MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Claire NHS
Hi there, I'm back asking for help. It's decision time. Need a small used petrol automatic with decent amount of poke. Budget £18,000. Looking at 5 door mini cooper (need boot space) and toyota yaris so far. I don't want to sound like I'm screaming up the A40. Any opinions would be appreciated and also is there anything else out there thay I should consider. Thanks. Currently whizzing around in a turbo charged picanto so used to getting out of bother quickly ??
MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - mcb100
I’ve got to ask, why petrol?
Do you have anywhere to charge an EV at home or work? In terms of ‘poke per £’ they’re your best option.
MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Claire NHS

I have nowhere at home or way to charge an electric. Self charge hybrid would be fine though.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Adampr

Not much wrong with a Mini provided you get the newer 1.5 engine. They're good fun and nice inside, but not very practical or comfortable. They can be expensive to repair.

The Yaris is extremely competent and reliable.

I'd suggest you need to test drive both, as they're at opposite ends of a spectrum, and see which you prefer. Either would probably have a lot more grunt than a Picanto.

What's the car for? City driving or motorway, how many miles a year etc? What's important to you? Does it need four seats? Are you transporting kids, pets or 'stuff'? Do you value image, comfort and or performance over reliability or is absolute dependability your main driver?

A Suzuki Swift Sport would be in budget and a good compromise between the fun of a Mini and reliability of a Yaris, but I wonder if there are options other than small hatchbacks.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - mcb100
If they ever did the Swift Sport in auto, it would have been my recommendation. Sadly, it only came in a manual.
MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Adampr
If they ever did the Swift Sport in auto, it would have been my recommendation. Sadly, it only came in a manual.

Oh, missed the auto bit.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Steveieb

The promise of a ten tear warranty would clinch the deal for me .

Which other manufacturer displays the same commitment to their product !

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Adampr

The promise of a ten tear warranty would clinch the deal for me .

Which other manufacturer displays the same commitment to their product !

Suzuki

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Claire NHS

Thank you for your response. I do cart a load of stuff around in the day with alot of getting in and out visiting patients. Only do distance at weekends to visit family when I do battle with the M25. Hitting about 8000 miles a year. I've driven at Mini Cooper automatic 2022 model back from Cornwall and absolutely no problem with powering up those hills. However, felt quite claustrophobic. Like you say I need to hunt out the Yaris to test it out. Love the look of the suzuki swift but yep not available in auto. Only going to automatic as leg getting old ?? ??

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Claire NHS

I lie! Just found suzuki swift mild hybrid 1.2 automatic. Thoughts? Thanks

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - badbusdriver

I lie! Just found suzuki swift mild hybrid 1.2 automatic. Thoughts? Thanks

Nice cars and very efficient, but will fall down on the "poke" requirement. Very different car to the "Sport" version mcb100 refers to.

As for the original question, Yaris all day long.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - daveyjp

Yaris will be great for urban short hops, visits etc and it does have poke. you should do 70%+ of those trips on electric. However even the latest models aren't motorway cruisers.

They are also quite claustrophobic in the back, rear quarter view is none existent.

Boot isn't huge on Yaris or Swift.

For the extra space and longer distance cruising capabilities I'd look at the first gen CHR.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Lee Power

For the extra space and longer distance cruising capabilities I'd look at the first gen CHR.

I'd advise getting an insurance quote first as first gen C-HR has a high theft risk, some insurance companies wont offer cover on them & others load the premium.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Adampr

I'd agree that the Yaris is the sensible option as long as you like it. A Mazda2 Hybrid is the same car with a different badge. Not as much warranty, but cheaper to buy.

If you want a bit more room, look at the Toyota Corolla. That is also available rebadged as a Suzuki Swace. They match the Toyota warranty. If you wanted something a bit posher, the Lexus CT200H is a Toyota in a posh frock.

A Honda Jazz hybrid gives you a very practical car in a small package. The latest Renault Clio is very nice and available as a hybrid ("e-tech"), as is the Captur, which is basically the same thing on stilts. Renault don't offer the same warranty as the Japanese manufacturers though.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Heidfirst

if you can find a Yaris Cross for £18,000 have a look at that as well.

Also, the Lexus CT200h is an Auris in disguise not a Corolla. The current Corolla was a significant improvement on the Auris.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Adampr

if you can find a Yaris Cross for £18,000 have a look at that as well.

Also, the Lexus CT200h is an Auris in disguise not a Corolla. The current Corolla was a significant improvement on the Auris.

For the record m'lud, I never said it was a Corolla.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Heidfirst

& I never said that you did, ;P But a current Corolla is a better car than a CT200h (tbh even the facelift Auris was a better car than the CT200h other than cabin materials).

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - gordonbennet

if you can find a Yaris Cross for £18,000 have a look at that as well.

Also, the Lexus CT200h is an Auris in disguise not a Corolla. The current Corolla was a significant improvement on the Auris.

Thats interesting, apart from the questionable improvement an electric park brake brings what other major differences between Auris/Corolla please.

This a genuine question by the way, depending on what happens in the next few weeks/months for me work wise determines what we do car wise, ideally a plug in hybrid (so more than likely the 2016 on Prius version) to take advantage of our recently installed solar system, but other Toyota only hybrids will be considered too.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Adampr

if you can find a Yaris Cross for £18,000 have a look at that as well.

Also, the Lexus CT200h is an Auris in disguise not a Corolla. The current Corolla was a significant improvement on the Auris.

Thats interesting, apart from the questionable improvement an electric park brake brings what other major differences between Auris/Corolla please.

This a genuine question by the way, depending on what happens in the next few weeks/months for me work wise determines what we do car wise, ideally a plug in hybrid (so more than likely the 2016 on Prius version) to take advantage of our recently installed solar system, but other Toyota only hybrids will be considered too.

They're different cars. The Auris shared a platform with the Lexus CT and the Corolla shares a platform with the Prius, CH-R and Lexus UX.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - gordonbennet

They're different cars. The Auris shared a platform with the Lexus CT and the Corolla shares a platform with the Prius, CH-R and Lexus UX.

Platform makes what difference? Auris estate similar in size to Corolla, presumably they share the same engine albiet updated for Corolla and presumably a smilarly updated hybrid drive.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Heidfirst

if you can find a Yaris Cross for £18,000 have a look at that as well.

Also, the Lexus CT200h is an Auris in disguise not a Corolla. The current Corolla was a significant improvement on the Auris.

Thats interesting, apart from the questionable improvement an electric park brake brings what other major differences between Auris/Corolla please.

The Auris used the New MC platform (dating from 2006), current Corolla uses the later TNGA platform (dating from 2015) - which delivers better handling etc.

The Auris used 3rd generation hybrid system, the current Corolla on release used the 4th generation hybrid & current production (MY23>) uses 5th generation hybrid system.

Auris in the UK had a choice of types of power plant - petrol, petrol turbo & turbo-diesel as well as hybrid. The current Corolla briefly offered the 1.2 petrol turbo in the UK but now is hybrid only.A new model Corolla is expected ~late 2026/2027 - will that introduce a PHEV or a full EV option?

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - gordonbennet

The Auris used the New MC platform (dating from 2006), current Corolla uses the later TNGA platform (dating from 2015) - which delivers better handling etc.

The Auris used 3rd generation hybrid system, the current Corolla on release used the 4th generation hybrid & current production (MY23>) uses 5th generation hybrid system.

Auris in the UK had a choice of types of power plant - petrol, petrol turbo & turbo-diesel as well as hybrid. The current Corolla briefly offered the 1.2 petrol turbo in the UK but now is hybrid only.A new model Corolla is expected ~late 2026/2027 - will that introduce a PHEV or a full EV option?

Much obliged.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - mcb100
‘ This a genuine question by the way, depending on what happens in the next few weeks/months for me work wise determines what we do car wise, ideally a plug in hybrid (so more than likely the 2016 on Prius version) to take advantage of our recently installed solar system, but other Toyota only hybrids will be considered too.’

Given your previously stated objections to ‘fly-by-wire’ brakes, I’d have a look under a Prius bonnet before committing to one.
MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - skidpan

Yaris will be great for urban short hops, visits etc and it does have poke. you should do 70%+ of those trips on electric. However even the latest models aren't motorway cruisers.

They are also quite claustrophobic in the back, rear quarter view is none existent.

Boot isn't huge on Yaris or Swift.

Are you sure you have seen a Yaris. We have, owned one for about 18 months.

Before buying it we satisfied ourselves (as much as you can on a couple of test drives) it met our requirements and we have not been disappointed.

Mostly used on trips up to 40 miles and around town and its perfect, according to the dash and my spreadsheet its averaged about 72 mpg so far. Its been on a couple of trips to the coast as well, about 260 miles in the day with probably 75% on motorways and dual carriageways and the dash has suggested about 78 mpg and based on what I read in the web that surprised me, many said they were r****** out of town. We have found it refined and it rides very well (its the Design on sensible 55 profile tyres). On the North Yorks Moors there is plenty of go for the odd overtake and it has no issue with the hills.

Rear seat space is sufficient for us, mostly its just dog in the back but 2 normal sized people and the dog fit fine. Don't find it claustrophobic at all (the CHR looks like its got that feature to itself).

Boot is more than adequate for a small car. A folding wheelchair and a weeks shopping fits in it just fine. Would expect sufficient luggage for a small family to fit for a weekend away. Ours has a spare under the floor, opt for the can of glue and it releases some space.

OP, suggest you have a drive in one.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - gordonbennet
’ Given your previously stated objections to ‘fly-by-wire’ brakes, I’d have a look under a Prius bonnet before committing to one.

Now that is a concern, is there no physical connection between the main hydraulic brakes and the foot pedal on a plug in (or any other) Toyota hybrid? Is the foot pedal basically a switch/rheostat then similar to a modern throttle pedal?

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - mcb100
To the best of my knowledge there isn’t a pushrod from the brake pedal to a master cylinder.
That said, there are millions of them around doing sterling service around the world so it doesn’t seem to be a problem with them.
MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Xileno

Particularly being a Toyota, there can be a very high level of confidence of getting things right.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - gordonbennet

hmm, thankyou gents, i think, will research further.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Xileno

By sheer coincidence I passed a parked 71 reg Yaris Cross hybrid this afternoon during my walk. I don't know if the Cross is a different Yaris but it looked a decent size to me. I suspect as with most 'small' cars they get a bit bigger with each new release. I concur with the advice to take a test drive, we all have our own opinions on what is cramped, comfy, spacious, refined etc.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - badbusdriver

By sheer coincidence I passed a parked 71 reg Yaris Cross hybrid this afternoon during my walk. I don't know if the Cross is a different Yaris but it looked a decent size to me. I suspect as with most 'small' cars they get a bit bigger with each new release.

The Yaris Cross is appreciably bigger than the Yaris, not far off a foot longer, with more than 100 extra litres of boot volume. It does sit on the same wheelbase though, so not sure just how much extra space for passengers it has over the Yaris.

I concur with the advice to take a test drive, we all have our own opinions on what is cramped, comfy, spacious, refined etc.

Yeah same with with performance and ability at motorway/dual carriageway speeds. I'm constantly amused by comments on the forum re peoples opinion on how much power and performance is necessary to travel comfortably at (or a little above) the legal limit.

Surprised at skidpan's comment about reading the Yaris wasn't any good out on the open road?. With 116bhp, I wouldn't expect that to be the case, but I guess if the comments were from the motoring press I wouldn't be surprised at that as it seems (or seemed at the time I gave up on the motoring press several years ago) that a bare minimum of 200bhp was required to make adequate progress!.When we got our 68bhp(!) Daihatsu Sirion, I read the same thing in the press but found in reality it was quite happy and able to maintain 70-80mph without feeling particularly stretched.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - skidpan

Surprised at skidpan's comment about reading the Yaris wasn't any good out on the open road?

Never said that. What I said was:

Mostly used on trips up to 40 miles and around town and its perfect, according to the dash and my spreadsheet its averaged about 72 mpg so far. Its been on a couple of trips to the coast as well, about 260 miles in the day with probably 75% on motorways and dual carriageways and the dash has suggested about 78 mpg and based on what I read in the web that surprised me, many said they were r****** out of town.

which translated means its very economical in town and even better on the open road despite what others say on the web. For the record we cruise at an indicated 73mph on the speedo where the law and traffic conditions permit on those motorways and dual carriageways, go a bit slower and it would be even better.

and I also said

We have found it refined and it rides very well (its the Design on sensible 55 profile tyres). On the North Yorks Moors there is plenty of go for the odd overtake and it has no issue with the hills

So please tell me where I said it was no good on the open road? Why on earth would I buy a r****** car?

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Xileno

He's referring to you having heard or read that they were r****** out of town, not you coming to that conclusion which you clearly don't having bought one. Just phraseology.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - Lee Power

By sheer coincidence I passed a parked 71 reg Yaris Cross hybrid this afternoon during my walk. I don't know if the Cross is a different Yaris but it looked a decent size to me. I suspect as with most 'small' cars they get a bit bigger with each new release. I concur with the advice to take a test drive, we all have our own opinions on what is cramped, comfy, spacious, refined etc.

We always take the missus Yaris Cross if we do a Costco or IKEA shopping trip as the boot carrying capacity is larger then my C-HR.

The seating position is also higher then my C-HR.

MINI Cooper - Opinions on small used automatic cars. - John F

We are very happy with Mrs F's nippy little 2019 (Mk 1) Peugeot 1.2 puretech EAT6 which we bought new. Plenty of 'poke' from the 130hp version but the 110 is probably more than adequate. Big advantage for regularly hoiking stuff in and out is the low level lipless rear hatch.