Renault Zoe - SLO76
Our firm is increasingly trying to become more sustainable. We’ve bought 4 electric buses, some good, some not so good. We’ve invested in a huge solar array and new heavy duty electricity substation to supply and sell electricity trough but have been met with delay after delay from the firm installing it all - a mistake made by going solely for the lowest bidder? It’s now six months late and still there are no signs of it ever being completed.

The one genuine success so far has come from gradually replacing our fleet of pool cars with used Renault Zoe’s. These have to date been absolutely hassle free. Aside from one fan motor and the usual suspension components expected at the age and mileage, the Zoe’s are proving to be very robust and popular among the drivers.

The oldest is a 2018 40kwh example with circa 93,000 miles up. It’s been roundly abused from day one, yet it still drives without fault. I had it today and it’s still quick, decently nimble and quite comfortable. It’s rust free and has been totally dependable apart from that thermal management fan, which cost about £150 to fix from memory.

The later two 22 plate 50kwh cars are much improved both to drive and sit in, plus the range is usefully better too. No issues with either yet, both have around 30,000 miles up and that’s rising rapidly.

The Zoe may be a bit awkward looking compared to more stylish electric superminis, but they’re reliable, dirt cheap to run, fun to drive and comfortable. They’re ideal as commuters and generally a 50kwh example will cover most people’s motoring needs, as long as you don’t need much rear seat space. They are a bit tight in the back, and that’s pretty much my only complaint after two years of driving around in one.

Anyone looking for a sub £10k electric supermini would be well served by one, in fact anyone looking for a small car who has a driveway on which to charge it up should seriously look at one. It’s a far more relaxing and more dependable car than most modern petrol or diesel equivalents.

Edited by SLO76 on 29/07/2025 at 21:45

Renault Zoe - mcb100
No idea whether it’s the same issue as your substation, but there are currently long delays in getting grid connections - ground was broken in February in a Co-op car park near me, the chargers are now there, installed and good to go but not yet connected.

Have you found the thumb print of the designer of the Zoe, moulded into the rear door handles?
Renault Zoe - SLO76
“Have you found the thumb print of the designer of the Zoe, moulded into the rear door handles?”

Did wonder about that. Good man, a job well done.
Renault Zoe - mcb100
Chap called Laurens Van Den Acker, he’s been at Renault Group for quite a few years now.
Renault Zoe - Lee Power

Anyone interested in looking after or repairing a Zoe or how to terminate a Renault battery lease should have a look at Gary C EV Repairs channel on Youtube, plenty of good videos on there.

Renault Zoe - groaver

I would agree with all of that SLO76.

They aren't good for spirited driving though due to their weight and that makes me still prefer an ICE car (so far) for enjoyment.

Commuting and pottering around, they are a sound buy.

Renault Zoe - SLO76

I would agree with all of that SLO76.

They aren't good for spirited driving though due to their weight and that makes me still prefer an ICE car (so far) for enjoyment.

Commuting and pottering around, they are a sound buy.

They go and grip well, but the weight is very obvious when hustling it along.
Renault Zoe - madf

I would agree with all of that SLO76.

They aren't good for spirited driving though due to their weight and that makes me still prefer an ICE car (so far) for enjoyment.

Commuting and pottering around, they are a sound buy.

They go and grip well, but the weight is very obvious when hustling it along.

Whereas my BMW I3 is great fun to drive : much lighter c1350kg vs Zoe c 1500kg .. the benefit of carbon fibre body shell

Renault Zoe - badbusdriver

I would agree with all of that SLO76.

They aren't good for spirited driving though due to their weight and that makes me still prefer an ICE car (so far) for enjoyment.

Commuting and pottering around, they are a sound buy.

They go and grip well, but the weight is very obvious when hustling it along.

Whereas my BMW I3 is great fun to drive : much lighter c1350kg vs Zoe c 1500kg .. the benefit of carbon fibre body shell

That the Zoe isn't much fun to hustle is as much to do with its suspension being setup for comfort rather than handling, than it is the weight. Yes, it is a bit porky for a car of that size, but the biggest single aspect of that weight (the battery pack) is right at the bottom as low as it can be and slap bang between front and rear wheels, so they couldn't really do any better with it than they have in that respect.

The i3 is a very different car in terms of purpose and execution, aimed at very different buyers. The aim was to make an ultra modern and ultra lightweight EV which drove as well as a BMW was expected to. For its development, financially, there was pretty much free reign (hence the carbon fibre monocoque). So a comparison with the Zoe isn't very fair!.

That said, I have taken a Zoe on a test drive, and while I wasn't pushing very hard over the 10 miles or so, it's road manners felt absolutely fine to me.

Renault Zoe - groaver

BBD, it pushes wide very easily if pressing on in a series of corners.

All that weight cannot really be hidden.

Colin Chapman had it right all those years ago.

There are a lot of armchairs on wheels on the market these days which is fine if that's what you are after.

I just wish we had adopted Japan's approach for these small islands.

Renault Zoe - badbusdriver

BBD, it pushes wide very easily if pressing on in a series of corners.

Define "pressing on"?. As I said, I wasn't pushing that hard when I had my test drive, but nor was I taking it easy. Difficult to find a stretch of road near me which doesn't contain a series of corners and that was the case then, felt fine to me with not a hint of understeer.

All that weight cannot really be hidden.

I'd be willing to bet they could hide that weight much better than you'd expect had that been their aim.

Colin Chapman had it right all those years ago.

Which parts?. Safety unimportant, driver expendable?

There are a lot of armchairs on wheels on the market these days which is fine if that's what you are after.

I just wish we had adopted Japan's approach for these small islands.

Pretty much all Kei cars are auto (CVT) and have suspension optimised for comfort. Also, because most are loaded with the gadgets and gizmos most modern drivers want, they are not as light as you'd expect a car that small to be. The Suzuki Ignis in its pre-facelift form with manual gearbox is lighter than most Kei cars of the time despite being 30cm longer and 20cm wider. It also has at 89bhp rather than 64bhp (the most any standard Kei can have)

Renault Zoe - groaver

At speeds I could take in my Leon.

Chapman: all of it.

Kei cars are lighter, smaller yet space efficient and would suit quite a few UK driver's needs.

Renault Zoe - badbusdriver

Kei cars are lighter, smaller yet space efficient and would suit quite a few UK driver's needs.

I do love Kei cars, and yes they very small, very space efficient, and undoubtedly would suit many UK drivers needs (if not image). But as I said, they aren't that light in relation to their size*, and with the exception of a few outliers like the Cappuccino, and Beat, most of them really aren't "drivers cars", which is what you seem to place a priority on.

*As an example of a typical tall and boxy Kei, the Honda N-Box in its current form weighs between 910 and 1030kg depending on exact model. Our 2020 Suzuki Ignis with the AGS automatic weighed 865kg and the current Swift (as an automatic) weighs 950kg.

Renault Zoe - groaver

I'll clarify one last point as I feel SLO's thread has been hijacked.

I didn't mean to conflate my love of driver's cars with Kei cars.

Yes you are right that many are boxy little wagons. I simply meant that the fascination with big boxy crossovers in UK is bizarre and would be better served with using the maximum internal space in the least amount of external dimensions in this crowded islands.

My Cappuccino is still my favourite car I've owned.

Now..., Zoes. Anyone else think they are a great way into an electric car?

Edited by groaver on 01/08/2025 at 16:49

Renault Zoe - mcb100
‘ Now..., Zoes. Anyone else think they are a great way into an electric car?’

Me.

I think I remember hearing of onboard charger failures leading to big bills, but like most of these things there is probably an official (expensive) repair and an unofficial (lesser priced) one.
Renault Zoe - pd

Zoe's do not have a great reputation amongst the motor trade.

Not sure how deserved it is but Aircon/heat pump issues are one of the things cited but the main worry seems to be motor/bearing failures although I don't know if that just affects certain models.

Renault Zoe - bazza

Having read quite a lot about used EVs lately, just out of interest, the Zoe and the Leaf are both decent used cars. As above the Zoe frequently seems to crop up with charger and main motor bearing failures but there are an ever increasing resource of garages and specialists who can work on these and fix them. Same for the Leaf, which seems the most reliable of all, with plenty of spares available. You can now get a chademo to CCS adapter too, but it is a bit pricey. The other model that seems pretty good used is the VW eUp and clones. The Hyundai Kia range seems a mixed bag in terms of reliability, but this is only what I've recently been reading on owners forums.