Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - macbook

Hi All,

I'm looking for small SUV/Crossover with Automatic gearbox under £16 000, mainly city driving, short trips, up to 5000 miles a year. Would like to keep the car as long as possible (like 10 years or so). Requirements in order: 1. comfort, 2. reliability, 3.running cost, 4. car price

Have been already seen and test drive Pegout 2008, Vauxhall Mokka, Mazda CX-30.

The 2008 quiet comfy and agile, don't like the cockpit looks, just very odd for me.

Very like the Mokka looks, both inside and outside, but the driving wasn't pleasant, the seats were hard and driving comfort quiet harsh, also I had feeling to be slightly more squeezed, than in 2008.

The CX-30 very like the design and look both inside and outside. Very big plus having Auto-Hold funcion. During test drive feels more stiff steering, it's not as agile as others, feels more sturdy and bulletproof.

In conclusion, I used to drive a Vauxhall Grandland for a week, and I very like the comfort, agile, but it hasn't got auto-hold with automatic gearbox, and most used models going from £18 000 - £20 000, hence thought Mokka would be cheaper but the comfort is not the same. Also have seen a lot of reviews, that the Pure Tech 1.2 Turbo for Stellantis group car has faults with cam belts, and the engine itself lifespan could be short.

The CX-30 has good reviews for general reliability of engine and gearbox, but have seen reviews here about various electrical faults:

" issue with a safety warning light that displays all to often causing partial safety features to be not working plus car loses power when pulling away ",

"issue with electric wing mirrors ",

"Parking sensors have stopped working. Battery keeps dying & car won’t start. Had more breakdown calls than care to remember"

"periodic symptoms, with cruise controller, safety systems, parking sensors, voice control and in dash screen just not working, tailgate lock and motors noisy, rattling interior, loose break caliper ....."

I was going to choose the CX-30, but I have Mazda 6 in the past, and also had some electrial faults with alarm going off itself ect. I think Mazda weakest points is electrical components.

Not sure now, if the CX-30 still would be the best choice. I was planning to go and see Citroen C4, as supposed to be very comfy car. I didin't seen yet anythiing from VAG group like T-Cross or T-roc, they should have auto-hold as well.

What car would you recommend?

Edited by macbook on 16/04/2024 at 11:31

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - maz64

We've had a 2018 SEAT Arona from new (originally a company car), which we like and think is comfortable despite being in FR trim with the slightly 'sportier' suspension. It's been reliable. So how about something like this:

www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/seat/arona/details/980b2...3

Ours is a 1.5 manual though.

Or the equivalent-ish Skoda, the Kamiq?

www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/skoda/kamiq/details/9029...9

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - macbook
Skoda interior, especially the circle buttons looks like in old cars, but the seat arona looks nice. ??
Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - maz64
Skoda interior, especially the circle buttons looks like in old cars, but the seat arona looks nice. ??

Might be worth trying to see one in the flesh, especially in that trim level - Xcellence Lux is the top one, 2 above our FR. Wasn't suggesting using Cinch BTW although I have (and Cazoo), certainly wouldn't rule them out.

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - Engineer Andy

We've had a 2018 SEAT Arona from new (originally a company car), which we like and think is comfortable despite being in FR trim with the slightly 'sportier' suspension. It's been reliable. So how about something like this:

www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/seat/arona/details/980b2...3

Ours is a 1.5 manual though.

Or the equivalent-ish Skoda, the Kamiq?

www.cinch.co.uk/used-cars/skoda/kamiq/details/9029...9

As we've debated on this forum many times before, the problem with dual clutch 'auto' gearboxes is that they still have a clutch system, which means they still wear like a manual when used in an urban setting, where there are more gear changes and more 'slipping' the clutch when driving in stop-start traffic.

Whilst its true DCTs have generally improved in terms of reliability longevity and maintainability, they still aren't in my view as good on that score as good examples of TC and CVT auto boxes.

Those from KIA/Hyundai appear to have had far less reliability issues than (IMHO) those of VAG (which appear to have improved in recent years on the reliability front) and especially Ford, though they seemed to realise this and have gone back to TC boxes on at least some cars (other can confirm which and whether some still have DCTs or even CVTs).

Their (DCTs) main advantage was always designed to be efficiency on more free-flowing roads where clutch slip is minimal and the advantages of a clutch-based system (in this case a computer-controlled one) will be high, which is why they are used in high performance vehicles and were their early adopter.

The risk of problems and early failure of a DCT is likely reduced where a car is bought brand new (thus removing the possibly heavy wear from previous use) and when used in driving where its less stop-start. Unfortunately neither will apply to the OP, unless they can find a car where they know the owner well and trust them, where that person drove on sympathetic journeys as described.

Perhaps the best advice is possibly to find out whether a car (whatever make/model) has has more than its fair share of (relatively short term and without much use, mileage-wise) owners in its life when being sold, or just a few, preferably one, plus being able to view a full maintenance record and few problems (if any) of note on the MOT record too.

How a car is looked after and how long it is owned to me is often a good indicator of whether it'll be 'trouble' or not to the next owner. That and the physical condition - including how clean and tidy it is inside.

For me, as a long-term Mazda3 owner (same car since 2006), the main issue with them is finding a good, honest dealership (if that's where you want maintain the car rather than a 'general indie') and, in my view, at least for some certain models like the CX-3 and 30 being over-priced as second hand vehicles, compared to the 'stand car' brothers and sisters. Maybe it's because SUVs are in vogue at the moment and command a premium.

Don't necessarily discount buying a standard car, especially in today's high-priced second hand market, as one may meet your needs and for less than an SUV/crossover.

The OP may want to also consider a Mazda CX-3 if it meets their spacial needs, as it uses a very similar engine (the Skyactiv-G 2L), essentially the same TC gearbox (very smooth) and likely has had any problems sorted or its obvious a lemon via the 'lots of previous short term owners' giveaway.

They were on sale new until 2019, so a 5yo car can be had and probably for under the OP's budget (best in SE-L Nav form with 16in tyres for comfort and value for money). Much more tricky for a CX-30 (same tyre criteria for comfort), when sales only started in 2019, so just the early models would be in budget, and likely not many of them either, given the original RRP was about 20-25% more than the CX-3's.

Another related thread to look over:

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=195932

Likely a few others too - use the search facility.

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - daveyjp
Friend has a Mokka 1.4t auto which has been sat at a garage for 4 months waiting for Vauxhall to respond to their findings. Since they have had it they have had 5 more in with similar issues, engines going bang.

Left field suggestion Subaru XV. A jacked up Impreza, only consider a 2.0 engine. Will do mid 30s around town and over 40 on a run. Will be reliable, but running costs may be slightly higher than run of the mill vehicles.
Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - Engineer Andy
Friend has a Mokka 1.4t auto which has been sat at a garage for 4 months waiting for Vauxhall to respond to their findings. Since they have had it they have had 5 more in with similar issues, engines going bang. Left field suggestion Subaru XV. A jacked up Impreza, only consider a 2.0 engine. Will do mid 30s around town and over 40 on a run. Will be reliable, but running costs may be slightly higher than run of the mill vehicles.

I think that's what Jason of 'Engineering Explained' YT podcast fame owned for a number of years, giving a lot of loyal service. Presumably that uses the seemingly reliable CVT, not sure if it's their own or a bought-in / jointly developed one with Toyota / Lexus.

Not the nicest looking car I've ever seen, but perfectly fine, and normally Subaru dealerships appear to be far more customer-orientated than most. I suppose its the extra expense of general maintenance (4WD) that may put some off. I actually quite like them, even if other cars look better on the outside, especially if longer-term reliability offsets higher general maintenance and (possibly) fuel and insurance costs.

Also handy for trips out of town on country roads with the 4WD, rather worthless in cities, except if it is very hilly and traction is a problem in winter ice and snow, if you get it.

I also suspect that second hand examples maybe quite highly priced, and thus the OP might have to look at the previous version of the car and/or higher mileage examples of early current 2L autos to fit under their £16k max price.

They might need some technical assistance in checking out such cars outside of main dealers and reputable specialist indies to avoid buying an abused one, given the complexities of the 4WD system.

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - SLO76
No brainer as far as I’m concerned. If you want a small SUV automatic the Mazda is by far the best option factoring in long term reliability. It uses a robust conventional torque converter transmission paired to a very reliable non-turbocharged chain driven petrol motor that has no real vices. There’s little to worry about. But rust on suspension components will appear very early on. The body itself is well protected but as per the norm with Jap cars they don’t rust proof suspension components beyond a light layer of black paint. Buy a good one and pay someone to treat the underside to protect it. There are plenty of firms offering this service.
Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - badbusdriver

No brainer as far as I’m concerned. If you want a small SUV automatic the Mazda is by far the best option factoring in long term reliability.

Not sure I'd agree with this given the OP states mainly city driving and short trips.

With that in mind, I'd say the obvious choice for a small automatic SUV/Crossover would be the Toyota C-HR hybrid. At least as reliable as the Mazda, probably better rust protection, but much better urban economy.

Budget means mainly the 1.8, but there will be one or two of the more powerful 2.0 versions kicking about, especially if that budget could be stretched by another £k.

For the OP, regarding comfort, make sure you avoid cars of a higher and/or sportier trim level. These will have larger diameter wheels on wider. lower profile tyres which has a detrimental effect on comfort and refinement. This applies to anything you may be looking at including the Toyota I mention above. With some cars, you can only get an auto with a higher trim level, but the benefit of the C-HR hybrid is that there is no manual option. So auto on the lowest spec "Icon" trim (which is what I'd go for with comfort in mind)

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - macbook
But Toyota CHR is a hybrid vehicle, when something go wrong it’s very expensive to repair, only dealers would be able to diagnose and repair faults, what would be this hybrid battery lifecycle, seen somewhere it’s 5 years, replacing would cost probably 5k or so?
Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - daveyjp
Toyota Hybrid is well proven. However to allay fears Toyota will provided an annual warranty at every service until ten years old.

A friend had a CHR but I found it very claustrophobic and rear views were terrible when manoeuvring.
Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - badbusdriver

But Toyota CHR is a hybrid vehicle, when something go wrong it’s very expensive to repair, only dealers would be able to diagnose and repair faults, what would be this hybrid battery lifecycle, seen somewhere it’s 5 years, replacing would cost probably 5k or so?

Suggesting the C-HR was based on the requirements you stated, not sure what else I'm supposed to do?

I can't say whether you will find it comfortable, only you can.

Ignoring that leaves reliability at number 2. Toyota's self charge hybrids, which have been around for 27 years now, are about the most reliable vehicles you will find at any price point. And as said above, the Toyota warranty will run to 10 years if dealer serviced, and the hybrid battery up to 15 years (again, assuming dealer serviced)

Then you have running costs at number 3. So the reliability means running costs in terms of servicing and repairs will be minimal. On top of that, you say mainly city driving and short trips, which is exactly the kind of driving to maximise the efficiency benefits of the self charge hybrid system (driving at motorway/dual carriageway speeds will reap some benefits, but not much)

Then you have price at number 4. Not sure how new a CX-30 you'd get for your £16k budget, but it would get you into a 2021 C-HR assuming up to 40k miles and based on Autotrader prices.

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - macbook
What about Kia XCeed 1.4 petrol auto DCT
? Are these cars have good engine and DCT gearbox? I have seen somewhere that KIA have poor security system and can be easy to steeling? Is Mazda Cx-30 or Toyota CH-R better choice for the same money? All can be purchased under £16k , years 20-22, and millage under 50k.
Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - badbusdriver
What about Kia XCeed 1.4 petrol auto DCT ? Are these cars have good engine and DCT gearbox? I have seen somewhere that KIA have poor security system and can be easy to steeling? Is Mazda Cx-30 or Toyota CH-R better choice for the same money? All can be purchased under £16k , years 20-22, and millage under 50k.

No idea about security, it isn't something that I ever I've much thought to when it comes to cars.

Engine wise, AFAIK they are absolutely fine. As for the gearbox, DCT's can be a little fragile and there are certainly some of this type (particularly Ford's Powershift) that have a poor reputation. They can be reliable and if I was buying new (and was happy with how it drove) I'd be happy enough with a DCT. But they are not as tolerant of abuse or hard use as a good torque converter or CVT.

For that reason, I'd take an automatic CX-30 or C-HR over an automatic XCeed. If manual, I'd maybe be tempted by the extra punch of the XCeed's 1.4 turbo, though I wouldn't expect the ultimate reliability to match the other two.

Another thing to bear in mind is regarding Kia's famous 7 year warranty. On paper, this should be honoured if the car is serviced outwith the dealer network as long as genuine parts are used and service schedule adhered to. But in practise, it offers up scope for Kia to worm their way out of their obligations. So to cover your own back, buy cars with full dealer history only, ideally from a dealer.

But, even then, there can be problems. This is a fairly recent thread from someone who'd bought a Ceed from a Kia dealer:

Kia Ceed - Main dealer and full service history


Edited by badbusdriver on 21/04/2024 at 13:05

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - Adampr

We all (me included) go a bit mad when buying cars and focus on things that don't matter. Why would you want auto hold on an automatic car? You have a go pedal and a stop pedal and simply.move your foot from one to the other. There is no point at all in having another brake in between, it's just an annoyance.

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - 72 dudes

We all (me included) go a bit mad when buying cars and focus on things that don't matter. Why would you want auto hold on an automatic car? You have a go pedal and a stop pedal and simply.move your foot from one to the other. There is no point at all in having another brake in between, it's just an annoyance.

Agreed Adampr, I rarely use auto hold, it's actually quite annoying, especially when trying to manoeuvre.

I'd also echo BBD's recommendation for a Toyota C-HR given the OP's requirements.

I'm surprised at the apparent faults found by CX30 owners and wonder what the source is.

Arguably the CX30 is better looking than the C-HR inside and out, but the OP doesn't list looks as one of his top priorities.

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - movilogo

What about Kia XCeed 1.4 petrol auto DCT ?

I owned a Kia Ceed DCT for 8 years. It was 1.6 L petrol

DCT was fine during 80,000 miles I drove it and then I sold it and based on MOT history it is still being used.

I rarely use auto hold

My current car has auto hold and I use it all the time. The advantage is that I rarely need to touch the EPB. I tried not using auto hold but decided I'd rather use it.

Mazda CX-30 - Anything better than CX-30 in the same price rang? - macbook
Thanks guys for your support. Driving with auto hold is much more convenient / comfortable. Currently driving with old automatic TC and every time I stopping in the traffic, have to keep the foot on the brake pedal, so the foot never gets rest, as it constantly on gas or brake pedal. Have got test drive Cx-30, and once you turn on auto-hold you not bothered to keep your foot on brake pedal to stop car from crawling forward, it’s might seems not important for some, but this can be compared to the function when new cars has put on electronic automatic hand brake when you stop the car with brake pedal which go off once gas pedal is touched, when compare to old technology with manual hand brake stick, you need to put in on/off all the time if you want give your feet a rest. This is a big factor for me and I am willing to choose CX-30.

Edited by macbook on 21/04/2024 at 15:22