of the slowest moving traffic up to 50mph+ in free flowing motorways.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - Hamsafar

If they were really close, probably not that dangerous as there is no gap to allow for speed differentials to develop in a sudden braking by the first lorry.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - alastairq

This is why some people just go to lane 3 and stay there. It's much easier to cruise in lane 3 than lane 1 or 2 which actually requires some concentration and awareness of other vehicles. This is why I think slow moving traffic does cause problems and want to push the speed of the slowest moving traffic up to 50mph+ in free flowing motorways.

If slow moving traffic is an issue to too many other drivers, then there is an argument for more 'private' motorways such as the M6? Then those who wish to travel a lot faster can pay for the privilege of not being held up...or rather, not having to exercise more driving skill, simply coping with slower moving traffic?

The roads..especially non-private motorways, are public highways, open to all who comply.

For those in a hurry, there should be viable alternatives [trains? for exampe, or private, exclusive mtorways?] made available?

For the rest of us, in whatever qualifying vehicle we happen to be driving, the motorway system as at present should not be denied, simply because faster-moving drivers struggle to cope!

If slower vehicles appear to create a problem, then it is the skill-levels of the 'faster' drivers that need attention.

.I have a preference for the left lane, when traffic conditions get bad.

Even if that means adopting slower average speeds.

For two main reasons.

[1] I am then not getting involved with the high-speed bunching that prevails in the other two [or more] lanes, as too many drivers try to cram themselves into too little road space.

& [2]....if something does go seriously wrong with the mass of vehicles ahead of me, I have at least got some clear space to my left, available for avoidance.

A factor which is denied everybody sat nose-to-tail at high speed in the centre and right overtaking lanes.

An attitude which probably stems from years of motorway driving in vehicles with very limited road performance by comparison....and not wishing to be in a position where I have moving..and possibly passing, traffic on my 'blind' side?

Of course, when all the faster traffic has rushed into that too small a road space, and comes to a crawl...minimum speeds suddnely become totally meaningless, let alone enforceable?

Motorways [other than the private option I mention above] must remain open to all....and not simply those who are in a hurry to get to work.


Mazda 6 driver death wish - gordonbennet

Only 3 lane sections i can think of on the A14 are between Bar Hill and Cambridge, and the Newmarket by pass.

Depending on the competence of the following lorry driver then our friend in the Mazda 6 is arguably in one of the safest places he could ever be, a crossover from the opposite carriageway would be most unlikely to affect him, and our good driver behind protects from all but the worse on offer, as a bonus his mpg will be fantastic due to slip steam.

I keep a good distance from the vehicle in front, quite sure i've been selected many times by people in cars who have noticed that to travel in front of in dense traffic....pity they didn't notice me dunking a biscuit whilst making several calls on the phone..:-)

Edited by gordonbennet on 11/05/2013 at 12:35

Mazda 6 driver death wish - unthrottled

as a bonus his mpg will be fantastic due to slip steam.

True! Hard earned mpg bonus though. The slipstream effect becomes stronger the closer the trailing vehicle is to lead vehicle which tends to 'suck' the trailing vehicle towards the leading one. The trailing driver then overcorrects with the brakes and falls out of the wake altogether. One of the reasons I gave up hitching free rides!

Mazda 6 driver death wish - Trilogy

Even if un-necessary hogging of the middle lane is inconsiderate, I don't see how middle-lane hoggers could be a major cause of accidents! A bigger cause, I think, is when someone from lane 1 pulls out into a gap in lane 2 at the same time as someone going faster in lane 3 pulls over into the same gap. I've seen lots of near misses like this.

Then it is lane 3 driver's responsibility to avoid.

Equal responsibility IMO - that's why indicators should be used BEFORE manoeuvring !!

Supposed to be lane 3 driver's responsibility, because driver can see what is going on. Lane 3 driver can be in lane 2 Ddriver's blindspot.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - RT

Even if un-necessary hogging of the middle lane is inconsiderate, I don't see how middle-lane hoggers could be a major cause of accidents! A bigger cause, I think, is when someone from lane 1 pulls out into a gap in lane 2 at the same time as someone going faster in lane 3 pulls over into the same gap. I've seen lots of near misses like this.

Then it is lane 3 driver's responsibility to avoid.

Equal responsibility IMO - that's why indicators should be used BEFORE manoeuvring !!

Supposed to be lane 3 driver's responsibility, because driver can see what is going on. Lane 3 driver can be in lane 2 Ddriver's blindspot.

Even that logic supposes that ALL drivers indicate for several seconds before pulling out - but competent drivers with proper mirrors have no blindspots !!

If you can't see a clear area - don't pull out into it.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - Trilogy

Even if un-necessary hogging of the middle lane is inconsiderate, I don't see how middle-lane hoggers could be a major cause of accidents! A bigger cause, I think, is when someone from lane 1 pulls out into a gap in lane 2 at the same time as someone going faster in lane 3 pulls over into the same gap. I've seen lots of near misses like this.

Then it is lane 3 driver's responsibility to avoid.

Equal responsibility IMO - that's why indicators should be used BEFORE manoeuvring !!

Supposed to be lane 3 driver's responsibility, because driver can see what is going on. Lane 3 driver can be in lane 2 Ddriver's blindspot.

Even that logic supposes that ALL drivers indicate for several seconds before pulling out - but competent drivers with proper mirrors have no blindspots !!

If you can't see a clear area - don't pull out into it.

Could be clear when you do see it. Then some inconsiderate tw** in lane 3 takes it. He has the best view, not a blindspot for him. :)

Mazda 6 driver death wish - RT

Could be clear when you do see it. Then some inconsiderate tw** in lane 3 takes it. He has the best view, not a blindspot for him. :)

But in between those two points, the driver in lane 1 should have indicated in time for the driver in lane 3 not to change lane - but I agree that "inconsiderate" is the cause of the issue.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - Trilogy

Could be clear when you do see it. Then some inconsiderate tw** in lane 3 takes it. He has the best view, not a blindspot for him. :)

But in between those two points, the driver in lane 1 should have indicated in time for the driver in lane 3 not to change lane - but I agree that "inconsiderate" is the cause of the issue.

Some cars don't have indicators.;)

Mazda 6 driver death wish - balleballe

I just dont understand why the Golf driver didnt move the middle lane.

Mazda 6 driver death wish - fredthefifth
Not so long ago I was doing 50mph in one of the average speed zones on the M5 and an HGV was about a foot from the back of my car. Really intimidating. Wife tried to take photo but she's not so good if it isn't a txt message, whatsapp or Facebook.