Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet

Heard a squeaking from a drive belt yesterday morn, got to work could smell a slight burning rubber smell.

Lifted bonnet, there's the culprit, lock nut securing the aircon belt pulley to its adjuster bracket has vanished and the pulley has been rubbing on the front timing belt cover, shock horror its cut right through and rubbing on the edge of the cambelt itself!

Cut the belt off and managed with the few tools to hand to secure the pulley out the way, then snapped the now more brittle damaged parts of the timing cover off so they didn't find their way in and drove home, phew.

Lucky escape, could easily have fouled the cam belt possibly snapping or causing it to jump teeth through debris, as it is the only extra parts required are new centre section of timing cover (its in three sections) and new tensioner pulley...could have been a lot worse result and i'm glad i looked when i did.

I was contemplating a cambelt change anyway, plus two new auxilliary drive belts so this has just brought things forward, job being done by recommended Subaru specialist early next month, at one time i'd have fixed it myself but not getting any younger and time to leave these involved back breaking leaning inside the bonnet jobs to the experts.

Lesson learned, belts on Subarus have always been quiet in my experience, should have stopped and checked sooner but i put the squealing down to the recent wet weather, won't make that mistake again.

Edited by gordonbennet on 27/08/2020 at 09:15

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - _

I once notice a burning smell after a service many years ago..

The techie had either forgotten to replace the oil filler cap or not fitted it properly. words were had. since then I check what I can after any servicing., and yes, even on the new sportage i still do monthly checks.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - Steveieb

No need for a recovery contract GB .

Saved a long wait!

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet

Glad the Sportage is doing the bis ORB.

Steveieb, haven't needed to use a breakdown service since i can't recall, however sods law dictates the day i don't have cover ....

Just glad i didn't drive home without doing the temporary fix.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - edlithgow

I once notice a burning smell after a service many years ago..

The techie had either forgotten to replace the oil filler cap or not fitted it properly. words were had. since then I check what I can after any servicing., and yes, even on the new sportage i still do monthly checks.

Ditto on a Renault 5, except "the techie" was (and is) me, and I'm not likely to have (and nowadays wouldn't want) a new anything.

Words were had, but I doubt they resulted in any real improvement.

Trust no one.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - corax

The complete opposite to mine GB. Belt was starting to squeal when the aircon was turned on. Tried to release the locknut to tighten the belt but it was very tight (and there isn't much space down there). I had a small spanner of dubious quality and had to look around for something to provide extra leverage and ended up taking off one of the handles off my edging shears and putting that over the top of the spanner. Still no joy, and things were getting a bit silly by then, so I took the car to my local mechanic before I made things worse. It was no problem he said :-)

That plastic aircon idler pulley is usually one of the first to wear out and start whining, but it's cheap to replace.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet

That plastic aircon idler pulley is usually one of the first to wear out and start whining, but it's cheap to replace.

Only had a few cheapo tools i carry in me work bag, tried to undo the 12mm bolts holding the adjuster bracket with me small socket set (which i carry to replace pipe carrier brackets which sometimes snap on my lorry), socket broke, so after removing the coolant overflow tank to make room managed to shift the pully up via leverage whilst screwing the adjuster thread up.

Was worried the bolts holding the bracket to the casting would snap off, but once i got a proper spanner on them today they both came undone with a loud crack, no shortage of decent tools at home thankfully, i wanted to make sure they came undone before work commences.

If only that pulley nut had been on as tight as the bracket bolts..:-) though to be fair this happening gave me a much needed kick up the back side to get the cambelt and ancilliaries changed, i do remove the rhs cambelt cover and inspect the belt regularly whilst rotating the engine by hand and before this happened it was in really excellent condition, i'm sure it would be OK now but not prepared to take the risk.

Week Monday the chap is coming here to do the job, haven't used him before but he comes highly recomended and when i phoned him thismorning he knew exactly what had happened soon as i mentioned aircon belt pulley, mucho confidence he knows his Scoobies.

Hope he knows what he's let himself in for, SWMBO will be trotting out regularly with tea and at some point no doubt bacon and cheese rolls/sandwiches will be served, tradesmen like working at our house for some reason.

If you check the current forum feed on the forum (the one Mr B goes on) you'll find the thread on the legacy/outback forum where you can get details of this chap should you ever need, i'll update this and the Scooby thread when the job is done.

Ordering a better quality small Facom socket set too, a tool that breaks when you need it might as well go straight in the bin.

Edited by gordonbennet on 27/08/2020 at 18:42

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - edlithgow

Ordering a better quality small Facom socket set too, a tool that breaks when you need it might as well go straight in the bin.

Well Yeh.

because its, like, broken.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet

because its, like, broken.

No, i mean might as well bin and replace the rest of the set too, the one time needed for a serious job they failed, can't abide rubbish once its proved to be, well, rubbish.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - paul 1963

Good save GB! if only more people took the trouble to have look under the bonnet occasionally.

I'm another that does weekly checks.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet

Good save GB! if only more people took the trouble to have look under the bonnet occasionally.

I'm another that does weekly checks.

Actually i'm annoyed with myself, its only about 4 weeks ago i pulled the rhs (as you look at it) cambelt cover off and rotated the engine via the crank pulley bolt to check the belt condition all the way round, can see both sides of the belt as it inverts over an idler in that view, but i didn't notice the nut which might have been loosening by that point on the tensioner pulley.

I also check the oil and have a poke nose under the bonnets at least once a week, just didn't see the nut, though in mitigation its possible i suppose the pulley seized for a few seconds in which case the nut could well have been spun off in moments as by my reckoning the pulley runs counter clockwise....if there's room on the thread it'll be putting a second locknut on the new pulley.

Thankfully the damage done by my lack of observation is minimal, i'd have had to fit a new pulley anyway once it had been run off true, so its only the centre cover that's an extra in practice.

Lucky this time, hopefully one of me premium bonds will come up this week :-)

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - Steveieb

Remember the Volvo owner in USA who has covered 3 million ? Miles . Apparently he has recently passed away and his parting shot was to look under the bonnet once a week even though you are not a trained mechanic.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet

Remember the Volvo owner in USA who has covered 3 million ? Miles . Apparently he has recently passed away and his parting shot was to look under the bonnet once a week even though you are not a trained mechanic.

Find myself shaking my head at some of the recent threads re engine failures, cars sometimes covered many thousands of miles since a service and no one thought to even dip the engine oil let alone wonder if the car might benefit from an extra change due to abusive short hop use, feel quite sorry for some of these poor cars which never had a fighting chance and in some cases might be getting reputations they don't really deserve.

One might wonder if white goods type car choices (not a derogatory term just the typical makes and models chosen as runarounds and no interest taken in maintaining) are at a disadvantage compared to more niche offerings, arguably a Subaru buyer, new or used, is likely to more interested in the engineering of the car, hence more likely to keep oil and other levels monitored more than say a high selling hatchback? i have no evidence for this of course just surmising.

Edited by gordonbennet on 28/08/2020 at 10:10

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - paul 1963

Same here, it takes minutes to do and is totally free and could save thousands.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - focussed

To be strictly truthful the 3 million mile Volvo P1800s engine did get rebuilt a couple of times. Over the years, he rebuilt the engine twice. The first time was at 680,000 miles—the dealer said the car didn't need it, but Gordon insisted. "Like they said, there was nothing wrong," Gordon told Wired. "I learned my lesson." The second rebuild, in 2009, came after Gordon had some trouble getting the car up the steep grades of the Rocky Mountains.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a25165860/irv-gordon-million-mile-volvo-p1800-obituary/

Edited by focussed on 28/08/2020 at 10:36

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - Westbury33

"Find myself shaking my head at some of the recent threads re engine failures, cars sometimes covered many thousands of miles since a service and no one thought to even dip the engine oil let alone wonder if the car might benefit from an extra change due to abusive short hop use, feel quite sorry for some of these poor cars which never had a fighting chance and in some cases might be getting reputations they don't really deserve."

Hit the nail 100% on the head there! Spend thousands on a car, or hundreds monthly, and then can't be bothered to spend <2mins under the bonnet on a weekly basis? Crazy.

Weekly check oil, coolant and fuid levels takes no time whatsoever. If you're doing a long journey, check before you set off. Walk round and check the tyres look okay before even getting in the car. How hard can it be??

I've stuck to this routine, even with cars that I've run for 100,000 miles and I know that they dont use oil or water.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - Bromptonaut

Weekly check oil, coolant and fuid levels takes no time whatsoever. If you're doing a long journey, check before you set off. Walk round and check the tyres look okay before even getting in the car. How hard can it be??

I've stuck to this routine, even with cars that I've run for 100,000 miles and I know that they dont use oil or water.

Exactly that. If it starts to lose oil, brake fluid or coolant you'll know before it's critical. Regular coolant checks disclosed the pin hole in my car's oil cooler that was passing oil into the cooling circuit.

It also helps to keep your lugs pinned back for odd noises. Noticed our original (2005) Berlingo making a tick, tick noise varying with speed. A nail in a tyre? Then realised it was related to engine speed rather than road speed. Beyond my skills so off to the garage it went.

Turned out one of the idlers on the cambelt's route had distorted and was forcing the belt outwards causing it to rub on the crank pulley and fraying it. The tick tick was the frayed end contacting the belt cover.....

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - John F

It also helps to keep your lugs pinned back for odd noises.

Indeed. I heard a faint squealing noise, pitch not varying with revs, in our old Passat 2.0GL at around 130,000 miles. It was from a stiff cambelt tensioner pulley telling anyone who cared to listen that it was about to seize. If left, it would have eventually friction-fried the belt. As it was at the top of the engine I was able to easily replace it myself. Fortunately the (original) cambelt was still in good nick, as changing it would have been beyond me. Still going strong when the car was traded in for peanuts at 242,000 miles in 2004.

Well done gb for saving your engine. But do you really need to buy a replacement cambelt cover? I would have resorted to my fibreglass repair kit!

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet
Well done gb for saving your engine. But do you really need to buy a replacement cambelt cover? I would have resorted to my fibreglass repair kit!

Chap says he might have a second hand one kicking about, but he also says they tend to warp a bit over time, a new one won't be stupidly expensive anyway as its only the centre section of a three part cover and i do not want to risk anything possibly coming adrift and fouling that belt, or the auxilliary belts on the outside which run realy close to the cover, i doubt it will cost more than £50 for a new cover section even at Subaru's prices.

The quote for the whole job is very reasonable and the car is in such good overall condition its worth doing properly.

Well done chaps, yourself and Bromp, for saving otherwise seriously expensive failures by keeping an ear out and an eye open.

VW's in particular can have some odd cambelt arrangements, the 2.4 6 cyl Diesel LT van engine, as found in our Volvo 940 estate had two belts, the main belt at least not having a Woodruf key to set the pully in place on the camshaft, but merely held on the taper by friction of the pulley bolt, meaning either you had to be seriously accurate in pre marking the existing belt before removal, or had to find a source of the gold dust locking kit to change the belt yourself, first time i'd ever come across a pulley belt without Woodruf key.

By the way JohnF, re stainless exhausts we discussed earlier and i know you have the company bookmarked for the future, chap on Subaru forum needs a new exhaust on his Outback, its quite large bore single to the centre with one silencer then splits into a twin pipe system with two further silencers one each side at the rear, place we discussed has quoted £445 with £500 worse case if the cat section doesn't survive, chap's delighted as his previous quote was over double the worse case figure.

Edited by gordonbennet on 28/08/2020 at 12:28

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet

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Weekly check oil, coolant and fuid levels takes no time whatsoever. If you're doing a long journey, check before you set off. Walk round and check the tyres look okay before even getting in the car. How hard can it be??

I've stuck to this routine, even with cars that I've run for 100,000 miles and I know that they dont use oil or water.

Almost never see anyone take a brief once around the car, just dive in start up and off they go, the thing could be sat on bricks or the nearside be ripped out by a passing lorry for all the attention they paid.

If the parking area is safe, ie home or my work car park, i start the engine (luckily foot on brake not needed, no clutch pedal anyway) sort me bits and pieces out then take a walk around to check bodywork and tyres, 30 seconds at most and you know alls well.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - bathtub tom

Reminds me of the time I arrived home to hear a rhythmic ticking from under bonnet (MK3 Cortina IIRC). Lifted the lid to see a frayed fan belt flapping around before it parted completely and gave me a hearty slap around the face. Walk to the local garage for a replacement.

Always had a spare on subsequent cars after that, fitted the new one when I had time and kept the old as a spare in the boot.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - gordonbennet

Always had a spare on subsequent cars after that, fitted the new one when I had time and kept the old as a spare in the boot.

Since polyV belts became standard i don't think i've had a single auxilliary belt failure, but yes i shall be poking the about to be replaced alternator/power steering pump belt into a space in the spare wheel well just in case.

Edited by gordonbennet on 28/08/2020 at 15:26

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - Westbury33

Reminds me of the time I arrived home to hear a rhythmic ticking from under bonnet (MK3 Cortina IIRC). Lifted the lid to see a frayed fan belt flapping around before it parted completely and gave me a hearty slap around the face.

That must be why people refuse to look under the bonnet of their motors! Fearful of the mechanical revenge. I can just see John Cleese whacking it with some shrubbery.

Subaru Forester XT - One small bolt, result coulda been much worse - Westbury33

Almost never see anyone take a brief once around the car, just dive in start up and off they go, the thing could be sat on bricks or the nearside be ripped out by a passing lorry for all the attention they paid.

Agreed. Its the right time to spot a partially deflated tyre or something more serious. Rather find out before I set off than have it become apparent on the road.