Chinese car industry overproduction - expat

China seems to have a huge surplus of new cars

www.reuters.com/investigations/china-is-sending-it.../

It is a pity we can't get some of those bargains. 50% off on an Audi sounds OK.

Chinese car industry overproduction - Terry W

Something of a contrast with the UK experience.

China had a very clear EV strategy providing a range of incentives to manufacturers. China now produces 30% of global car volumes.

They clearly overdid the incentives. The end result is, unsurprisingly, a market with huge overcapacity - discounts, large stocks, likely business failures. They may even consider this a price worth paying for global market dominance in the future.

The UK by contrast has lost most car manufacturing leaving only a few foreign owned companies doing mostly assembly work. The UK is world class in creating barriers (eg: planning, nimbys, delays etc) to efficient investment in facilities which could compete.

We left the EU so we are no longer seen as the natural European manufacturing hub despite our manufacturing heritage.

My guess - in 10 years time China will be globally dominant car manufacturers with an industry which by then largely aligns with market demand. The UK will still be doing screwdriver jobs for foreign owned companies.

Chinese car industry overproduction - Warning

I sat in a BYD Seal. A taxi driver had one. Looked great, but not comfortable at the back when driving on roads.

Chinese car industry overproduction - gordonbennet

Former Great Britain cannot compete in manufacture whilst we have the worlds most expensive commercial power, the country's economy is disappearing round the U bend as the national debt rises to unpayable levels, meanwhile the east gets on with becoming the worlds economic powerhouse.

Whether people wish to help this all happen buy buying Chinese cars at supposed cut rate is up to them, our govts of the day (not a fag paper between them) don't mind because each purchase brings taxes in which helps keep the plates spinning for another while, hope those buying into Chinese cars are renting them one way or another and not buying outright, the long term viability of both the cars themselves and the business making them isn't yet known.

Chinese car industry overproduction - Adampr

China already dominates manufacturing of consumer products and are just adding cars to the portfolio. The result will be cheap, reliable and generally OK vehicles, much the same as everything else. European brands will rely on brand and excellence to sell cars. Most of them, which abandoned excellence long ago, will disappear.

Chinese car industry overproduction - pd

There will clearly be a huge shakeout of Chinese manufacturers with a series of bankruptcies and mergers.

However, I suspect at the end of it all China will probably end up with at least 3 of the world's top 5 car manufacturers so they probably don't care too much all round.

It's like the dot.com bubble, there will be many losers but the few who do emerge will win big.

Chinese car industry overproduction - John F

It doesn't help that we still drive on the left. I'm in Irvine CA at the moment (techy population c.50% white c.50% asian) walking the grand-dog around housing estates. Most Americans in this new garden city seem to use their garages for storage and park on the drive or in the street, so lots of cars to see. They are mostly Asian, mainly Toyota/Lexus, Hyundai/Genesis/KIA, Nissan/Infiniti and occasional Mazda but no Chinese as effectively banned. Also lots of Teslas. The massive family SUVs are also remarkably cheap. Very few European, apart from Mercedes. What is noticeable is the number of models that never made it to the UK - presumable couldn't be bothered with a RHD version. Still plenty of rumbly V8s around - hardly surprising as even though this area has the priciest petrol in the USA ...(just filled up son's car; premium$5.26 a (US) gallon = only around a £1 a litre).....Americans here are mostly 'cunseedrubly reacher then yow'.

Edited by John F on 19/09/2025 at 19:33

Chinese car industry overproduction - mcb100
We drove San Francisco to San Diego earlier this year, i wasn't surprised by the numbers of regular Teslas, but visually offended by the proliferation of Cybertrucks.
Also commonly seen, particularly in LA, were lots of Range Rovers. And a Rolls-Royce Cullinan on very noisy off-road tyres…
Chinese car industry overproduction - Warning

The UK by contrast has lost most car manufacturing leaving only a few foreign owned companies doing mostly assembly work. The UK is world class in creating barriers (eg: planning, nimbys, delays etc) to efficient investment in facilities which could compete.

This certainly is not the issue. Our planning system is producing cramped homes and town centres that are generally ugly. The country is filled with unattractive high-rise blocks build by the state. By contrast, our heritage town centres, which were often built by the well-off, were far more beautiful.

Britain once had strong manufacturing capability, but it lost it. The union leaders took the country down a path of industrial disputes. They did not protect their members’ jobs and they lacked commercial awareness. Many of the factory bosses, educated in private schools and trained in classical history, had little understanding of industry, engineering, or even the companies they were supposed to manage. The country lacked unity and was divided by class conflict.

In the 1970s the state propped up failing industries. Money was taken from the profit-generating parts of the economy and funnelled into industries that were failing, often staffed by people who were incompetent, disruptive, or who demanded more pay for less work.

Civil servants were left to run state enterprises, despite having classical educations rather than real-life experience in creating and managing businesses.

Today, being rich is often seen as shameful. People forget that Rolls Royce was founded through a partnership between an engineer and a wealthy investor. That no longer happens.

Today, anyone in Britain with money is seen as a cash cow, or is accused of being greedy simply for being rich. Too often, businesses are treated as providers of social services, as though workers are “owed” a living by their employer, rather than recognising employment as a mutually beneficial arrangement in which the business gains a return and the worker gains a job that allows him or her to provide for a family.

Socialist-minded workers are quick to demand a share of profits when a company is doing well, yet the same workers will not work for free when the company is in trouble. Why did n't the workers step in and work for free to save our manufacturing industries?

Britain has high taxation, which extracts money from the economy and puts it into the hands of the government. Inheritance tax, at 40 percent, makes the United Kingdom uncompetitive compared to other countries. In Australia the inheritance rate is 0%. As a result, in Britain wealth cannot easily be passed down through generations. How many British companies remain in the hands of the families that founded them? Increasingly, UK businesses are being bought up by foreign competitors.

We need an economy, where money meets good ideas.

I have known many business owners who sold up, retired, and simply became fed up with regulation. The world is changing rapidly with the internet and digital technology.

There are also too many people in jobs they are not good at. Musk was right to ask: “What did you get done this week?”

People need money to start and grow businesses, but taxation and redistribution are treated as solutions for equality rather than as barriers that discourage enterprise.

At the same time, many of today’s 20-year-olds are more interested in quick and easy money through financial trading or buying Bitcoin than in building industries or leaving a legacy. Chief executives are often focused on the next quarterly results instead of building companies for long-term growth, which in turn damages pensions. Ultimately taxes collection for the NHS. The London Stock Exchange is not performing well.

Where are the people with the talent and drive to open car plants? Britain, does not rich citizens.

Increasingly, we rely on overseas investors to build factories. If James Dyson built a car plant, he would be criticised, but if a foreign company opened a car plant in the UK, they would be welcomed with open arms. It seems perverse that we do not back our own citizens.

We are also sending too many people to university, even though the jobs simply do not exist.

Our colleges are producing people with mediocre talent.

The country does not have the leaders to change course.

Chinese car industry overproduction - Orb>>.

Ditto.

But we have a surprise for the taxman.

When I pop my clogs it's all going to charity.

No inheritance tax on that.

Chinese car industry overproduction - RT

Ditto.

But we have a surprise for the taxman.

When I pop my clogs it's all going to charity.

No inheritance tax on that.

With a threshold for us as a couple of £1,000,000 there's little chance of us exceeding that!

Chinese car industry overproduction - leaseman

I hope that you are right after 25th November. The Right Hon. Rachael may be after you.

Chinese car industry overproduction - Adampr

I'm pretty sure if James Dyson built a car plant, that would be welcome. When he built a vacuum cleaner plant in Wiltshire, people liked him more. That tailed off pretty quickly once he moved production to the far east. You will recall that Ineos were going to make cars in Wales but decided to do so in France instead.

If the UK wants to compete with China in manufacturing we need to reverse about 500 years worth of human rights and environmental progress. Much better to find what we are better at than them (and everyone else) and build our economy around that, because manufacturing will never recover.

Chinese car industry overproduction - alan1302

I'm pretty sure if James Dyson built a car plant, that would be welcome. When he built a vacuum cleaner plant in Wiltshire, people liked him more. That tailed off pretty quickly once he moved production to the far east. You will recall that Ineos were going to make cars in Wales but decided to do so in France instead.

If the UK wants to compete with China in manufacturing we need to reverse about 500 years worth of human rights and environmental progress. Much better to find what we are better at than them (and everyone else) and build our economy around that, because manufacturing will never recover.

You need to specialise more and do what you are good at - somewhere like Switzerland does high end engineering/manufacturing and does well with it as they can charge more for specialist items rath than mass produced ones. As well as large finance/insurance companies.

One of the most important computer processor designers ARM is from the UK - their designs are used in the majority of mobile phones/tablets in the world and are staring to appear in more laptops.

The majority of F1 teams are based in the UK as we have the skills here for the specialist work they need.

And people do like to berate them , but some of the largest and most successful finance companies come from the UK as well as massive pharmaceutical companies like GSK and Astra Zeneca or oil companies like BP or food giants Unilever.

It's common for people to knock the UK but it does do pretty well in the world.

Chinese car industry overproduction - Warning

One of the most important computer processor designers ARM is from the UK - their designs are used in the majority of mobile phones/tablets in the world and are staring to appear in more laptops.

It is now owned by the Japanese - Softbank, who own 90%. It is largely an investor.

Chinese car industry overproduction - alan1302

One of the most important computer processor designers ARM is from the UK - their designs are used in the majority of mobile phones/tablets in the world and are staring to appear in more laptops.

It is now owned by the Japanese - Softbank, who own 90%. It is largely an investor.

Most large companies have shareholders from all round the world (I'm personally more concerned where a company is based and does the work rather than who ultimately owns them) - my main pint was that ARM are a very successful business from the UK

Chinese car industry overproduction - alan1302


Increasingly, we rely on overseas investors to build factories. If James Dyson built a car plant, he would be criticised, but if a foreign company opened a car plant in the UK, they would be welcomed with open arms. It seems perverse that we do not back our own citizens.

What makes you believe that? I can't see him being criticised for that. He seemed to be well liked when they were building their vacuums here, it was only when they moved the production overseas people saw him as not so good.

Also, I'm not so sure it matters who owns the company at the end of the day - if Toyota or Nissan where owned by a UK company would that make a difference to their factories here and the work they provide?

Chinese car industry overproduction - mcb100
A bit of info on the doomed Dyson EV -

www.electrifying.com/blog/knowledge-hub/what-happe...r
Chinese car industry overproduction - badbusdriver

A mate is working in Qatar, he sent me a pic of a chunky looking SUV badged "Jetour". I wasn't familiar with the name so did a quick search and needless to say it was a Chinese brand!. The model was the T2 and Jetour are part of the Chery group, alongside Omada and Jaecoo. There does seem to be influences from various other "off roaders", but i thought it wasn't a bad looking thing at all (certainly much better than some). Alas, there doesn't seem to be any imminent plans to bring them to the UK.

Chinese car industry overproduction - Terry W

Chinese car brands currently launched in UK - BYD, Leapmotor, Omoda, Jaecoo, Ora, Chery, Geely, BYD, Xpemg, MG, Maxus, GWM.

I may hav missed a couple, and some are offshoots of the same holding company.

I do seriously question which will still be trading in 5 years time and the issue for owners of parts availability for those that don't make it.

My guess - 3 will survive the cull to come!

Chinese car industry overproduction - mcb100
Changan are just setting up in the UK and have a dealer network in place.
Chinese car industry overproduction - pd

Chinese car brands currently launched in UK - BYD, Leapmotor, Omoda, Jaecoo, Ora, Chery, Geely, BYD, Xpemg, MG, Maxus, GWM.

I may hav missed a couple, and some are offshoots of the same holding company.

I do seriously question which will still be trading in 5 years time and the issue for owners of parts availability for those that don't make it.

My guess - 3 will survive the cull to come!

BYD, MG and Chery/Omoda/Jaecoo (all the same company) probably will be. They're all big companies.

You have or course forgotten the magnificence that is Skywell. I'd be less sure about them!

Chinese car industry overproduction - Terry W

BYD, MG and Chery/Omoda/Jaecoo (all the same company) probably will be. They're all big companies.

You have or course forgotten the magnificence that is Skywell. I'd be less sure about them!

Do they share common parts or are they largely unique designs.

I'm reminded of BL in the 1970s - Austin, Rover, Morris, Triumph, Van den Plas, Jaguar, Daimler, Triumph - probably + a few more I've forgotten!. Didn't end well!!

Chinese car industry overproduction - pd

BYD, MG and Chery/Omoda/Jaecoo (all the same company) probably will be. They're all big companies.

You have or course forgotten the magnificence that is Skywell. I'd be less sure about them!

Do they share common parts or are they largely unique designs.

I'm reminded of BL in the 1970s - Austin, Rover, Morris, Triumph, Van den Plas, Jaguar, Daimler, Triumph - probably + a few more I've forgotten!. Didn't end well!!

Jaecoo/Omoda/Chery are all one company. BYD is BYD and MG is SAIC Corp.

Chinese car industry overproduction - expat

I suspect that resale values will be disastrous for all those makes.

Chinese car industry overproduction - madf

A UK mass car manufacturing is largely dead , I would imagine the UK Government would be pleased to see cheap Chinese car imports dominate the mass market. Saves a lot in foreign exchange when you have a perennial balance of payments deficit.

Chinese car industry overproduction - movilogo

With so many cars bought on PCP nowadays, resale value is no longer a concern for most buyers.