What engine size is it?

On cold startup (i.e after car has stood overnight)

How long does the red oil pressure light stay on for, before it goes off?

Are you paid to perpetually look for faults wiith Kia/Hyundai products? Just curious.

To be fair, he picks on Honda as well - or at least, Honda diesels, which are (according to him) terrible, with the petrol versions 99% more reliable than the diesels.

Unfortunately, in spite of me asking him to back up that wonderful statistic that he came up with, he published nothing further on that thread.

Maybe this one will be seen and replied to ? Although I doubt it, for some obscure reason.

Odd that, for someone, CK91437, whose first ever comment on this forum stated that they didn't have much technical expertise/experience with cars, they, in my opinion, certainly give out a lot of 'views' as if they were stating cold, hard facts, as opposed to an 'opinion' based his own experiences and perhaps of 'a couple of mates'.

Something fishy going on if you ask me.

Nothing fishy at all. He's a troll and not a very good one.

This technology definitely reduces turbo lifespan. The system in our CRV will quite happily turn the engine off if you stop in a que of traffic immediately after a high speed run if you let it and this is a big no no with turbochargers as anyone with a bit of technical knowledge will understand. It cuts oil and coolant flow to the turbo while it’s glowing red hot and spinning furiously. Most systems are easily bypassed simply by keeping your foot on the clutch or turning the thing off altogether and a wise man would be right to do so. Second to this and I’m sure most people are unaware of it is the huge cost of replacing the uprated starter on a car with such a system. My old gaffers Mk VII Golf GTi needed a starter recently which came to a plainly ludicrous £850 fitted!!!! I’ve bought serviceable cars for much less.

Exactly.

Stop start hasn't reached full sized lorries yet, though Volvo for some years have had a system that shuts the vehicle down after 3 minutes idling, and i fully expect SS to arrive soon.

The new religion is no idling at all, because apparently new vehicles have systems that keep the turbos lubed or cooled, i have a slightly different view, it goes like this.

in my left hand i have a cupful of fuel worth about 50p, or maybe £5 worth of sensible warm up/cool down idling fuel over the course of several months driving

in my right hand i have the several thousands ££ that the two turbos fitted to my present lorry would cost plus whatever else gets taken out in the event of failure, the £hundreds that the recovery would cost, the losses associated with letting the customer down and subsequent downtime of the vehicle, not forgetting the reduced life of the starter and ring gear by starting dozens of times a day instead of a handful

I'll take the invoice in the left hand every time thanks

I've also covered around 3 million miles or more in lorries fitted with turbochargers and my own vehicles too, i have yet to suffer a turbo failure that i can recall, and turbo failure is an increasingly common thing in lorry world.

Stop start i would endeavor to have programmed out of any vehicle i owned.

“Would be interesting to know your views on the stop/start function which some drivers seem to use, and how it affects the longevity of the engine and it various components.” This technology definitely reduces turbo lifespan. The system in our CRV will quite happily turn the engine off if you stop in a que of traffic immediately after a high speed run if you let it and this is a big no no with turbochargers as anyone with a bit of technical knowledge will understand. It cuts oil and coolant flow to the turbo while it’s glowing red hot and spinning furiously. Most systems are easily bypassed simply by keeping your foot on the clutch or turning the thing off altogether and a wise man would be right to do so. Second to this and I’m sure most people are unaware of it is the huge cost of replacing the uprated starter on a car with such a system. My old gaffers Mk VII Golf GTi needed a starter recently which came to a plainly ludicrous £850 fitted!!!! I’ve bought serviceable cars for much less.

I know its getting a bit off topic (sorry), but much of the problems caused by people idling their engines (and possibly prompting the introduction of stop-start systems) tend to happen in two areas: in large urban areas in heavy traffic, in which case, at least for cars, people who do a lot of urban driving (but who don't need to tow/carry heavy loads) should have been buying hybrid-petrol cars and not turbo-diesels; the other main issue is outside school gates with loads of parents hanging around (especially in cold winter or very hot summer conditions) in their cars waiting to pick up little Johnny, despite most of them living within 15-20 mins walk (even with the kids) of home - in that case, walk them to school, and perhaps organise a club for different parents to walk several sets of kids to/from school and/or set up a before-school 'looking after' club so that parents who have to go to work can drop their kids off ealier at say 8 - 8.30am. They could even use the same room after school to meet up so that (waiting for little Johnny) they didn't get cold waiting outside, in case they didn't, say, wear warm clothes (as people used to do). Hardly rocket science.

For everyone else, we just need a decent bit of advice or a dash indicator light when in traffic jams to know when we can switch off our engines (if the jam's not going anywhere soon) when it won't damage turbos etc on the engine. Manufacturers do this nowadays for 'efficient' gear changes and on HGVs for DPF regens, so why not for turbo systems on vehicles?