Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

Anybody know where I can buy a couple of pinch bolts cheaper than Renaults who want almost £9 each? Online search was unsucessful but could have missed someone.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - madf

Is this what you are looking for?

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRONT-COMLINE-BALL-JOINT-FOR-RE...3

Because I have NO IDEA which ball joints you are referring to...

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

Close but I just want the pinch bolt.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - argybargy

For nine quid each I'd probably just go ahead and buy them.

Its dear but not outrageous, and you know you're getting the genuine article.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

It struck me as outrageuos for a nut and bolt. How do they justify that? Last time I bought a pinch bolt was from a Ford dealer, about £4 three years ago.

Edited by pullgees on 09/11/2017 at 18:43

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - RobJP

It struck me as outrageuos for a nut and bolt. How do they justify that? Last time I bought a pinch bolt was from a Ford dealer, about £4 three years ago.

But with the original, you know that it's been designed to take a particular torque and not fail. Unlike some cheapo ebay alternative.

Look at it this way. You're spending time (which is money) searching for a cheaper alternative. Even if the quality is identical, then you've got to balance your time (money) against the tiny potential saving. If the quality isn't as good, then the words 'false economy' come to mind.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

I'm retired, plenty of time no money. I often buy after market I think the risk is small, most car parts stores depend on that category. I should imagine the bushes in the suspension arm are far more likely to fail before a bolt. It's possible that genuine Renault parts are expensive because of the weak Pound.

Edited by pullgees on 09/11/2017 at 19:56

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - Wackyracer

Why not just measure the original bolt and check the markings on the head for it's tensile strength?

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - focussed

Why not just measure the original bolt and check the markings on the head for it's tensile strength?

My thoughts exactly - it looks like a standard heaxagon bolt.

The markings you are looking for are probably either (weaker) 8.8 - 10.9 - or 12.9 ( stronger)

And the nut used should be the same grade as the bolt-important but often forgotten.

Any decent industrial fastener supplier should have them.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

focussed. Well thanks that was interesting, I've never seen those markings. There so happens to an industrial fasterner where I live.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - argybargy

It struck me as outrageuos for a nut and bolt. How do they justify that? Last time I bought a pinch bolt was from a Ford dealer, about £4 three years ago.

I agree with Rob.

Sometimes you get lucky with aftermarket parts, sometimes you buy a crock of sheet.

By the time you've searched online, checked forums for advice, checked online auctions and maybe bought and returned a couple of alternatives because they've been of poor quality, you might as well have bought the originals.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - Metropolis.

I tend to buy OEM for my land rover so you could try adding 'oem' to your search. With LR aftermarket are usually low quality and genuine are overpriced. i'm sure it's the same with many other vehicles, I doubt Renault make the bolts themselves.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - focussed

I used to work for a wholly owned importer - owned by the manufacturer.

Parts pricing was based largely on a basic formula.

Cost to warehouse in the UK x 5 = retail + vat.

Apart from service parts, filters etc which were priced to be more competitive.

Dealers got a discount depending on various schemes - VOR/breakdown orders got less discount - scheduled stock orders got more discount etc.

So in the case of a simple bolt as in the original post.

Bolt makers margin + car maker's margin + importers margin + dealers margin = retail +vat

That's how it ends up at £9.00 for a simple bolt!

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

focussed. You sure know your bolts.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - expat

focussed. You sure know your bolts.

Don't ask about his nuts.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

Found! At a local motor factors £4.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - Andrew-T

Found! At a local motor factors £4.

Even £4 seems quite a lot to me, if it is just a simple standard bolt.

At a Renault dealer I guess that bolt will have a dedicated part number, and the calls for those may be occasional, meaning either that stock is static or it has to be ordered in when needed. On the other hand if it's an 'ordinary' bolt, there may also be a bin of bolts just the same at normal hardware-shop prices ? :-)

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - Wackyracer

Even £4 seems quite a lot to me, if it is just a simple standard bolt.

Agreed, probably 50 pence at a fastener specialists.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

Wackyracer. Would it matter if they were threaded all the way along the shank?

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - Wackyracer

Wackyracer. Would it matter if they were threaded all the way along the shank?

Personally, I wouldn't think so as long as they are the correct diameter, length, tensile strength and fitted and torqued to the Renault specified torque. Others might disagree.....

Being pedantic, if a fastener is threaded all the way to the head it's a Setscrew.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - Gateway88

. Would it matter if they were threaded all the way along the shank?

The main purpose of the shank is to provide more "meat" and consquently greater strength than a fully threaded setscrew. If replacing automotive fasteners, I personally try and match like for like as closely as possible. They're often subjected to very specific forces and stresses. If the orginal has a shank, then this is what the manufacturer will have intended at the design stage.

Edited by Gateway88 on 12/11/2017 at 10:01

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

Gateway 88. Good point. I have on old Fiesta pinch bolt in my bolt tin and it is actually thicker on the unthreaded part.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - Wackyracer

Just remember the old Adage, a chain is only as strong as the weakest link. You can have the thickest shank possible on a bolt and the core size of the threaded portion will still be the weakest part and the part that will fail if the load imposed exceeds the bolts capability.

If the bolt was subject to possible side forces (such as suspension pivot bush bolts) then I'd definately use a plain shank bolt but, pinch bolts are not subject to such forces.

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - pullgees

Andrew T. I found this also,cap bolts 12.9 for just pennies.

www.ebay.co.uk/itm/M10-x-1-25mm-FINE-PITCH-SOCKET-...5

Renault Clio II - Expensive ball joint pinch bolts - oldroverboy.

Bolt makers margin + car maker's margin + importers margin + dealers margin = retail +vat

That's how it ends up at £9.00 for a simple bolt!

I used to work in Switzerland and our pricng for uk sourced parts cost x 10 to cover postage import duty and vat.

 

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