Rip-off main road service stations - John F

Has there ever been greater fuel price disparity? According to 'petrolprices.com' this morning, at a nearby town Tesco, a few hundred yards from the busy A14, charges 124.9/l. Less than a mile away BP charges 141.9/l. Assuming the Tesco price is not a loss leader, the BP profit margin is huge!

Rip-off main road service stations - thirts

I think it is the Government that is doing the rip-off - about 75p of that is going to the Government

Rip-off main road service stations - Terry W

I think it is the Government that is doing the rip-off - about 75p of that is going to the Government

Nothing to do with the government - both BP and Tesco pay the same fuel duty. VAT will vary slightly depending on the pump price which is set by the retailer - the price is nothing to do with government.

The reason for the difference is more likely due to Tesco price being an incentive (possibly breakeven not a loss) to get people into the store. Generally folk spend much more on groceries than fuel!!

Rip-off main road service stations - misar

It depends entirely on location.

I checked my postcode on that website and it found 45 sites within 5 miles. Overall price range (unleaded) was 132.7p to 137.9p. Top ten were 132.7p to 134.9p of which four were supermarkets.

Rip-off main road service stations - Andrew-T

It depends entirely on location.

I assume the displayed price must have something to do with tanker delivery ? A station on a well-used location will keep up with fluctuations better than one in a less popular spot. I would guess that most prices stay the same until the next delivery arrives, tho managers may get instruction from 'head office' or may respond to nearby competitors ?

Rip-off main road service stations - galileo

It depends entirely on location.

I assume the displayed price must have something to do with tanker delivery ? A station on a well-used location will keep up with fluctuations better than one in a less popular spot. I would guess that most prices stay the same until the next delivery arrives, tho managers may get instruction from 'head office' or may respond to nearby competitors ?

Local to me, Tesco is about 3p less than Jet and Morrisons, but the Tesco filling station is unmanned, pay at pump, while the others have a staffed shop, obviously costing more.

Rip-off main road service stations - Mike Lyons

It depends entirely on location.

I assume the displayed price must have something to do with tanker delivery ? A station on a well-used location will keep up with fluctuations better than one in a less popular spot. I would guess that most prices stay the same until the next delivery arrives, tho managers may get instruction from 'head office' or may respond to nearby competitors ?

It's rarely true that price is dependent on what the station paid for their last delivery.

1. If the station is owned by one of the big oil companies or a large franchise, then the fuel belongs to the oil company until it's sold and typically each station settles up daily with the oil company using the price set for that day for however many litres have been sold (actual payment might be a few days in arrears). I used to work in the industry and the tank meters would be read at closing time or midnight for stations open 24/7.

2. Even in the cases of smaller stations where fuel is owned by the operator the fuel in the tanks can be from multiple deliveries at various prices - so they need to work out a fair price to make a profit.

Edited by Mike Lyons on 27/05/2025 at 14:56

Rip-off main road service stations - Andrew-T

<< The reason for the difference is more likely due to Tesco price being an incentive (possibly breakeven not a loss) to get people into the store. Generally folk spend much more on groceries than fuel!! >>

Maybe, maybe not. If you fill a 50-litre tank, that may be about £70 for starters. Not that much less than a modest weekly shop !

Rip-off main road service stations - John F

Peeling off the A14 to save 17p a litre for a 50litre fillup - that's a bottle of decent wine....or a couple of bottles of plonk! (minus around 20p for the fuel for the circa half mile detour)

Edited by John F on 27/05/2025 at 13:54

Rip-off main road service stations - skidpan

We buy most of our fuel when shopping at Tesco, E10 for the Yaris and Superb (and as from tomorrow the Corolla), if we need fuel when not shopping its Asda.

For the Caterham it depends where I am going. E5 from Morrisons, Tesco and Coop depending on the direction I am heading.

Over Easter I did not take into account the supermarkets were closed on the Sunday so had to go the closest open station which was a Shell. E5 at Tesco was £1.34/litre, at the Shell it was £1.68/litre.

0.34/litre = £1.55/gallon. What a rip off.

Rip-off main road service stations - Ian_SW

I paid (or more accurately my employer paid) about £1.60 a litre for normal E10 at a motorway services last week!! I only put enough in to complete the journey - normally I avoid buying fuel at motorway services on principle even when someone else is paying but it was late. Despite the McDonalds in the services being mobbed, the petrol station was not surprisingly deserted and the staff seemed quite surprised to have a customer!!

On arriving home, I filled the car right back up at my local BP (fairly average price, not quite as cheap as supermarkets) for nearly 30p a litre less.

It seems an odd business model to price the fuel so high that there are almost no customers in a big filling station, and staff are sitting there bored with very little to do. If there was only a 5-10 pence premium for the convenience rather than 30p, I'm sure fewer people would go out of their way to avoid filling up there and they would make more money.

Rip-off main road service stations - Terry W

I paid (or more accurately my employer paid) about £1.60 a litre for normal E10 at a motorway services last week!!

It seems an odd business model to price the fuel so high that there are almost no customers in a big filling station, and staff are sitting there bored with very little to do. If there was only a 5-10 pence premium for the convenience rather than 30p, I'm sure fewer people would go out of their way to avoid filling up there and they would make more money.

I understand m/way services are obliged to open 24x7 - makes for high overheads.

They have a largely captive audience - if you need fuel you have no real alternatives. Even if one can find an open petrol station off the m/way, it will waste a fair amount of time.

Charging a (say) 25p premium over supermarkets possibly represents 3-5 times the gross profit per litre. Reducing the price by (say) 10p is unlikely to increase volumes by enough to make up the gross profit.

Like most I tend to avoid filling up on m/ways unless unavoidable. As most ICE cars have a range from a full tank of 400++ miles a bit of foresight means a m/way fill up should be a very rare occurrence.

EV owners may have different experience where a range of 150-200 miles may be the norm for more modest EVs and m/way charging likely required more frequently.

Rip-off main road service stations - Bromptonaut

Like most I tend to avoid filling up on m/ways unless unavoidable.

That exactly. Skoda Superb diesel capable of 60+ per gallon with cruise on.

Off to NW Scotland on Friday/Saturday. Will fill up before we leave home and then in Fort William.

In other circs, if the planning has gone titzup, a tenners worth as a 'splash/dash' on the M/way should be enough to get back in the groove.

Rip-off main road service stations - Ethan Edwards

I believe that Motorway Service Areas MSA have to pay a fee to the Government for the privilege of being next to the MWay. Which sort of explains the high prices in MSA.

Rip-off main road service stations - Bromptonaut

Asda used to have a national price for fuel but they've abandoned it now.

Had quite an effect as other supermarkets tended to match.

Here in Northampton where there's no Asda with a filling station fuel as 3-4p/litre more than at Fosse Park in Leicester where there is.

Got quite good at playing fuel light bingo when visiting my mum who leave near Fosse park.

Rip-off main road service stations - Marlin1

Visiting oil refineries for work and I see fuel tankers for various brands pull up, even rival oil companies. What differs is the additives that they add.

Even the supermarkets price fuel to make profit now. They were initially loss-leaders due to the investments in new forecourts and the number of rival garages, but as these rivals have diminished substantially over the last few decades, they are freer to raise their prices to levels where they make decent profits.

I have been filling up with Esso recently as it's nearer than other stations on my out bound journeys. I do use supermarkets when appropriate, but I avoid Asda, as my MPG never seems as high with their fuel.

Rip-off main road service stations - FoxyJukebox
When we’re all driving electric cars-all the petrol stations will be closed anyway won’t they or will they be converted into 50 vehicle charging points with lavish coffee bars serving ludicrously priced capachinos ?
Rip-off main road service stations - Terry W
When we’re all driving electric cars-all the petrol stations will be closed anyway won’t they or will they be converted into 50 vehicle charging points with lavish coffee bars serving ludicrously priced capachinos ?

Interesting thought. Motorway and some other main road petrol stations may morph into fast charger points where speed and convenience counts, and space is already available.

In urban areas I suspect the typical small forecourt with 4-8 pumps will close for good to be replaced by a block of flats.

Most urban charging points will be in locations where there are other ways to part consumers from their cash while they wait for a charge - retail parks, major retailers, shopping malls, possibly gyms, cinema, sporting venues etc.

Rip-off main road service stations - mcb100
Already happening, albeit new builds rather than converted filling stations -

www.gridserve.com/electric-vehicle-charging/electr.../
Rip-off main road service stations - Adampr

A few years ago, a lot of very clever people with lots of money were buying up some of the worst land in the UK - stuff that is next to both a motorway and a substation. They will soon be constructing rapid charging stations on them.

Rip-off main road service stations - mcb100
I’ll stay in the Premier Inn just off the M40 at Banbury maybe a couple of times a year. It’s always been open, waste land to the back of it.
Until about 12 months ago, when 32 InstaVolt rapid chargers were installed.

If I was returning a car to BCA in Manchester, I’d use an InstaVolt in a nearby McDonald’s car park. Again, a brown field site next door. That now has 12 IONITY rapids, about a mile off the M60.
Rip-off main road service stations - Marlin1
I’ll stay in the Premier Inn just off the M40 at Banbury maybe a couple of times a year.

Stayed there a few times and in its previous incarnation as a Holiday Inn Express. It seems very more expensive now that it has changed brands and I can usually find lower cost hotels a few miles away.

Edited by Marlin1 on 28/05/2025 at 17:27

Rip-off main road service stations - skidpan

Had my trousers well and truly pulled down today.

Picked up the new Corolla which had just over a 1/4 of a tank in it. Not knowing the area (NE London/Essex) I decided to go to the services (Birchanger M11) I had stopped at on the way there, about 25 miles away so no range anxiety.

Luckily I did not need a tankful, just enough to cover the 150 mile trip home (turned out to be 168 thanks to the sat nav deciding it knew better than I did - note to self, ignore it in future). The price of the Shell E10 was an eye watering £1.619 a litre.

Put in £20 and had no trouble keeping the smile off my face as I paid.

Car is very nice and seemed to do just over 60 mpg on the mostly motorway trip so very happy with that.

Off to Tesco tomorrow.

Rip-off main road service stations - Orb>>.

I think the last time I used a motorway service station paying with my own money was 1990.

Rip-off main road service stations - gordonbennet

Don't think i've ever paid for my own fuel at an MSA, bunker fuel cards for trucks are usually set price wherever the fuel is bought from.

About the only good thing at MSA are Greggs outlets on Moto sites, where the prices are in line with almost all other Greggs.

Moto BP Toddington used to be as cheap as most other outlets for LPG before the country went permanently mad 5 years ago, the most expensive fuel i've seen has consistently been at Scratchwood (now London Gateway) MSA, sometimes stop there for my break and always marvel at the fuel prices and still getting customers.

Rip-off main road service stations - Terry W

the most expensive fuel i've seen has consistently been at Scratchwood (now London Gateway) MSA, sometimes stop there for my break and always marvel at the fuel prices and still getting customers.

Many tend to get anal about fuel prices when it is relative trivia.

I drive ~12,000 miles pa. Last year my fuel costs were ~£1500. At ~50mpg I used 240 gallons - 1100 litres. Average price per litre 136p. All fairly normal.

If my average fuel cost was an extra 10p per litre through sometimes using m/way services, it would cost an extra £110pa. To be avoided if possible but not something to get obsessive about!

Owning a newish car costing (say) £35k will depreciate by ~£4k pa. PCP on similar would likely cost £350-450 per month - much the same as ownership pa. Insurance, servicing, a new set of tyres etc will all cost more than the extra fuel cost.

Even a Starbucks or Costa once a week will cost more than the additional fuel cost.

That company car owners may be completely unconcerned about higher m/way fuel costs is understandable - "time is money", for private buyers it is a truly trivial issue.

Edited by Terry W on 29/05/2025 at 11:19

Rip-off main road service stations - Andrew-T

<< If my average fuel cost was an extra 10p per litre through sometimes using m/way services, it would cost an extra £110pa. To be avoided if possible but not something to get obsessive about! >>

But still a noticeable amount of money. I always wondered about people who lengthened their journeys just to save 1p or 2p a litre, much of which was negated by the extra distance. And back in the day, others did it to get double Green Shield stamps ....

Rip-off main road service stations - misar

The world moves on. Wonder how long it will be until we see a thread about rip-off charging points? ??

Rip-off main road service stations - Xileno

Maybe not a separate thread but the issue has been raised and could be partly resolved overnight if the Govt. lowered the VAT to consumer levels.

Rip-off main road service stations - Terry W

Maybe not a separate thread but the issue has been raised and could be partly resolved overnight if the Govt. lowered the VAT to consumer levels.

Reducing VAT is a one sided argument - electricity has no fuel duty, petrol is 53p a litre.

I am not suggesting taxes on recharging are changed - there are serious complexities associated with home charging rates - peak, off peak, self generated PV.

AIUI - price paid by business customers per kwh are now close to those paid by domestic consumers (21-25p) - subsidies initiated at the start of Ukraine war now withdrawn

M/way services can charge up to ~80p kwh meaning they are making very substantial gross profits. It may be worth speculating on how much the price of public charging will fall as the number of charging sites increases.

Charging point operators have to incur and recover from usage but may include:

  • upgrades to cables and substations to carry a higher level of power than now
  • increases to generating capacity
  • time period over which their own investment costs need to be recovered
  • etc etc
Rip-off main road service stations - Falkirk Bairn

>>>Charging point operators have to incur and recover from usage but may include:

  • upgrades to cables and substations to carry a higher level of power than now
  • increases to generating capacity
  • time period over which their own investment costs need to be recovered

AND

RIPPING OFF THE PUBLIC

Rip-off main road service stations - Orb>>.

RIPPING OFF ....

Was it ever so ?

In the beginning,

Cars, Televisions, Vcrs, mobile phones and an endless list of consumer goods.

Trouble is everybody expects everything to be done/supplied for peanuts.

Edited by Orb>>. on 30/05/2025 at 07:26

Rip-off main road service stations - RT

RIPPING OFF ....

Was it ever so ?

In the beginning,

Cars, Televisions, Vcrs, mobile phones and an endless list of consumer goods.

Trouble is everybody expects everything to be done/supplied for peanuts.

Too many people don't understand, or choose to ignore, the principles of "supply & demand" and "profit".

If the customer has a choice then it's not a rip-off.

Rip-off main road service stations - John F

If the customer has a choice then it's not a rip-off.

'rip-off......noun, informal ........especially something that is grossly overpriced...' OED. Neither nedd nor mention of choice preclusion.

Rip-off main road service stations - skidpan

If the customer has a choice then it's not a rip-off

I had a choice, that was to search for a filling station in an area that I had never been to before or go to a Motorway Service area that I had been to about 4 hours earlier.

To me at the time the choice was simple, just go to where I had already been once in my life.

But it was a shock seeing E10 at £1.619/litre.

Should add I have no idea what the price is normally in IG8 where I bought the car.

Perhaps £1.619 was not that bad.

Fuel was £1.659 on the M74 last week but was able to avoid that.

Rip-off main road service stations - Ian_SW

If the customer has a choice then it's not a rip-off

I had a choice, that was to search for a filling station in an area that I had never been to before or go to a Motorway Service area that I had been to about 4 hours earlier.

To me at the time the choice was simple, just go to where I had already been once in my life.

But it was a shock seeing E10 at £1.619/litre.

Should add I have no idea what the price is normally in IG8 where I bought the car.

Perhaps £1.619 was not that bad.

Fuel was £1.659 on the M74 last week but was able to avoid that.

I used to live not far down the road from the Toyota dealer in Woodford Green around 20 years ago and there was a real lack of petrol stations around there even back then so not surprising you didn't see one. I doubt many have opened since. There aren't any on or near the route out via the M11 - the only on my way out going north was to drive out via the "Mad Mile" (A104) through Epping Forest instead where there was a normally priced petrol station just before suburbia ends and trees begin.

Rip-off main road service stations - Andrew-T

RIPPING OFF THE PUBLIC

Who else is there to rip off ? :-)

Rip-off main road service stations - Manatee

>>for private buyers it is a truly trivial issue.

Except that if we all vote sensibly with our wallets, we exert a downward pressure on local prices.

I decline to reward overcharging, and I will put myself out to do so. £5 a fill extra is a £5 overcharge to me on an essentially fungible, commodity product.

Just filled the MX-5 with BP E5 at 137.9, this particular station only charges +10p for the E5/97 RON which I like. One of the local Shells charges 30p extra for V-Power

Rip-off main road service stations - Big John

>Picked up the new Corolla which had just over a 1/4 of a tank in it. Not knowing the area (NE

>London/Essex) I decided to go to the services (Birchanger M11) I had

>stopped at on the way there, about 25 miles away so no range anxiety.

The Corolla has a rather large reserve re petrol. It has a 43l tank but you only seem to get in 10 litres less than that even when the fuel gauge shows near 0 miles, Still a great range re miles though due to the economy.

Hope you enjoy the Corolla.

Edited by Big John on 01/06/2025 at 12:45