Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - craig-pd130

Here are the road test figures obtained by Motor magazine during its 1975 test of a Mercedes 240D (2.4 litre normally-aspirated 4-cylinder, 65bhp / 101 ft-lb)

Maximum speed: 84.4mph

0 - 60mph: 21.8 seconds

40 - 60mph in 4th gear: 14.5 seconds

Economy during test: 26.7mpg

Was diesel fuel THAT much cheaper in the 70s to justify the sluggishness and unremarkable economy?

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - unthrottled

Pretty meagre performance-even by the standards of the day. But fuel economy was a big issue in 1970's America.

But the diesel needed a turbo to shine and the situation wasn't resolved until the 300TD came along, that the derv option made any real sense.

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - brum

40 years ago, most diesel cars were run on red diesel.....

Edited by brum on 13/03/2013 at 17:17

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - unthrottled

What is perhaps more surprising is how little automotive diesels developed from the first passnger car diesel in 1936, the MB 260D, 45hp from ~2.5litre 4 cylinder engine...

f...ast forward 40 years and the 1976 MB 240D is only churning out ~65hp from~2.5litre 4 pot.

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - daveyjp
I have a Best of Car magazine book which features cars from 70s and 80s. Large barges like that with a petrol engine would get about 20mpg.

During the 50s My grandparents did a tour of northern Spain and Portugal in a diesel Merc.

Edited by daveyjp on 13/03/2013 at 17:25

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - Sofa Spud

There was only a very small market for diesel cars until the late 70's or early 80's, so there wasn't a huge incentive to develop the small diesels as fited to cars.

Although Merceded-Benz and Peugeot paved the way, it was when the diesel version of the original VW Golf came along that the trend towards diesel really began.

I think diesel engines will become almost universal in internal combustion engined cars in a few years time although there will probably be a growth in the number of pure electric cars, many bought as second cars.

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - Bromptonaut

The fuel economy figure is during the test and would be driven markedly downwards by the 'performance' sessions. Thirty mpg plus, a 50% improvement on petrol, would be attainable in real life. The difference under urban conditions would be even more marked - there's a reason why these cars were used as taxis.

And while the 0-60 figure is unimpressive the 40-60 in top isn't that sluggish for the day.

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - TeeCee

>> unremarkable economy

In an unblown diesel, they probably had to have the loud pedal mashed into the floorboards most of the time to achieve those performance figures.

Also almost certainly mechanically injected using the "squirt vaguely the right amount in and hope" principle back then.

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - Roly93

Also almost certainly mechanically injected using the "squirt vaguely the right amount in and hope" principle back then.

Like the analagy !

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - Bilboman

When I first came to live in Spain in 1990, the VW Golf GTD was considered quite a sporty upmarket, almost yuppie sort of car and driving a diesel engined car never had any image issues. As previously mentioned, big lumbering diesel powered Mercedes barges were absolutely standard taxis on most of the continent and, again, still no image problem if the local bank manager or school headmaster drove one.
The same was true of most of the continent, where lower fuel prices and lower tax bands of diesel cars meant that they took off decades before they did in Britain. When I worked part time in a filling station in my mis-spent youth (paying for driving lessons!) the DERV pump was in the "lost" corner of the forecourt, the preserve of truckers and the odd taxi.
Am I right in thinking that Brent produces very little or no fuel for diesel, and that most diesel fuel in the UK is imported? Might have something to do with the slow acceptance of diesel engined cars in Britain.

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - daveyjp
Re diesel pumps. Even during the late 80s a family friend had an Orion 1.6 D company car and he had to remember which stations sold diesel.

The pumps were usually round the back in a yard and often high flow, larger nozzle versions for HGVs which he couldn't use.
Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - gordonbennet

Well having run Diesels almost continually for the last 30 odd years i find myself without one any more, and have no intention of getting another unless so cheap that its disposable.

They used to be The default choice for econmical no nonsense motoring, reliable simple and durable, so long as you maintained well and if fitted with a turbo allowed to warm up and cool down sensibly then they would usually give a whole car life of economical trouble free service, a world apart from an equivalent performance petrol engine in fuelling costs, usually far more reliable to boot.

Thats no longer the case, increasingly complicated and now reached the point that i've given up with them and see nothing to tempt me back, i'll stick with LPG for the forseeable in both cars, when dick turpin eventually brings in road pricing i'll do without a car altogether and he can have even less of my/our money.

Any - How far diesels have come in the past 30-odd years - RT

Am I right in thinking that Brent produces very little or no fuel for diesel, and that most diesel fuel in the UK is imported? Might have something to do with the slow acceptance of diesel engined cars in Britain.

North Sea oil is very high grade, for crude oil, so it's mostly exported or used directly unrefined in Scottish coastal power stations.

Most crude oil refined into diesel and petrol for the UK is lower quality stuff, ie cheaper, imported from elsewhere.