BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - Fahad

www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/bmw/x5/b...3


Note to Mods: APologies if this is in the wrong section, please let me know and I will happily shift.

Selling this for a mate so advertised on here. Never sold a car on PH so not sure what is wrong with the advert / pictures / price?!?

Any guidance would be deeply appreciated. Go easy though please

Many thanks in advance

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - RT

Price - try £18,000

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - daveyjp
Low mileage on a diesel is not actually a good thing to promote.
BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - gordonbennet

If its had annual full services that would put punters minds at ease, if its been over 10k miles between oil changes there's few here who would touch it, FSH doesn't really say anything, we've all been hoodwinked into going to view cars with supposed FSH's that were anything but, so itemise the SH if its good.

Lot of money for a German Diesel with no warranty whatsoever, going to be a hard sell unless considerably cheaper than a dealer offers with proper warranty.

Edited by gordonbennet on 20/10/2017 at 23:59

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - argybargy

Looks a nice car, but if I had that kind of money I'd buy a street of terraced houses in Salford instead.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - RobJP

First, have a PROPER read of the advert, and edit it. Now, I know a lot of the details on an advert are auto-populated, but you still need to use your brain.

As an example : You actually list in the ad, as if it's a bonus over 'normal' spec, ABS brakes, push button start, even, 'electric windows'.

Get rid of all that extraneous nonsense. Make the advert readable, not line after line of irrelevant nonsense. Make it so people looking for one of these can actually see the REAL optional spec on it quickly and easily.

Next, as someone has already said, FULL DETAILS of the service history.

Your price is probably roughly what a BMW dealer would be trying to sell it for. But they're offering proper part-ex, a year of BMW Warranty the car is sold with CRA rights. You, it's sold as seen, and tough luck if the buyer has any problems. Your price needs to reflect that.

Your pictures look too professional. Like they've been taken in a garage - and I don't mean the sort attached to your house. Even down to the footwell papers and 'trader tag' attached to the keys in the centre console, it screams 'trader' and not 'private sale'. Which means you look like a trader, trying to pretend to be a private seller, and trying to avoid your obligations. Which means people are going to avoid you, because there is a reason why you want to avoid your legal obligations.

So. Advert badly written, too long on useless detail, important details buried and hard to find. Service history needs listing properly. Pictures scream 'trader', but claims to be 'private sale'. So that makes people wary. Price is way too steep.

A quick look on WBAC pulls up a value of £17.5k. Private sale, it's worth £19k-ish. So priced at £19.7k, and expecting to get knocked back to £19k or thereabouts.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - SLO76
It's hard hard work selling expensive metal like this privately. Buyers spending big money want the security in law a dealer brings plus they want a warranty and more often than not they need finance. Few punters have £22k lying around the bank.

It's also far far too expensive for a private sale, there's several on Auto trader at similar money from dealers with all the backup that brings. In order to sell it needs to be substantially cheaper in order to offset the risk buying privately brings. Realistically it would need to be below £20k but even then few will risk handing over money like that to a private seller, it's just too much to lose if they miss something and get caught out. If I were the seller I'd either trade it in or sell it to a dealer, he'll get far less for it but there's not a hope in hell he'll get close to what you're asking.

Here's a few others at dealers for comparison sake...

Approved used at a BMW dealer... Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170915931...5

Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170912922...4

Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20170801792...4

Here's a private sale at more realistic money...Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20171015032...9



Edited by SLO76 on 21/10/2017 at 00:55

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - badbusdriver

Way too much (useless) info which no one really cares about. It was more like a very dull short story than an advert. If I was in the market for one of these (awful) cars, I would have skipped on to the next advert before I got half way through this one.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - FiestaOwner

If I was looking to buy this car, I would want to know why the present owner is selling it so quickly. It was for sale in a garage/ trader in West Byfleet approx 2000 miles ago.

It's now for sale privately (in Milton Keynes). What's wrong with this car when the current owner has only had it for 2000 miles!

Link to prievious advert using google cache: webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XMYV...k

Also who is going to spend this sort of money on a car which will have less than 2 months MOT on it, by the time they pick it up.

Agree with the comments made above by: GB, SLO76 & RobJP.

Edited by FiestaOwner on 21/10/2017 at 09:16

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - RobJP

If I was looking to buy this car, I would want to know why the present owner is selling it so quickly. It was for sale in a garage/ trader in West Byfleet approx 2000 miles ago.

It's now for sale privately (in Milton Keynes). What's wrong with this car when the current owner has only had it for 2000 miles!

Link to prievious advert using google cache: webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XMYV...k

Also who is going to spend this sort of money on a car which will have less than 2 months MOT on it, by the time they pick it up.

Agree with the comments made above by: GB, SLO76 & RobJP.

Oh, well found.

Top marks there !

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - FiestaOwner

Oh, well found.

Top marks there !

Thanks Rob.

It's always worth googling the registration number.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - Engineer Andy

Note also (after a quick check for the MOT history) that it failed its first two (of three) MOTs (not a good start), the car's only done 6k miles so far this year, AND the MOT's going to run out in December.

Sounds like (given the current owner is wishing to flog it after only 2k miles and less than one year of ownership) it has some serious issues to me, especially as its a diesel and from a 'prestige' marque. If so, the next owner could be in for a bill costing several £000s to put it right and an MOT fail would mean it couldn't be driven until it gets repaired.

I'd want to see actual details and receipts of ALL the 'FSH' (including any repairs/new parts fitted) and would contact BMW to find out what's been done on it, or if its been 'looked after' by an independent instead at any time, PLUS being able to carry out a full, long test drive and get it checked by a mechanic friend/breakdown firm first. The high price wouldn't exactly help either, given (as others have said) the main dealer-backed network gives greater assurance than a private sale.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - SLO76
Well spotted!

I suspect the pictures the seller is using are the previous dealers (seen sellers doing this before) and he's bought a car that's either faulty or too costly for him either that or he is a dealer trying to offload without his legal obligations, the price is certainly full retail anyway. Be interesting to see the result of an HPI check... if it's a private seller and he's recently bought it then there's 99.9% chance it's financed up to the neck.

Notice the "selling for a mate" too which means V5 will not match address and is a typical calling card of the dodgy trader trying to offload without his legal obligations.

Edited by SLO76 on 21/10/2017 at 11:00

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - Engineer Andy

Somehow I think we won't be hearing from the OP again...

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - gordonbennet

Somehow I think we won't be hearing from the OP again...

Indeed, that quiet bit of spamming has backfired, this was entirely the wrong place to try it.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - FiestaOwner
Well spotted! I suspect the pictures the seller is using are the previous dealers (seen sellers doing this before) and he's bought a car that's either faulty or too costly for him either that or he is a dealer trying to offload without his legal obligations, the price is certainly full retail anyway. Be interesting to see the result of an HPI check... if it's a private seller and he's recently bought it then there's 99.9% chance it's financed up to the neck. Notice the "selling for a mate" too which means V5 will not match address and is a typical calling card of the dodgy trader trying to offload without his legal obligations.

Hi SLO

You're right. From the Buy Your Car advert I worked out who the previous dealer was. The pictures are from the previous dealers advert. All their cars are pictured in the same white walled garage. However I won't name the dealer, as I'm not alleging that they have done anything wrong.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - FiestaOwner

Oh Look, it's for sale on Auto Trader!

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20171014027...1

It has details of its full service history! Serviced annually until September 2015! Not been serviced for the past 2 years!

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - pd

The service history or otherwise won't be putting many people off. The reality is not many people care about the details of service history. Maybe they should, but they don't. As long as it has something vaguely describable as history most will ignore it.

The issue is the price and the fact that private sales are hard in that price bracket.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - Engineer Andy

The service history or otherwise won't be putting many people off. The reality is not many people care about the details of service history. Maybe they should, but they don't. As long as it has something vaguely describable as history most will ignore it.

The issue is the price and the fact that private sales are hard in that price bracket.

More fool them I say.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - pd

The service history or otherwise won't be putting many people off. The reality is not many people care about the details of service history. Maybe they should, but they don't. As long as it has something vaguely describable as history most will ignore it.

The issue is the price and the fact that private sales are hard in that price bracket.

More fool them I say.

Don't confuse the real world with an internet forum. An iPod interface is 10x more important to most buyers than detailed nuances of a service history.

9/10 people don't even look at it once you've told them it has some even if you, quite literally, open it up and shove it in their face.

BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - SLO76
"Don't confuse the real world with an internet forum. An iPod interface is 10x more important to most buyers than detailed nuances of a service history.

9/10 people don't even look at it once you've told them it has some even if you, quite literally, open it up and shove it in their face."


Got to agree. I was always amazed as a young salesman how few punters even asked about service history and even today with our easy access to information I'm still regularly asked for my opinions on cars with little or no record. The colour is more important to most buyers.

I've seen complex cars like this with little or no history. I've seen them with fast fit or backstreet Joe stamps in the book and still punters would buy them.

But the more expensive and complex the more likely buyers will be switched on enough to ask for a fully stamped up service record at an appropriate garage.
BMW X5 - How to sell a car - or not in this case?!? - Engineer Andy
"Don't confuse the real world with an internet forum. An iPod interface is 10x more important to most buyers than detailed nuances of a service history. 9/10 people don't even look at it once you've told them it has some even if you, quite literally, open it up and shove it in their face." Got to agree. I was always amazed as a young salesman how few punters even asked about service history and even today with our easy access to information I'm still regularly asked for my opinions on cars with little or no record. The colour is more important to most buyers. I've seen complex cars like this with little or no history. I've seen them with fast fit or backstreet Joe stamps in the book and still punters would buy them. But the more expensive and complex the more likely buyers will be switched on enough to ask for a fully stamped up service record at an appropriate garage.

I totally agree -my previous comment was essentially saying what you did - too many mugs about not looking further than the badge and performance - probably why, in my view, such brands do very poorly on customer service: if they lose one sale or client, there's a long line of mugs waiting to part with their hard earned...

 

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